1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby xpatiate » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:12 am UTC

Answers! Actual non-cryptic information! And just when I had officially signed up with the Randallversians... (do I still get to keep the t-shirt?)

I think the question of whether This Ends Time is related to the question ttscp was asking a while ago, about whether the OTC is a story or a puzzle. If it's a puzzle, and the point was to figure out where/when it's set and why the sea is rising, then that has now largely been resolved and maybe things will wind down. But if it's a story, this feels very much like somewhere in the middle - the protagonists have set out on their quest, established the problem they need to solve, and encountered helpful others who provide them with more information. Now they actually need to go and fight the battle (pitting a handful of smart but low-tech nerds against a geological phenomenon is a big ask, but could result in a spectacular finale).

Of course, given that this is not a conventional story or a conventional puzzle, or a conventional film or a conventional webcomic, then all bets are off :D

I wish GLR would give Rosetta a white jacket or something ... from this perspective she looks like a millipede on the end of some chopsticks.

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Umm... for your amusement:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aj1om2fbg2enw ... voices.wma

One (and a half?) serious attempt to deliver a line from time and several silly/different voices. Enjoy!


Image Pirate Cueball! It may not be entirely appropriate for the definitive version but maybe we could have an alternative piratical soundtrack?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Fictioneer » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:14 am UTC

As a writer, I've encountered the pattern that by the end of Act 2 in a three-Act structure, that we find our heroes in their lowest point. That seems to be where we are now, story wise. They've encountered obstacles like the raptorcat, but this point, we see their land about to be inundated with a rise in see level, and 40 people in jeopardy, plus we don't know what the hilll people will do. I think we'll have a juicy Act Three ahead of us where all this will have to be dealt with. The stakes have definitely risen to set us up.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Latent22 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:16 am UTC

jovialbard wrote:*Erherm*

Umm... for your amusement:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aj1om2fbg2enw ... voices.wma

One (and a half?) serious attempt to deliver a line from time and several silly/different voices. Enjoy!


Sorry hard to listen to that and not stop laughing! Go Sea captain Cueball!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Quicksilver » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:20 am UTC

Rule110 wrote:Now I lay me down to coma.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby KeonSkyfire » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:22 am UTC

If I'm reading a contour map right, the ocean's going to rise 1000 Cue/1 kiloCue/2 kilometers34

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35: It needed to start at 34 because 1 through [some number] are already standard.

That's a lot of ocean. Poor sandcastle. D:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby 42 guests » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:23 am UTC

Prediction: The displaced hill people will lay siege to the castle.

They will bring a full-sized trebuchet.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:27 am UTC

42 guests wrote:Prediction: The displaced hill people will lay siege to the castle.

They will bring a full-sized trebuchet.


And from the other side of the mountain, up will come Cuegan's people, who will join forces with the beanies to defend their (quickly being encroached by water) castle
Their battle will distract both sides from noticing this fact, and everyone but Cuegan, Rosetta, Beanie 2 and one of the hill people will drown.
Then, 2000 newpix of the ragtag band of orphaned people rebuilding the fortress by the new shoreline
Finally, they'll step back, survey they work, and say "I like our castle!" in 3 different languages.

Thus ends Time.

ETA: Papal decree: Time ends thusly? How, thusly, does Time end? Thus, tell me how thus ends Time.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby a_s_h_e_n » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:30 am UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:
42 guests wrote:Prediction: The displaced hill people will lay siege to the castle.

They will bring a full-sized trebuchet.


And from the other side of the mountain, up will come Cuegan's people, who will join forces with the beanies to defend their (quickly being encroached by water) castle
Their battle will distract both sides from noticing this fact, and everyone but Cuegan, Rosetta, Beanie 2 and one of the hill people will drown.
Then, 2000 newpix of the ragtag band of orphaned people rebuilding the fortress by the new shoreline
Finally, they'll step back, survey they work, and say "I like our castle!" in 3 different languages.

Thus ends Time.

ETA: Papal decree: Time ends thusly? How, thusly, does Time end? Thus, tell me how thus ends Time.


I like it, but with the last few frames showing the water rising once more (obviously even further in the future)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby capnbuckle » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:36 am UTC

b2bomberkrh wrote:
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b2bomberkrh wrote:By the way, add me to the list of people happy with the revelations. Saying they're coming too quickly is ironic given how long it's been to get to this point. This is about as decompressed as story telling can get. This reminds me of the point in many good fantasy/scifi pics where the characters learn much of what they need to know (the Council of Elrond, meeting the oracle in the Matrix, etc.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually really happy with the way things are going in terms of the story. It really feels at last like "waiting for it" has been properly worth it! I'm just sad that it'll possibly change the atmosphere in the thread that I've grown to love.


