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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby CasCat » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:08 pm UTC

Lawsome wrote:
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I GOT AN ONG I GOT AN ONG

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edit: I MISSED AN ONG I MISSED AN ONG


Awwww, I'm sorry, Lawsome. You look so disappointed.... :cry:

Tell you what; you can have the next one! :mrgreen:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Lawsome » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:10 pm UTC

CasCat wrote:
Lawsome wrote:
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I GOT AN ONG I GOT AN ONG

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edit: I MISSED AN ONG I MISSED AN ONG


Awwww, I'm sorry, Lawsome. You look so disappointed.... :cry:

Tell you what; you can have the next one! :mrgreen:

No thank you, it's funner with the rush to post. :P

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby xpatiate » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:11 pm UTC

Rosetta's black translation clouds are quite fitting for the delivery of horrible news :(

charlie_grumbles wrote:If anything seriously disrupts our current state of technology and sets us back to (say) about 1700, there will likely be no possibility of recovering. We have just used up or dispersed too many of the world's resources.


Totally agree, Professor Grumbles, and it's equally true of energy as materials - a point well made in the excellent blog Do The Math.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ashaman » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:11 pm UTC

There's two different issues to think about for the rate of filling: the rate at which the water rises vertically, and the rate at which the shoreline shifts horizontally. If the terrain is steep, you can get more vertical movement than horizontal, and the other way for flat terrain.

And when measuring the rate at which people have to move to escape the rising waters, it's the horizontal movement that counts, since they appear to be limited by walking speed.

charlie_grumbles wrote:If anything seriously disrupts our current state of technology and sets us back to (say) about 1700, there will likely be no possibility of recovering. We have just used up or dispersed too many of the world's resources.


Very true. For example, all the 'easy' oil is essentially gone. We can only keep finding new oil fields now by exploring deep ocean sites, or by using very high-tech methods like slant drilling, fraking, and extracting from porous rocks. And without easy oil, it's hard to build past the early industrial age into higher-tech high-density energy sources.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby CasCat » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:11 pm UTC

Gedeon wrote:
CasCat wrote:When we discovered the sea was #### (seeping?) under the bank we tried to shore it up.

We failed.

We tried to remove everybody from the basin but we did not know of your tribe (group)

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Whoops....


the sea was joining (flowing) :wink:


I dunno; looks like an initial "s" on the main text, which is why I went with "seeping". I agree (flowing) is the crosstext for whatever that word is, and (berm) is the crosstext for "bank".
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:13 pm UTC

:o Alles gaat fout aan zee!

Wow, it looks like my speculation was right about their sea being very salty:
Angelastic wrote:Apparently, they think river water is better than sea water for drinking, but worse than sea water for swimming. This lends weight1 to the idea that it's the Dead Sea; they're used to the water being so salty that they can float in it easily, and they've heard that river water does not have this property, so they know it's more difficult (dangerous, even) to swim in, and they're not sure whether it's even possible to swim in.

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I guess that means the words for teacher, student and scientist are the same in Beanish? Interesting, it says a lot about their culture if they don't make a distinction between them.

I don't think it's uncommon for teacher and learner to be similar; isn't that what ucim means? Also in Māori, kaiako means learner, and teacher is technically kaiwhakaako (more literally cause-to-learn-er) but it's usually shortened to kaiako.

Zorin_75 wrote:And the pretty neat one should be the Rhone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhone
Alriiiight! I live by a pretty neat river! (And just recently I was listening to a podcast from the radio saying that it's dangerous to swim in.)

Charm Quark wrote:If that is indeed the Chateau d'if, a Cue is much more riverish than we thought, something like 3-4 feet as opposed to 5-6 by my calculations. This makes sense with the size of the furniture I mentioned earlier (perhaps there's a race of seaish people somewhere?), and perhaps it also changes our understanding of the meowlpy attack, among other things. Could someone else do these measurements independently to see if we reach the same conclusion?

charlie_grumbles wrote:On Living Near the Bottom of an Evaporated Mediterranean:
This article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messinian_Salinity_Crisis suggests that the temperature at Cugan's original home might be 80C or 176F (40C below sea level temp). They would have to be pretty tough to survive it.

