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Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:31 am UTC
by XonqNopp
higgs-boson wrote:Hum. By the way. This four vertical strokes don't have to be poles, after all.
In fact, there's reason (however small) to contest this assumption: We saw in frame 466 that the horizontally mounted parts do have a significant z dimension (let's call them "boards"). Which would not be a construction as stable as expected (at least, from Megan).

Er... The best way to put your coordinate frame is to put z along the vertical dimension... Thus I think you mean that they may have a significant y dimension...

However, I rather think they arepoles, since we saw her bring something that might be concrete to help the pole stand vertical (newpix 432 and 443)...

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:31 am UTC
by RobIrr
SBN wrote:Edit: Do we need to change our acronym? Lurked, Posted, Waited. Am I Insane? Still Paradoxically Patient.


Hmm. Indeed, as I have a previous version in my sig.

It crossed my mind that signatures could be considered a form of time travel; at least in the view of those such as Blitzgirl and Vytron (who already touched upon this) and those others still on the quest to catch up on the thread. They get fascinating glimpses of the future as-it-is-to-them when they read our old posts but see the new sigs...

We could even send them messages... crumbs...

"Beware The Poles" !

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:46 am UTC
by KarMann
RobIrr wrote:
SBN wrote:Edit: Do we need to change our acronym? Lurked, Posted, Waited. Am I Insane? Still Paradoxically Patient.

Hmm. Indeed, as I have a previous version in my sig.

It crossed my mind that signatures could be considered a form of time travel; at least in the view of those such as Blitzgirl and Vytron (who already touched upon this) and those others still on the quest to catch up on the thread. They get fascinating glimpses of the future as-it-is-to-them when they read our old posts but see the new sigs...

We could even send them messages... crumbs...

"Beware The Poles" !

"Bad Wolf"?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:49 am UTC
by kryton
RobIrr wrote:
SBN wrote:Edit: Do we need to change our acronym? Lurked, Posted, Waited. Am I Insane? Still Paradoxically Patient.


Hmm. Indeed, as I have a previous version in my sig.

It crossed my mind that signatures could be considered a form of time travel; at least in the view of those such as Blitzgirl and Vytron (who already touched upon this) and those others still on the quest to catch up on the thread. They get fascinating glimpses of the future as-it-is-to-them when they read our old posts but see the new sigs...

We could even send them messages... crumbs...

"Beware The Poles" !


Neat idea.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:49 am UTC
by flicky1991
PinkShinyRose wrote:But Megans was definitely a dialogue, while Cueballs was a monologue.

You seem to be under the common misconception that a dialogue requires two people. "Dialogue" is any speech at all, no matter how many people are involved.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:58 am UTC
by Angelastic
Mr Moriaty wrote:Further adding weight to the hypothesis that Cueball is an idiot.

Further adding weight to the hypothesis that it's semen. Or sea-men, since they called it the sea. Maybe it's the kind of sea that results when it's raining men.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:58 am UTC
by Grimgar
flicky1991 wrote:
PinkShinyRose wrote:But Megans was definitely a dialogue, while Cueballs was a monologue.

You seem to be under the common misconception that a dialogue requires two people. "Dialogue" is any speech at all, no matter how many people are involved.

Dialogue is a (...) conversational exchange between two or more ("dia" means through or across) people.

Emphasis added. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogue

Edit: I'm a ninja!

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:59 am UTC
by mscha
flicky1991 wrote:
PinkShinyRose wrote:But Megans was definitely a dialogue, while Cueballs was a monologue.

You seem to be under the common misconception that a dialogue requires two people. "Dialogue" is any speech at all, no matter how many people are involved.

At least two, though. (See definition.) Therefore, a monologue is not a dialogue.

Edit: Ninja'd.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:02 pm UTC
by macraw83
RobIrr wrote:
SBN wrote:Edit: Do we need to change our acronym? Lurked, Posted, Waited. Am I Insane? Still Paradoxically Patient.


Hmm. Indeed, as I have a previous version in my sig.

It crossed my mind that signatures could be considered a form of time travel; at least in the view of those such as Blitzgirl and Vytron (who already touched upon this) and those others still on the quest to catch up on the thread. They get fascinating glimpses of the future as-it-is-to-them when they read our old posts but see the new sigs...

We could even send them messages... crumbs...

"Beware The Poles" !

Hmm... What if we added one of their time capsule messages to our sigs? Would that technically be them looking into their own future, or their past?