I'm not as worried about that. Based on what we've seen, I think Randall likes to throw in challenges too much for this not to stay interesting and speculative. Either way, we'll adapt, and I also hope this place will remain a fun place for all. I admit to some sadness thinking about the fact that it will eventually end, though. I prefer to hope Randall has a long story ahead of us.


And what challenges they have been! Astronomy, linguistics, geomorphology.... Who else is already eagerly awaiting the OTC Bluray release, just for all the bonus content!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Arky » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:36 am UTC

b2bomberkrh wrote:By the way, add me to the list of people happy with the revelations. Saying they're coming too quickly is ironic given how long it's been to get to this point. This is about as decompressed as story telling can get. This reminds me of the point in many good fantasy/scifi pics where the characters learn much of what they need to know (the Council of Elrond, meeting the oracle in the Matrix, etc.)


Yes, this is how I see this point too. Not an ending. It's the exposition point. It's meeting Obi-Wan Kenobi and seeing Princess Leia's recorded message. It's the Council of Elrond, etc.

Fictioneer wrote:As a writer, I've encountered the pattern that by the end of Act 2 in a three-Act structure, that we find our heroes in their lowest point. That seems to be where we are now, story wise. They've encountered obstacles like the raptorcat, but this point, we see their land about to be inundated with a rise in see level, and 40 people in jeopardy, plus we don't know what the hilll people will do. I think we'll have a juicy Act Three ahead of us where all this will have to be dealt with. The stakes have definitely risen to set us up.


It could just as easily be end of Act 2 in a five-Act structure. These sort of infodumps are often about a quarter to a third of the way into the story (the Obi-Wan example, the Council of Elrond example and thousands of others come to mind).

b2bomberkrh wrote:Lastly, has anyone mentioned Julian May's books that were set in the past in the Mediterranean basin? Good set of books, and makes me think of this.


I read those like 20 years ago; had completely forgotten, but you're right, the Sage of Pliocene Exiles was not only set there but the re-flooding of the Med was a major plot point.
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Revelations

Postby Davidy » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:40 am UTC

The Medeterranian Sea was formed some 4 million years ago when the Gibralter plug was breached. It is estimated that the Atlantic Ocean waters rushed in at 300 kilometers per hour. Since the breach was relatively shallow, the volume rushing in was not huge and it is estimated that (depending on the source you believe) it took somewhere between 2 and 1000 years to fill to its present volume.

Apparently, at some point between the present and several thousand years from now, Gibralter collapsed, blocking the sea's entrance and following which the sea mostly evaporated.

Now, we're seeing that the plug has again been breached and the sea is returning.


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Re: Revelations

Postby Arky » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:46 am UTC

Davidy wrote:I have found an example of the true appearance of the Beanies, and an audible of what their language really sounds like:


I was kind of expecting that to be a clip of a Charlie Brown special, with adults "talking".
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:53 am UTC

By the way, if there isn't already a term for doing a ketchup starting with the most recent post and working backwards, I guess it could be a puhctek. That looks really strange, though, so maybe it should be a mayo, since we have ketchup and mustard already. Or am I the only who ketchups in this way anyway? I thought about mayoing all the way back to the beginning, but it was a daunting task, and without the joy of future posting, checkpoints, and the joy of new discoveries in the OTC, I just couldn't manage it.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:55 am UTC

Arky wrote:I read those like 20 years ago; had completely forgotten, but you're right, the Sage of Pliocene Exiles was not only set there but the re-flooding of the Med was a major plot point.


Actually, I think it was just the original flooding, but yes, it was a major plot development and the culmination of several storylines. I don't recall there being much in the way of baobabs, though.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:01 am UTC

jovialbard wrote:*Erherm*

Umm... for your amusement:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aj1om2fbg2enw ... voices.wma

One (and a half?) serious attempt to deliver a line from time and several silly/different voices. Enjoy!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby gga2 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:13 am UTC

Did anyone notice the eyes? In the center of the windows there are two oval spots that are just a shade off. They started small and grew on frame 2906. :shock:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:16 am UTC

gga2 wrote:Did anyone notice the eyes? In the center of the windows there are two oval spots that are just a shade off. They started small and grew on frame 2906. :shock:

I don't see it... someone get enhancing!
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42 guests wrote:Prediction: The displaced hill people will lay siege to the castle.

They will bring a full-sized trebuchet.


And from the other side of the mountain, up will come Cuegan's people, who will join forces with the beanies to defend their (quickly being encroached by water) castle
Their battle will distract both sides from noticing this fact, and everyone but Cuegan, Rosetta, Beanie 2 and one of the hill people will drown.
Then, 2000 newpix of the ragtag band of orphaned people rebuilding the fortress by the new shoreline
Finally, they'll step back, survey they work, and say "I like our castle!" in 3 different languages.