It does make sense that if they've been living in those hot temperatures, they may have evolved to become smaller to dissipate the heat better.

I predict that we will see the hill people and Hairpatia Rosetta will speak to them. Also, I like the idea that LaPetite saved the Cueganites. I wonder if there are other people the Beanies do know about (and rescued) who speak Cueganese.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:14 pm UTC

Lawsome wrote:When we discovered (?) the sea was rising (?) under the bank we tried to shore it up

We FAILED (?)

We TRIED (?) to remove everybody from the [something]

But we (?) did not KNOW of your group


There is a faded vertical "flowing" at the end of the first line.

When we discovered the sea was flowing under the bank?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gedeon » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:14 pm UTC

Ashaman wrote:There's two different issues to think about for the rate of filling: the rate at which the water rises vertically, and the rate at which the shoreline shifts horizontally. If the terrain is steep, you can get more vertical movement than horizontal, and the other way for flat terrain.

And when measuring the rate at which people have to move to escape the rising waters, it's the horizontal movement that counts, since they appear to be limited by walking speed.


But generally speaking, the more horizontal the terrain, the slower the water rises. But terrain is complex and sea levels across all terrain, so it's difficult to predict... sometimes it will rise more quickly...

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Zorin_75 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:15 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:That's not entirely true. The Netherlands recycles almost anything

I've always been suspicious that a lot also ends up as kroketjes... Tasty, though...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gedeon » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:16 pm UTC

CasCat wrote:
Gedeon wrote:I dunno; looks like an initial "s" on the main text, which is why I went with "seeping". I agree (flowing) is the crosstext for whatever that word is, and (berm) is the crosstext for "bank".


It looks like a solid J (written with upper horizontal line) to me, and she has used the word "joining" before.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby k.bookbinder » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:19 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby charlie_grumbles » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:21 pm UTC

VioletSkies wrote:I've been following this comic (and thus this thread) since the beginning of Time... and I must say, the new turn of events have me saddened and amazined at the depth and breadth of this comic.

Yes, I agree, but looked at from another point is it is all very simple. We've speculated in the past about what GLR was up to. Is he making it up as it goes along? Is he responding to the OTT? Did he have it all mapped out at the beginning?

I think, now, that it is all an elaborate What If scenario. What would it be like to live through the refilling of the Med basin? From that all else flows. He decided to set it in the future. He hasn't told drawn-out stories in the past, but knows that the slow reveal is superior storytelling. How to show the future date without saying it? Ah, the long night. How to show the beginning? Ah, the minor tremor and the slowly rising sea? How to set the stage? Ah, swimming in the overly salty water? How to explore it? Ah the journey of discovery. How to explain it to the readers without killing the story? Ah, meet a different tribe with whom you must communicate non-obvious things (to themselves).

But still a lot we don't know. Can the 40 be saved? And LaPetite?

Note that the flashback to the bucket in the ocean already told us that the 40 have gone. Perished or moved? We don't know yet. We didn't even know about the 40 until it was necessary to say it within the story itself. Brilliant work. Hurrah.

In the latest newpic we just learned why the shed and grapevine was abandoned, I think. Maybe the markings on the baobabs were a warning to flee.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ugmhemhe » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:22 pm UTC

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when we discovered the sea was young
under the bank we tried to shore it up

we failed

we tried to retrieve everybody from the basin
but we did not know of your group
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Qalyar » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:26 pm UTC

Cueballia wouldn't be as hot at the Wikipedia article suggests for the "bottom" of a dry Mediterranean basin. The math for that temperature prediction is based on adiabatic heating -- temperatures rise as elevation decreases. But the OTC doesn't take place in a completely dry basin; Cueball's sea fills the Balearic Abyssal Plain, which includes (by a large margin!) the deepest reaches of the western Mediterranean. Weather conditions in summer along the shore would be oppressive by our standards, but probably not the lethal temperatures that would be found at the bottom of that sea were it to evaporate.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:30 pm UTC

three things:
1:I read "WheN WE DiscovERED ThE SEA WaS XXXING[FLOWinG] UnDER THE BANK[bERM] WE TRiED TO SHORE IT UP. WE fAILED. WE TrieD TO REmOVE EVERyboDY FROM the BASIn. BUT we DiD NOT KNoW of YOUR triBe [GroUP]."
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Zorin_75 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:33 pm UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:[Brilliant work. Hurrah.