And on that note, what if we quoted them on something they might eventually say? They might have to say it eventually just to fulfill the prophecy (assuming that's what it even is).
KarMann wrote:
macraw83 wrote:
KarMann wrote:
macraw83 wrote:
higgs-boson wrote:
mscha wrote:Looks like Cueball is trying to understand what the sea is doing...
Of course, the sea won't do anything while he's watching, but as soon as he turns his back, the level will rise.

Newpix: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time/94547a ... af4d0d.png

First appear of non-dialogue text, aye? Anyway - Looks like we are not at salty waters.
Or at least at brackish waters. The .. ehr.. rich taste of the oceans is not to be consumed lightely. Even Cueball should know.

You're forgetting the part where Megan got some in her mouth and was coughing and hacking, I don't know what number it was.

Frame 175. Questionable whether that counts as "not-dialogue", since it was still orally-produced sound, just non-verbal. "Pffthh *cough*", to be precise.

The "sip" sound was made by the mouth :P


Don't mind me, I am currently very coma deprived...

What's your name again? That's with an 'r'? OK, got it.
(adds macraw83 to the list for the Inquisition)

Whatever did I do wrong?

Please don't bring out the comfy chair, anything but that...

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:03 pm UTC
by SBN
Image

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:04 pm UTC
by higgs-boson
flicky1991 wrote:
PinkShinyRose wrote:But Megans was definitely a dialogue, while Cueballs was a monologue.

You seem to be under the common misconception that a dialogue requires two people. "Dialogue" is any speech at all, no matter how many people are involved.


It is as common a misconception as common it could be, even the wikipedia adds to it.

If you use the word "dialogue" for communication and the meaning of your message is received correctly, there is no misconception.
The term "running amok" changed its meaning in the last decade. Its meaning is now as right or wrong as 10 years ago - you may transport your thought to other people and as long as this is going to work, all will be fine.

Personally, I dislike the change of meanings. Books tend to become a problem for younger readers, as the thoughts the author had had at the time of writing are now ill-represented. But asynchronous communication is not under discussion. Yet.

(Double Ninja'd. Shinobi everywhere!)

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:12 pm UTC
by SBN
higgs-boson wrote:
flicky1991 wrote:
PinkShinyRose wrote:But Megans was definitely a dialogue, while Cueballs was a monologue.

You seem to be under the common misconception that a dialogue requires two people. "Dialogue" is any speech at all, no matter how many people are involved.


It is as common a misconception as common it could be, even the wikipedia adds to it.

If you use the word "dialogue" for communication and the meaning of your message is received correctly, there is no misconception.
The term "running amok" changed its meaning in the last decade. Its meaning is now as right or wrong as 10 years ago - you may transport your thought to other people and as long as this is going to work, all will be fine.

Personally, I dislike the change of meanings. Books tend to become a problem for younger readers, as the thoughts the author had had at the time of writing are now ill-represented. But asynchronous communication is not under discussion. Yet.

(Double Ninja'd. Shinobi everywhere!)


What are you trying to say?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:12 pm UTC
by Exodies
higgs-boson wrote:
flicky1991 wrote:
PinkShinyRose wrote:But Megans was definitely a dialogue, while Cueballs was a monologue.

You seem to be under the common misconception that a dialogue requires two people. "Dialogue" is any speech at all, no matter how many people are involved.


It is as common a misconception as common it could be, even the wikipedia adds to it.

If you use the word "dialogue" for communication and the meaning of your message is received correctly, there is no misconception.
The term "running amok" changed its meaning in the last decade. Its meaning is now as right or wrong as 10 years ago - you may transport your thought to other people and as long as this is going to work, all will be fine.

Personally, I dislike the change of meanings. Books tend to become a problem for younger readers, as the thoughts the author had had at the time of writing are now ill-represented. But asynchronous communication is not under discussion. Yet.

(Double Ninja'd. Shinobi everywhere!)

What does "running amok" mean now?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:15 pm UTC
by kryton
Having a "Bleach" moment with the pics...
the left uprights with lintel, the right uprights just poles...
reminds me of the episode where Rukia was to be executed, she was raised to the top of a large pair of uprights with a lintel (the gallows), and in front of her on a single pole was the Sōkyoku that was about to change into a flaming bird, Kikōō, and execute her....

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:17 pm UTC
by Flotter
Grimgar wrote:
flicky1991 wrote:
PinkShinyRose wrote:But Megans was definitely a dialogue, while Cueballs was a monologue.

