1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Sat May 04, 2013 11:41 pm UTC

mscha, now that you're here again, there's something I'd like to ask. I've read over the discussion of the "apocryphal" frames several times, and I keep getting lost in the filenames and the similar-looking images.

I downloaded these five frames (original/apocryphal) in real time:

a0912d58db16574d7defdfeda6f4dbb820986d0e6fb38e793e62f8da5b151d98.png
9ca751515dfcf0f124e0d4c3b6b55efa1e80eff73116d9a8784f2594991ebdfe.png
a6c1afdfc9ef6d0479d839e2929771feed170588a10902fde15f8471c61a86d1.png
530efe35c4725e88ada29e4f75d1f815917cb1b02db69d2f13d0b3853c44860d.png

003169b5a922ecd7a4bc2136743f00771f7575b8fc2be045ddeb25d740724aa7.png

These three frames in your list (added) my capture never saw at all:

89fbcd5accd704c98f0e79b4adee58c7490cca4e53a508ceb050a78ceffd2611.png
715b2c1e6aee87798ff01c8d6d6f8194dc18f06e7db1c7decf774cb45c8ff776.png
6cb836b5c06e3d46335ab0f757ee62fdc76331f49f101c382c8f48bf479365b1.png


All these frames are of Megan building (or napping) upon the middle mound.

Here's what I think I understand:
─The original 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames have been updated on the xkcd servers.
─The updated 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames are identical to the 89fbc..., 715b2..., 6cb83... frames, respectively.

Here's what I might be misunderstanding:
─No other frames are known to match the original 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames.
─Those original frames might be on the servers, but we don't (yet) know file names for them.
─So at the moment, the only known source for those original frames is people like you and me that downloaded them when they first went live, and haven't overwritten them (hence, "apocryphal").

Have I got all this straight?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby FullOfIt » Sat May 04, 2013 11:41 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sat May 04, 2013 11:45 pm UTC

jjjdavidson wrote:mscha, now that you're here again, there's something I'd like to ask. I've read over the discussion of the "apocryphal" frames several times, and I keep getting lost in the filenames and the similar-looking images.
Spoiler:
I downloaded these five frames (original/apocryphal) in real time:

a0912d58db16574d7defdfeda6f4dbb820986d0e6fb38e793e62f8da5b151d98.png
9ca751515dfcf0f124e0d4c3b6b55efa1e80eff73116d9a8784f2594991ebdfe.png
a6c1afdfc9ef6d0479d839e2929771feed170588a10902fde15f8471c61a86d1.png
530efe35c4725e88ada29e4f75d1f815917cb1b02db69d2f13d0b3853c44860d.png

003169b5a922ecd7a4bc2136743f00771f7575b8fc2be045ddeb25d740724aa7.png

These three frames in your list (added) my capture never saw at all:

89fbcd5accd704c98f0e79b4adee58c7490cca4e53a508ceb050a78ceffd2611.png
715b2c1e6aee87798ff01c8d6d6f8194dc18f06e7db1c7decf774cb45c8ff776.png
6cb836b5c06e3d46335ab0f757ee62fdc76331f49f101c382c8f48bf479365b1.png


All these frames are of Megan building (or napping) upon the middle mound.

Here's what I think I understand:
─The original 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames have been updated on the xkcd servers.
─The updated 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames are identical to the 89fbc..., 715b2..., 6cb83... frames, respectively.

Here's what I might be misunderstanding:
─No other frames are known to match the original 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames.
─Those original frames might be on the servers, but we don't (yet) know file names for them.
─So at the moment, the only known source for those original frames is people like you and me that downloaded them when they first went live, and haven't overwritten them (hence, "apocryphal").

Have I got all this straight?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby KarMann » Sat May 04, 2013 11:47 pm UTC

HAL9000 wrote:
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Also middle mouse button works in all browsers the same way as ctrl+click.

But here's the problem - all these short cuts are for things which are already really short - middle click instead of Ctrl-click saves you about a milli second in your whole lifetime. Programmers just seem to be unable to come up with real time savers.