Well, a good story is never complicated at the heart of it...
Setting aside the novelty of telling it at a rather riverish data rate, to me it's the very neat attention to detail* that makes this so interesting. And I think it took a lot of planning ahead, I don't think he's making it up as he goes...

*Any Neal Stephenson fans here? All this reminds me a bit of Anathem... And when you're through, if you look back at the beginning of the story you can't help but wonder how the mustard it ended up there...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby adnapemit » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:33 pm UTC

I don't think the forty are in anyway harmed. We saw the rate of the water rising while they were building the sand castle, the people there probably had a day or two to evacuate. We also know that they can swim( or at least some can because Cuegan know how to). The biggest problem that they would face is the loss of their land and homes. They might also run into some unfriendly people(like those in the hills) when they try to find somewhere to stay. If they had farms that get flooded then they will also have trouble finding food. Of course if there might be no problem at all if they are somewhat nomadic, hunt/ gather food and have large expanses of land that they can move to after their current location is flooded.

This also leads to the question of if they have already evacuated how will Cuegan find their family and friends?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Rule110 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:34 pm UTC

I think I called this one:

Rule110 wrote:
xpatiate wrote:
Rule110 wrote:Then there's the really important difference, which puts us in the realm of completely alternative world (whether far-future or entirely arbitrary Randallverse) and not just anachronism: the physical and cultural position Hypatia is apparently occupying. <snip> An academic state of some sort? Time may tell.


I for one definitely appreciate your philosophy on naming. Not that her hair isn't distinctive, but it's far from the only remarkable thing about her. I'm curious though why her physical/cultural position signifies a completely alternative world?


Well,
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her physical position is within a grand and yet well-protected room, past an even larger "great hall" of some sort, within a castle. Such rooms are scaled to house the daytime activities of the apparatus of a city or a larger state: a throne, functionaries, guards, courtiers and so forth. Our subject, though, instead uses this space as her private office. Being able to do so demonstrates a position of high authority and/or respect; a regional governor, queen, or high priestess, perhaps; and yet her solitude is uncharacteristic of such a position. A high priestess might spend time in seclusion if the practices of the religion so demand, and a potentate might do so out of personal preference (think Howard Hughes), but the three Beanies were obviously permitted to just walk in. Such accessible solitude would be more fitting someone working on an important but largely solitary task, such as an academic. I could perhaps make a comparison to Hogwarts, if the entire dining hall were instead used solely as the entryway to Dumbledore's office; but even that's fictional to begin with.

That's what suggested an unusual social order here that's not much like anything we know from history.<snip>


By the way, I think "learners" is a perfectly good descriptor for scientists; no need to alter it into "teachers" even though that would also apply.

Oh, and speaking of accidental prophecy:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby VioletSkies » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:38 pm UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:Note that the flashback to the bucket in the ocean already told us that the 40 have gone. Perished or moved? We don't know yet. We didn't even know about the 40 until it was necessary to say it within the story itself. Brilliant work.

I'm definitely on the hook with finding out how this pans out. I'm worried about The Forty. I'm curious about Beanish. Heck, know I want to know more about the sea rising!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Arky » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:40 pm UTC

I feel that despite this momentary darkness in the OTC, the 40 will have seen the rising sea in time to embark on a journey away from the sea and we shall sea La Petite again.

I mean, we saw the sea rising while Cueball and Megan were building the sandcastle. It wasn't rising with such speed that the 40 couldn't leave, unless by the time they left they were caught on an island- however, from the journey we know that it really should have been up hill all the way.

I'm sure the hill people will have come into it somehow, though (unlike Cueball and Megan, the rest of the 40 probably had to evacuate straight towards high ground through the hills instead of heading along the shore.

There may be more adventures in store for Cueball and Megan before they can be reunited with their tribe, though.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:41 pm UTC

Just.... wow.