You seem to be under the common misconception that a dialogue requires two people. "Dialogue" is any speech at all, no matter how many people are involved.

Dialogue is a (...) conversational exchange between two or more ("dia" means through or across) people.

Emphasis added. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogue

Edit: I'm a ninja!

"Dialog" is a pretty common term in comics if I'm not mistaken, in this case couldn't it mean dialog from the Randall to the Time Waiters?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:27 pm UTC
by flicky1991
mscha wrote:
flicky1991 wrote:
PinkShinyRose wrote:But Megans was definitely a dialogue, while Cueballs was a monologue.

You seem to be under the common misconception that a dialogue requires two people. "Dialogue" is any speech at all, no matter how many people are involved.

At least two, though. (See definition.) Therefore, a monologue is not a dialogue.

Ah, I'm more familiar with definition two from here: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dialogue, i.e. lines in a fictional work no matter how many people are involved. If we were talking about real life, then I see it would have to be two or more people, whereas what was being discussed was the dialogue of the strip in the sense I was thinking of.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:28 pm UTC
by chem1190c
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:35 pm UTC
by Dracomax
Angelastic wrote:
Mikeski wrote:Hourglasses don't usually contain water, tides, trebuchets, poles, or rope.

(Or people, who would likely not survive the first turning of said hourglass).

Maybe they'd end up stuck in the neck in the top half of the hourglass, smooching. Because that's when you do when your life's been flip-turned upside down

Obviously not.
when your life has been flip-turned upside down, you tell us all a story, we sit right there, and then, you tell us all about how you became the prince of a town called bel-air...

and eventualy...http://xkcd.com/1059/

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:50 pm UTC
by higgs-boson
Exodies wrote:What does "running amok" mean now?

Many years ago, planned deeds, however violent and bloody, where not associated with the term "running amok".

For Europe, this has changed --
-- at least in part. The English wikipedia does not reflect that expressis verbis - maybe the English press did not pick up every continental fashion and both them and the U.S. papers can help thelmselves with equally strong words like "killing spree" (which would insinuate a reason for the change I do not want to right here and now).

I am no native English speaker, other European voices rising would be appreciated.

Maybe I should not have tried to answer the question.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:55 pm UTC
by Ebonite
Cueball, thou shalt not sip from the Timestream.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:55 pm UTC
by histrion
Exodies wrote:Will this be the first full length feature film which has been analysed frame by frame?


Depends - are we counting the fictional film professor in The Freshman who was obsessed with The Godfather?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:01 pm UTC
by RobIrr
Image

Definitely dialogue :-)

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:04 pm UTC
by edo
Flado wrote:
azule wrote:When did we get a Western Paradox Church? I want to be an unmember too.

I declared myself Patriarch when no-one was looking, as it was my first post and thus stuck in moderation for a page or two. After that, I had precedent on my side :-) A cunning trick, you see?
Well you aren't partially unwelcome. We should have a Messiah by now. Or two of them. Must catch up.


Based on your honesty regarding your sneakyness, you are truly a prophet/profit of tthe paradox.

I'm joining your religion - would you cannonize me a Revered Apostate?.

I nominate Megan and Cueball as messiahs

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:05 pm UTC
by Dracomax
edo wrote:
Flado wrote:
azule wrote:When did we get a Western Paradox Church? I want to be an unmember too.

I declared myself Patriarch when no-one was looking, as it was my first post and thus stuck in moderation for a page or two. After that, I had precedent on my side :-) A cunning trick, you see?
Well you aren't partially unwelcome. We should have a Messiah by now. Or two of them. Must catch up.


Based on your honesty regarding your sneakyness, you are truly a prophet/profit of tthe paradox.

I'm joining your religion - would you cannonize me a Revered Apostate?.

I nominate Megan and Cueball as messiahs

You only get cannonized if you wear a helmet and shin gaurds. safety first.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:06 pm UTC
by histrion
RobIrr wrote:Image

Definitely dialogue :-)


I'm imagining someone who came across "Time" for the first, er, time at this frame, and read the alt-text, without realizing it was a single frame in a continually updating story.

I'm trying to imagine how they'd interpret this comic. "Is this some sort of comment on the futility of feudalism?"

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:06 pm UTC
by partingLance
azule wrote:100th Post within Time Thread!!!

Maybe less celebratory and more pathetic this time. lol

Flado wrote:Heresy, I know. But I am the Patriarch of the Western Paradox Church, so it is somehow expected of me. And not.

