Baobabs! This needle-pulled thing is raptorcattish – just like in the old dips!
balthasar_s wrote:We're in Germany so I'll say "Ich bin aufgemolpt".
As I explained on IRC, „aufmolpen“ (the verb „aufgemolpt“ is the past participle of) is ambiguous because the preposition „auf“ is seaishly ambiguous, even more than „über“
. The counterparts of „aufmolpen“ can be
- „abmolpen“ – with „ab-“ meaning “down” as a direction
- „[he]runtermolpen“ – with „herunter-“ (coll.: „runter-“) meaning “down” more explicitly
- „zumolpen“ – with „auf-“ meaning “open” and „zu-” meaning „close” (which is in turn ambiguous, since the counterpart of „zu-“ can also mean “towards” someone)
- „niedermolpen“ – with „nieder-“ meaning “down” again, either as a physical direction but also as in “to put someone down” (this can also apply to „herunter-“.)
- „Ich bin gerade aufgemolpt.“ – “I just molpied up.”
- „Ich habe das Marmeladenglas aufgemolpt.“ – “I molpied that jam jar open.”
- „Ich habe meinen organisierten Sand auf 16 GB RAM aufgemolpt.“ – “I upmolpied my organised sand to 16 GB RAM.”
- „Er versuchte, mich herunterzumolpen, aber ich blieb gelassen.“ – “He tried to molpy me down, but I kept cool.”
- „Ich komme. Ich molpe nur noch meinen organisierten Sand herunter.“ – “I'm coming. I'll just molpy down my organised sand.”
In other words: „aufmolpen“ can mean just anything.
That's why it must
be our canonical term.
svenman wrote:ETA 2: However, I wish to take exception to one of your remarks. Maybe it is a side of my personality that I haven't displayed while talking to you, but I assure you that I can be silly too. At least I felt quite silly (and willingly so) when joining the dance to "Molpy molpy grapevine"!
It's good to know that I'm not the only one who wasn't sure whether he was too silly or not silly enough.
pelrigg wrote:The neat treeish part of posting the videos and IRC logs (and
Sustainabilizer mrob27's paper) will be will be the After-Con with the After-participants and their After-when questions and comments.
FTFY.Regarding log files and the recorded video/audio streams:
Just publishing the raw data isn't the molpiest solution. Apart from privacy issues it'll be a nightmare to find the beginning of what you're interested in, to synchronise the streams, etc. Also, we should separate the speeches from the non-official parts. Does anymolpy here have experience with such things?
mrob27 wrote:Edit to add NOTE: I believe perhaps persons were all asked if it was okay to be seen on-camera before the cameras were turned on. Such a practice is common in these situations. Those who do not, can sit out-of-frame and the camera is not panned during the presentation.
For the record: That's what we did.
(Hopefully it came through clearly enough.)
This is a serious question, and could easily be the crux of a sustainable online community presentation too.
It's a version of the "you don't know who is coming into the room next" issue that crops up in every sustainable group.
Exactly. Both privacy and the ability to Blitz are important ingredients of a sustainable community. And they are contradicting each other.
Maybe a fine-grid privacy filter is part of the solution? Just imagine that we could attach a “private or public” flag to each single word of a contribution which also persists when it gets quoted. Then the owner of each word can decide who may view it. This means that some
information would be hidden from the Blitzers and would eventually get lost in the past, but most
of the information would be blitzable.
This breaks down as soon as the bigger part of added information is private, at which point the community would be doomed to fade away with its members.
A serious question, indeed, which motivates further investigation.
ucim wrote:What I fear more is the systematic mechanical profiling of people that linked computers are doing, because these same linked computers use this information to shape the world I'm permitted to interact in, to the benefit of their masters rather than me. Facebook, twitter, google, klout, and every credit card in existence have made a start; it will only continue. But I suspect these videos and chat logs are not low hanging fruit.
M&M's (Tincel's? Celtin's?) HappyHydro
project aims at providing these structures, but under the control of their users rather than a central company.
svenman wrote:I only have the request that for personal reasons my outside last name should please not appear in text form in the OTT or other OTT-related publicly available documents (exception granted for the eventually to appear conference proceedings, if mere visitors who did not hold a talk are even noted there at all).