The mapping, knowing where we are.. even Château d'If info is just too much to handle in one mini-blitz. One regular ketchup full of a WHOLE LOT of information. And to finally reach the present again when we find out Cuegan's family (and LaPetite?) are probably already under water. Hopefully they started walking away from the sea as well.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SPACKlick » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:46 pm UTC

First attempt at a bohemian rhapsody version of the story so far, happier with the end than the beginning.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby charlie_grumbles » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:47 pm UTC

adnapemit wrote:I don't think the forty are in anyway harmed. We saw the rate of the water rising while they were building the sand castle, the people there probably had a day or two to evacuate. We also know that they can swim( or at least some can because Cuegan know how to). The biggest problem that they would face is the loss of their land and homes. They might also run into some unfriendly people(like those in the hills) when they try to find somewhere to stay. If they had farms that get flooded then they will also have trouble finding food. Of course if there might be no problem at all if they are somewhat nomadic, hunt/ gather food and have large expanses of land that they can move to after their current location is flooded.

This also leads to the question of if they have already evacuated how will Cuegan find their family and friends?


It's not so easy, actually. Can you swim 100 miles? Some people can. How about with children? You can probably walk 200 miles in 10 days if you are well supplied, so distance isn't the limiting factor, but supplies may be. Their world seemed pretty barren and we have seen little vegetation. They aren't a day or two from safety if walking, but at least a week. The water's rise will be slow at first but (probably rapidly) increasing. We saw that earlier. But what if you climb up a hill and suddenly find yourself on a rapidly shrinking island? If you have the tech you can avoid such things and go straightaway to the wine country (yum), but we have no indication they have other than local knowledge. If they have camels for travel, all the better, but again, no evidence.

BTW, living in tents made me think of the Bedouin. They are nomadic and disliked by many of the people whose lands they move through. Maybe Cugan are from a nomadic tribe. If the Med basin has been drying out for 1000 years it is probably largely salt pan. Not much possibility of farms. The Med sea is already saltier than the Atlantic from evaporation. (On the other hand, the Baltic isn't very salty due to huge inflows from glacier melt. The Mediterranean has little inflow other than at Gibraltar. So evaporation makes it salty.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby xpatiate » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:53 pm UTC

I also wonder if there are additional hazards from what Rosetta says about the sea flowing "under the bank". Does that imply that, not only will the sea level be rising fast, but land near the sea may be becoming unstable?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby gga2 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:55 pm UTC

Here's an attempt to attach an image, showing the eyes. There have been two versions - it starts with a smaller faded version, than got larger and stayed there. I've highlighted them using Paint to be much more visible here (obviously). Glare from the other windows? Did the sun just come up? Seems minor, but then why add it if there wasn't some meaning?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:56 pm UTC

xpatiate wrote:I also wonder if there are additional hazards from what Rosetta says about the sea flowing "under the bank". Does that imply that, not only will the sea level be rising fast, but land near the sea may be becoming unstable?

"The bank" may simply be the rock barrier in the strait of Gibraltar. That barrier was clearly unstable, or it wouldn't have collapsed.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Random832 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:58 pm UTC

I made a diagram showing the height of the sea level rise so far, assuming 2617-2619 were on the same camera as the final view of the sand castle.

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This demonstrates a height of 2.75 Cues. Given the amount of time that has likely passed given how far we now know they have traveled, what rate does this imply? (and given the shape of the sea bed in this area, how far does it mean the shore line has likely moved?)

xpatiate wrote:I also wonder if there are additional hazards from what Rosetta says about the sea flowing "under the bank". Does that imply that, not only will the sea level be rising fast, but land near the sea may be becoming unstable?


I think this means water from the Atlantic was flowing under the dam across the strait of Gibraltar.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:00 pm UTC

ONG
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SinusPi » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:02 pm UTC

higgs-boson wrote:In case of G.R.R.Martin: For good measure, kill of some off the heroes, too.
Edit: I remember Matt Ruff doing this, too - I actually liked Ed. There may be a trope. Anyone care for some research? ;-)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Zorin_75 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:03 pm UTC

gga2 wrote:Here's an attempt to attach an image, showing the eyes. There have been two versions - it starts with a smaller faded version, than got larger and stayed there. I've highlighted them using Paint to be much more visible here (obviously). Glare from the other windows? Did the sun just come up? Seems minor, but then why add it if there wasn't some meaning?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Arky » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:05 pm UTC

edo wrote:ONG
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And here is where all we yaysayers get told why we are wrong and the 40 are drowned (or at least why Rosetta thinks that is the case, not knowing about La Petite's Ark).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Rule110 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:06 pm UTC

The slow rise we saw on-screen (even up until the floating bucket cut-away, assuming that's the original sand castle site with the same camera position) would be easy to escape. I think Hypatia's about to tell them that the inundation is going to accelerate as the flow cuts a larger and larger channel.