When did we get a Western Paradox Church? I want to be an unmember too.


I'd like to apply also, my principal qualification being that I made (I think) the first Sound of All You Thundering Zombies references on this thread. And not, of course.

EDIT: And Groucho reference too, now that I recall. You say you won't have me as a member? Perfect! Where do I sign?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:11 pm UTC
by Exodies
histrion wrote:
Exodies wrote:Will this be the first full length feature film which has been analysed frame by frame?


Depends - are we counting the fictional film professor in The Freshman who was obsessed with The Godfather?


No, because it didn't happen. This is happening, now, in frametime, as we msg.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:14 pm UTC
by Mr Moriaty
RobIrr wrote:Image

Definitely dialogue :-)


He is clearly referring to his relationship with Megan...

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:17 pm UTC
by Dracomax
Mr Moriaty wrote:
RobIrr wrote:Image

Definitely dialogue :-)


He is clearly referring to his relationship with Megan...

He's obviously telling us he has cancer. and babies. and no semen.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:20 pm UTC
by kryton
partingLance wrote:
azule wrote:100th Post within Time Thread!!!

Maybe less celebratory and more pathetic this time. lol

Flado wrote:Heresy, I know. But I am the Patriarch of the Western Paradox Church, so it is somehow expected of me. And not.

When did we get a Western Paradox Church? I want to be an unmember too.


I'd like to apply also, my principal qualification being that I made (I think) the first Sound of All You Thundering Zombies references on this thread. And not, of course.


The Western Paradox Church hasn't been added to the holy book of churchyness charters, http://xkcd-time.wikia.com/wiki/XKCD_Time_Wiki
so it can't really exist just the way a bowl of petunias won't.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:22 pm UTC
by Dracomax
kryton wrote:
partingLance wrote:
azule wrote:100th Post within Time Thread!!!

Maybe less celebratory and more pathetic this time. lol

Flado wrote:Heresy, I know. But I am the Patriarch of the Western Paradox Church, so it is somehow expected of me. And not.

When did we get a Western Paradox Church? I want to be an unmember too.


I'd like to apply also, my principal qualification being that I made (I think) the first Sound of All You Thundering Zombies references on this thread. And not, of course.


The Western Paradox Church hasn't been added to the holy book of churchyness charters, http://xkcd-time.wikia.com/wiki/XKCD_Time_Wiki
so it can't really exist just the way a bowl of petunias won't.

That's part of the paradox. it can't exist, yet it does.

also, since they haven't broken any of their own rules yet, all they are really eligible for from the inquisition is a merange pie to the face. however, they have informed me that I can't know their position and speed at the same time, making it really difficult to aim.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:25 pm UTC
by histrion
Exodies wrote:
histrion wrote:
Exodies wrote:Will this be the first full length feature film which has been analysed frame by frame?


Depends - are we counting the fictional film professor in The Freshman who was obsessed with The Godfather?


No, because it didn't happen. This is happening, now, in frametime, as we msg.


How do you know? Paul Benedict strikes me as a method actor.*

*Former, anyway - he's dead now, so at the very least his method has changed drastically.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:26 pm UTC
by Dracomax
histrion wrote:
Exodies wrote:
histrion wrote:
Exodies wrote:Will this be the first full length feature film which has been analysed frame by frame?


Depends - are we counting the fictional film professor in The Freshman who was obsessed with The Godfather?


No, because it didn't happen. This is happening, now, in frametime, as we msg.


How do you know? Paul Benedict strikes me as a method actor.*

*Former, anyway - he's dead now, so at the very least his method has changed drastically.

that just means he only plays stiffs now.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:41 pm UTC
by histrion
Dracomax wrote:
histrion wrote:
Exodies wrote:
histrion wrote:
Exodies wrote:Will this be the first full length feature film which has been analysed frame by frame?


Depends - are we counting the fictional film professor in The Freshman who was obsessed with The Godfather?


No, because it didn't happen. This is happening, now, in frametime, as we msg.


How do you know? Paul Benedict strikes me as a method actor.*

*Former, anyway - he's dead now, so at the very least his method has changed drastically.

that just means he only plays stiffs now.


"Stiff" describes the film professor pretty well, too.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:46 pm UTC
by veryslightlygeeky
These last few frames make me suspect that Randall The Lord of Time is aware of this thread.
Given that, a couple of possibilites come to mind.