Yes, I'm planning to publish conference proceedings, even als Open Content
. Would you like
to be mentioned there, or do you mean that you just wouldn't mind
pelrigg wrote:But, I do like the idea that posting links here would give the right balance of OTT-public vs. OTT-private. (even if videos go up on YouTube; both yappo and balthasar_s have posted vids that are labeled as private. Which, I guess means, they don't show up under regular indexing there.)
From the privacy POV, this counts as “publicly available”. Noone prevents you to build a separate index (like the OTW), and of course the data grabbers will find it. In some sense it even reduces
privacy since that way you tell Google that you have a privacy issue with these data. (That's why I didn't opt out from Google Street View, although I really felt the desire to do so.)
Valarya wrote:Hah!! It's a small world. Did you guys end up finishing the discussion in your native language?
He had to get to the station as soon as possible.
pellrigg wrote:So did you end up re-giving the directions in polish? Or at least have a laugh about it (in polish, of course)?
no, directions were already given. yes, laugh.
So he did it the economist's way?
On behalf of the 7 OTTers in a bar, Eternal Density wrote:In thread, photos are fine but identification/captioning (even by username) is not. Do not refer to a specific OTTer in relation to a photo.
While some names were revealed during the conference stream, again, do not repeat these in the thread
I second H
this and I wish the 7 OTTers in a bar all the best and a safe return home. Thanks for coming. I enjoyed your presence.
Sustainabilizer, now really molpying downH
: heretic word used for clarity
As an exception to the above, I herewith approve the photos of mine which have already been posted here in connection with my name. They are molpish.
If you want to post more of them, just ask. I'll probably give permission again.
In any case, further investigation of this subject is needed.
pelrigg wrote:Might we "Wait For It" and let the participants get back home and let them have Time weigh in? Besides, this might have been something they've discussed in person and have some info we don't know yet.
Yes, this is going to be a reasonably long discussion (a few wips I suspect) so we'll be Waiting-for-it. Whatever we come up with, the answer is relevant to Sustainability as @ucim
points out. I personally think it would be great to do a whole paper on the points @ucim
I'll note another useful idea, that I have been reminded of in this discussion as well as a few others that came up in recent days: there are different Time-scales of "sustainability" and they sometimes pull against each other.
So I have three Time-scales and three different tasks:
- 5-yip Time-scale: ongoing molpification of bots to meet new needs
- 35-yip Time-scale: keeping my data in long-established formats like .TXT
- 250-yip Time-scale: publishing my creations in as simple and accessible a format as possible, and posthumous willful acts.
All this must go into our further investigations
(I also still have my first organised sand, an Apple ][ (//e, to be precise). I didn't switch it on for many yips. Will it still RUN?)
(These dips, my students are working with afterchirpyriverish low-cost microcontrollers which are just a little more raptorcattish than my Apple ][. If you want to learn up-to-date <computery stuff> and breath the air of the 1980s in our present, get an Arduino
. It's a treeish platform for getting into <computery stuff>. And it's sustainable.)
If you can create a bot that can tie together ED, EDD, punsawED, coderED, codeRED, rEDalert, ededed, EDdead, EDinside, EDoutside, middleED, dancED, EDnext, EDback, kickED, EDagain, EDysfunct, InfernalDancity, InternalDentistry, EmergentDonkey, DanceEmergency, NinjaED, ElectroDizzy, EmphaticDitzy, EnigmaticDolly, EnergeticDoily, ElasticDrudgery, justED, EDontheotherside, EDinsideout, E__E__D__D____D, DensternalEntity, EternalDysfunct, EDnotcompensating, warmEDfuzzy, EternalDistractions, EDit, bED and batman (following the kicked off and jumped back on paths) and call it "pretty easy" then I shall buy a hat for the specific purpose of doffing it in your general direction.
Sustainable wishes to all OTTers on their raftcastles.
May the flood take you safe to your islands.
Welcome the otherwowtrees.
Don't fear the frame that comes after that.
This is not T** **d.
It's The Beginning!
ETA: BicyclesAfterTime: bftf-0673