Won't anyone think of the molpies?

The squirpy, the little prickly, the baby chirp (will it learn to fly in time?), the SNAKE!! that forgot to have a head and a tail, even the snarl-meowlpy?

We need an ark. Or a land-based capture-and-rescue operation, which would be more efficient, though still pretty difficult.

(Sure, rescuing LaPetite, and the other 37, is more important... but the molpies are featured characters! We thought they were just Time-filler and clues about the environment, but I now consider them all Chekov's Molpies and leaving them to their fates off-camera would be unsatisfactory.) :cry: :wink:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:10 pm UTC

adnapemit wrote:I don't think the forty are in anyway harmed. We saw the rate of the water rising while they were building the sand castle, the people there probably had a day or two to evacuate. We also know that they can swim( or at least some can because Cuegan know how to).

Firstly, they may not have realised that the top of their hill was not a high enough point to vacate to (so they could have found themselves on a rapidly shrinking island, as charlie_grumbles said) and secondly, we know that they can swim in very dense, salty water, but we don't know how well they can swim in the much fresher water that they are now faced with.

Someone was asking if salt had been suggested as a building material. Well, salt flats were suggested, and dismissed. Oh, how naive we were back then, and how right those suggesting absurd non-sand alternatives may have been.

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pelrigg wrote:I'd like to join in with the salt flat concept. Since no-one has mentioned the Bonneville Salt Flats west Of Salt Lake City, (Let's see if I can get a wiki pic posted):

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when driving from SLC to Nev., you go over various hills and valleys, then then up and down a small rise; suddenly 15 (or so) miles of dead straight, dead flat highway.


Salt flats makes no geological sense here. You need a very dry climate with no drainage outlet nearby as salt flats are formed when water cannot escape and thus just evaporates leaving evaporates behind, most notably, salt. Why this would happen close to the sea while following a major river makes no sense. Also, Basin and Range topography makes little sense, which is what you're describing in Nevada.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Lawsome » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:11 pm UTC

I like to think that this is all a contrived metaphor, and that the reason the basin is flooding is because the water level everywhere is rising, and will continue to rise until all is flooded. Because metaphor.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby hdhale » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:12 pm UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:Some thoughts while reading several pages this morning

The current situation with Cugan is that the Med has been evaporating for about 1000 years. There is no technology at their home site, so we can surmise there is no technology anywhere. The population of the world is likely small (less/no farming tech) and dispersed. Tribal rather than city based.


Except that we know that the residences of our past/future/parallel Earth cultivate vineyards, have a knowledge of how to build everything from simple single family dwellings to the castle in the story, are able to construct trebuchets, are able to construct dams (though a dam that can hold back the Atlantic is beyond their ability...), and thus probably have a level of civilization at least approaching that of the Greeks or Romans. Much safer bet is that the civilizations in and around this region have been disrupted by the knowledge of the coming flood and if we went further away from the flood zone, we'd find more agriculture, villages, and what would pass for cities.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby CasCat » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:12 pm UTC

The only good thing is that, assuming that "NO!" means "immanent catastrophic sea rise!", Megan and Cueball presumably told The Forty that the sea was rising, and even if they did not, we absolutely know that La Petite saw it. (Which is good, because people don't normally go down to the sea this time of year, so it would have been easy for no one to have known until it was too late.)

So if the sea started rising faster, at least The Forty had SOME warning. And could perhaps flee in time. At least the young and healthy ones.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Rule110 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:13 pm UTC

Here are the "eyes" made visible by extreme adjustment of the levels.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mikro2nd » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:13 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:Nobody makes steel without old iron in it.

and
there may be materials enough to supply humans for the next megayear.

Nobody make steel without a hell of a lot of energy. We've burned most of the easy/cheap stuff.
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