- He is a bit mean, given that he made Cueball taste the Fluid. Or, more likely:

- He, as Cueball, is expressing distaste at the description of the Fluid in the thread. From comic 1176 we know that he doesn't like hurtful gossipy conversation; he might feel the same way about (um...) yucky stuff.

I hate to think what Cueball has tasted worse. Jellied Eels? :? Cytotoxics? :(

I reckon that Megan simply got some sand in her mouth, but I have a rather simple take on these matters.

Anyway, I am so glad that we are not over-analysing this strip. :)

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:47 pm UTC
by Exodies
Dracomax wrote:
histrion wrote:
Exodies wrote:
histrion wrote:
Exodies wrote:Will this be the first full length feature film which has been analysed frame by frame?


Depends - are we counting the fictional film professor in The Freshman who was obsessed with The Godfather?


No, because it didn't happen. This is happening, now, in frametime, as we msg.


How do you know? Paul Benedict strikes me as a method actor.*

*Former, anyway - he's dead now, so at the very least his method has changed drastically.

that just means he only plays stiffs now.


Ha hahaha
Could you go easy on the facts - every fact you record in the forum has to be checked by BlitzGirl, the Official Reader. Every youtube link watched, every gif studied, every arcane linguistic obsessive page ingested, every analogous TV series couch-potatoed through, all maths formulas tested on Mathematica, syntax diagrams of ancient programming languages analysed, ...

She is reading it properly isn't she?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:49 pm UTC
by kryton
veryslightlygeeky wrote:I hate to think what Cueball has tasted worse. Jellied Eels? :? Cytotoxics? :(


Bertie Botts Every Flavor Beans - 'nuff said

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:51 pm UTC
by Dracomax
veryslightlygeeky wrote:These last few frames make me suspect that Randall The Lord of Time is aware of this thread.
Given that, a couple of possibilites come to mind.

- He is a bit mean, given that he made Cueball taste the Fluid. Or, more likely:

- He, as Cueball, is expressing distaste at the description of the Fluid in the thread. From comic 1176 we know that he doesn't like hurtful gossipy conversation; he might feel the same way about (um...) yucky stuff.

I hate to think what Cueball has tasted worse. Jellied Eels? :? Cytotoxics? :(

I reckon that Megan simply got some sand in her mouth, but I have a rather simple take on these matters.

Anyway, I am so glad that we are not over-analysing this strip. :)

Of course not. the semencancerbaby religious stuff is all pretty explicit in the comic.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:53 pm UTC
by Exodies
veryslightlygeeky wrote:These last few frames make me suspect that Randall The Lord of Time is aware of this thread.
Given that, a couple of possibilites come to mind.

- He is a bit mean, given that he made Cueball taste the Fluid. Or, more likely:

- He, as Cueball, is expressing distaste at the description of the Fluid in the thread. From comic 1176 we know that he doesn't like hurtful gossipy conversation; he might feel the same way about (um...) yucky stuff.

I hate to think what Cueball has tasted worse. Jellied Eels? :? Cytotoxics? :(

I reckon that Megan simply got some sand in her mouth, but I have a rather simple take on these matters.

Anyway, I am so glad that we are not over-analysing this strip. :)


Would people think "sand in my mouth" when they get a gob full of "sea water"? Although there would be some sand, it's pretty tasteless compared to the brine.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:58 pm UTC
by kryton
Dracomax wrote:
kryton wrote:
partingLance wrote:
azule wrote:100th Post within Time Thread!!!

Maybe less celebratory and more pathetic this time. lol

Flado wrote:Heresy, I know. But I am the Patriarch of the Western Paradox Church, so it is somehow expected of me. And not.

When did we get a Western Paradox Church? I want to be an unmember too.


I'd like to apply also, my principal qualification being that I made (I think) the first Sound of All You Thundering Zombies references on this thread. And not, of course.


The Western Paradox Church hasn't been added to the holy book of churchyness charters, http://xkcd-time.wikia.com/wiki/XKCD_Time_Wiki
so it can't really exist just the way a bowl of petunias won't.

That's part of the paradox. it can't exist, yet it does.

also, since they haven't broken any of their own rules yet, all they are really eligible for from the inquisition is a merange pie to the face. however, they have informed me that I can't know their position and speed at the same time, making it really difficult to aim.


hmm, since the Heisenberg radius of a western paradoxite is much smaller that the radius of a merange pie, I'd say you could just hang it in mid air and one will eventually collide with it on their own...