Thus ends Time.

That... would actually make a wonderful ending to Time! I hope LaPetite survives too though...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:19 am UTC

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Western Mediterranean. They are currently in the Pyrenees or southern France.


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Postby BlitzGirl » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:26 am UTC

Randammit, why are all of the Hairdo ex Machina answers coming when I am stuck Outside? :cry: Had a great bachelorette party yesterdip and have relocated to a house with no internets. Just did a 27-page blitz on my phone - I have some specific responses but will have to wait until I have wifi again to post them. I miss you xuys - Wait well!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby 42 guests » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:27 am UTC

gga2 wrote:Did anyone notice the eyes? In the center of the windows there are two oval spots that are just a shade off. They started small and grew on frame 2906. :shock:


Yes, #fbfbfb surrounded by #fafafa. Interesting.

Edit: Clearly it is a lurking guest. That or the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Chinchokmataa » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:29 am UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:
42 guests wrote:Prediction: The displaced hill people will lay siege to the castle.

They will bring a full-sized trebuchet.


And from the other side of the mountain, up will come Cuegan's people, who will join forces with the beanies to defend their (quickly being encroached by water) castle
Their battle will distract both sides from noticing this fact, and everyone but Cuegan, Rosetta, Beanie 2 and one of the hill people will drown.
Then, 2000 newpix of the ragtag band of orphaned people rebuilding the fortress by the new shoreline
Finally, they'll step back, survey they work, and say "I like our castle!" in 3 different languages.

Thus ends Time.

ETA: Papal decree: Time ends thusly? How, thusly, does Time end? Thus, tell me how thus ends Time.


"Thus ends Time" declares LaPetite to the enthralled and now dissipointed children that surround her.

"Its over! Already!" complains one child.
"That was the bestest story evers! It can't stop there!" whines another.
"Tell it again!" shouts another child, and all the children nod vigourously in agreement.
"Okay" sighs LaPetite in with only feigned exasperation.
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Zuys! So I just did this:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:59 am UTC

Chinchokmataa wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:
42 guests wrote:Prediction: The displaced hill people will lay siege to the castle.

They will bring a full-sized trebuchet.


And from the other side of the mountain, up will come Cuegan's people, who will join forces with the beanies to defend their (quickly being encroached by water) castle
Their battle will distract both sides from noticing this fact, and everyone but Cuegan, Rosetta, Beanie 2 and one of the hill people will drown.
Then, 2000 newpix of the ragtag band of orphaned people rebuilding the fortress by the new shoreline
Finally, they'll step back, survey they work, and say "I like our castle!" in 3 different languages.

Thus ends Time.

ETA: Papal decree: Time ends thusly? How, thusly, does Time end? Thus, tell me how thus ends Time.


"Thus ends Time" declares LaPetite to the enthralled and now dissipointed children that surround her.

"Its over! Already!" complains one child.
"That was the bestest story evers! It can't stop there!" whines another.
"Tell it again!" shouts another child, and all the children nod vigourously in agreement.
"Okay" sighs LaPetite in with only feigned exasperation.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby nerdsniped » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:01 am UTC

42 guests wrote:
gga2 wrote:Did anyone notice the eyes? In the center of the windows there are two oval spots that are just a shade off. They started small and grew on frame 2906. :shock:


Yes, #fbfbfb surrounded by #fafafa. Interesting.

Edit: Clearly it is a lurking guest. That or the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man... thus ends time.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:03 am UTC

Is this how you do this? I've made a humONGous error if not.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:09 am UTC

I just thought of something interesting. In order for them to know what the final shoreline was expected to be, they have to know something about the size of the Atlantic. They would have to at least know it was big enough to not have a significant drop in level while filling up the Mediterranean. Rosetta knows a LOT about the world.

ETA: And I wonder who she means when she says "our" belief, since she dismissed the other Beanies saying that they don't know anything.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby irino » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:12 am UTC

b2bomberkrh wrote:Is this how you do this? I've made a humONGous error if not.
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You've done well, b2bomberkrh.

ETA: Papal decree: Cue, Meg, and Rose zip line down to the rapidly advancing shore to warn the hill people of their impending doom. Rose uses her Squarese and accidentally insults them, resulting in a heated chase scene with light cycles. Black Hat teleports them back to the present, showing them what the waterline is now. The ending scene is of Meg pointing out Antares to Cue, thinking that the new star is weird.
Thus ends time.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Pfhorrest » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:14 am UTC

b2bomberkrh wrote:And I wonder who she means when she says "our" belief, since she dismissed the other Beanies saying that they don't know anything.

She said they "understand nothing", immediately after talking about learning Cuegan's language. (I notice I'm beginning to adopt your language here, eek the OTT is infectious). I think she dismissed them because they'd just be standing there scratching their heads while Cuegan and Hairdo spoke in a non-Beanish language.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:22 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
b2bomberkrh wrote:And I wonder who she means when she says "our" belief, since she dismissed the other Beanies saying that they don't know anything.

She said they "understand nothing", immediately after talking about learning Cuegan's language. (I notice I'm beginning to adopt your language here, eek the OTT is infectious). I think she dismissed them because they'd just be standing there scratching their heads while Cuegan and Hairdo spoke in a non-Beanish language.


Ah, that makes sense. Ok, then, the Beanies know a LOT about the world.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby shurikt » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:27 am UTC

I just went back in time to tell myself that I would read most of the words in a 1200 page forum thread about a webcomic.

I thought it was hilarious then, too.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Arky » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:28 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
b2bomberkrh wrote:And I wonder who she means when she says "our" belief, since she dismissed the other Beanies saying that they don't know anything.

She said they "understand nothing", immediately after talking about learning Cuegan's language. (I notice I'm beginning to adopt your language here, eek the OTT is infectious). I think she dismissed them because they'd just be standing there scratching their heads while Cuegan and Hairdo spoke in a non-Beanish language.


Yeah. It's clear in hindsight that the Beanies were doing topological survey work to firm up the shoreline projections that Rosetta has been showing Our Heroes (given what a close-run thing it is going to be for the Chateau D'If, one can hardly blame them for wanting to be centimetre perfect on this!). They certainly understand what is going on- no wonder they quickly understood Cueball's rising sea drawing and figured that Cueball and Megan had to be taken to see the boss- it's just the language they don't understand.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:31 am UTC

Arky wrote:
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b2bomberkrh wrote:And I wonder who she means when she says "our" belief, since she dismissed the other Beanies saying that they don't know anything.

She said they "understand nothing", immediately after talking about learning Cuegan's language. (I notice I'm beginning to adopt your language here, eek the OTT is infectious). I think she dismissed them because they'd just be standing there scratching their heads while Cuegan and Hairdo spoke in a non-Beanish language.


Yeah. It's clear in hindsight that the Beanies were doing topological survey work to firm up the shoreline projections that Rosetta has been showing Our Heroes (given what a close-run thing it is going to be for the Chateau D'If, one can hardly blame them for wanting to be centimetre perfect on this!). They certainly understand what is going on- no wonder they quickly understood Cueball's rising sea drawing and figured that Cueball and Megan had to be taken to see the boss- it's just the language they don't understand.


If that's the case, then there's probably several such beanie survey teams around the rapidly growing sea, who may be reporting back shortly.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby xpatiate » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:38 am UTC

Aren't they basing the shoreline projections on the current shoreline, rather than recalculating it? It's a pretty close match, even with my GIMPy manip skills...

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edited to say: current to *us* that is, i.e. based on old maps

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby a_s_h_e_n » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:54 am UTC

xpatiate wrote:Aren't they basing the shoreline projections on the current shoreline, rather than recalculating it? It's a pretty close match, even with my GIMPy manip skills...

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edited to say: current to *us* that is, i.e. based on old maps

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Well they would probably want to be sure. It's possible the water could be at a different level that it was previously, so I guess they know the size of the Atlantic and are working from there.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby a_s_h_e_n » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:57 am UTC

a_s_h_e_n wrote:
xpatiate wrote:Aren't they basing the shoreline projections on the current shoreline, rather than recalculating it? It's a pretty close match, even with my GIMPy manip skills...

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edited to say: current to *us* that is, i.e. based on old maps

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Well they would probably want to be sure. It's possible the water could be at a different level that it was previously, so I guess they know the size of the Atlantic and are working from there.


edit: and after being Outside for a few hours and ketchuping for a bit, I take back any misgivings I had about Time or its end
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Postby azule » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:58 am UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:Careful about your assumptions concerning language. The rising-end interrogatory, for example, in English is anything but universal. If you try something like that in Chinese, you can come up with an entirely different word/meaning. The rising/falling tone of the voice is critical in those languages. I'm sure there are tons of other examples in various languages. The word chi, for example has many meanings depending on its precise pronunciation.

Critical except in music. I don't have a link, but because music does not care about your language rules (not even in English), where you add emphasis and whatnot, even Chinese gets the rising/falling rule lifted when sung. I conclude that in a thousand years Chinese will no longer find it critical to have those modulations. :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:59 am UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:ETA: Papal decree: Time ends thusly? How, thusly, does Time end? Thus, tell me how thus ends Time.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Flotter » Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:00 am UTC

OMR, such revelations during my coma!

Papal decree: Time will only end when too many people in the OTT have lost interest, in other words: not for a while.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Flotter » Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:00 am UTC

More speakING:
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