Not if you have your left hand under your chin1. :D Which I have a lot when just reading. So it actually saves me a lot of time.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby azule » Sat May 04, 2013 11:50 pm UTC

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That is what I was referring to. I meant the BlitzGirl- (or rather, azule-) style sorted responses. Thanks!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mathrec » Sat May 04, 2013 11:54 pm UTC

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Solved (assuming the rules to be "fill each square with a letter such that each row column and 3x3 box has all the (unique) letters of 'one true comic'" (or, as BlitzGirl said, 'one tru cmi').
Questions:
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Then I carried on solving.

Of course I hoped to slow you all down a little by not giving you directions. :twisted: Kudos to Blitzgirl for the prompt solution.

I figured that this group of brilliant minds would figure it out. (I was going to add a winking smiley, but decided that I meant that comment literally.)

The blue squares do form a pattern. (It wasn't just nerd sniping.) They spell out a message when read left to right. I didn't see anyone comment on that. (I had to misspell the message, but it was the best I could come up with using the nine letters available.)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sun May 05, 2013 12:03 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun May 05, 2013 12:08 am UTC

jjjdavidson wrote:mscha, now that you're here again,

Again? I'm pretty much here all the time. I'm starting to get worried about me... :?

jjjdavidson wrote: there's something I'd like to ask. I've read over the discussion of the "apocryphal" frames several times, and I keep getting lost in the filenames and the similar-looking images.
Spoiler:
I downloaded these five frames (original/apocryphal) in real time:

a0912d58db16574d7defdfeda6f4dbb820986d0e6fb38e793e62f8da5b151d98.png
9ca751515dfcf0f124e0d4c3b6b55efa1e80eff73116d9a8784f2594991ebdfe.png
a6c1afdfc9ef6d0479d839e2929771feed170588a10902fde15f8471c61a86d1.png
530efe35c4725e88ada29e4f75d1f815917cb1b02db69d2f13d0b3853c44860d.png

003169b5a922ecd7a4bc2136743f00771f7575b8fc2be045ddeb25d740724aa7.png

These three frames in your list (added) my capture never saw at all:

89fbcd5accd704c98f0e79b4adee58c7490cca4e53a508ceb050a78ceffd2611.png
715b2c1e6aee87798ff01c8d6d6f8194dc18f06e7db1c7decf774cb45c8ff776.png
6cb836b5c06e3d46335ab0f757ee62fdc76331f49f101c382c8f48bf479365b1.png


All these frames are of Megan building (or napping) upon the middle mound.

Here's what I think I understand:
─The original 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames have been updated on the xkcd servers.
─The updated 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames are identical to the 89fbc..., 715b2..., 6cb83... frames, respectively.

Here's what I might be misunderstanding:
─No other frames are known to match the original 9ca75..., a6c1a..., 530ef... frames.
─Those original frames might be on the servers, but we don't (yet) know file names for them.
─So at the moment, the only known source for those original frames is people like you and me that downloaded them when they first went live, and haven't overwritten them (hence, "apocryphal").
Have I got all this straight?

I think so, yes, basically.

To be honest, I don't remember exactly what I did at the time. My download script follows the time.png redirect, and I saw in the OTT that people were getting other images though the Javascript redirect, so I downloaded these by hand, and after Randall straightened things out, I renamed my files (which use timestamp-based filenames) to be in the seemingly correct order. But I didn't keep track of what I renamed to what, so when I created my frame list last week, I had to reconstruct which hash belonged to which filename based on the posts at the time in the OTT. I might have gotten it the wrong way round, so that the apocryphal frames and 256-258 were swapped.
(...)
Actually, it looks like I got it wrong: when the Lord Randall updated the time stamps of the frames, He skipped the three files that I have listed as 256-258, and did include the ones I have listed as “apocryphal”.
Fixed that, from:
Spoiler:
xkcd_time_20130330_1900.png: 9ca751515dfcf0f124e0d4c3b6b55efa1e80eff73116d9a8784f2594991ebdfe
xkcd_time_20130330_2000.png: a6c1afdfc9ef6d0479d839e2929771feed170588a10902fde15f8471c61a86d1
xkcd_time_20130330_2100.png: 530efe35c4725e88ada29e4f75d1f815917cb1b02db69d2f13d0b3853c44860d
xkcd_time_20130330_2115.png: 89fbcd5accd704c98f0e79b4adee58c7490cca4e53a508ceb050a78ceffd2611
xkcd_time_20130330_2130.png: 715b2c1e6aee87798ff01c8d6d6f8194dc18f06e7db1c7decf774cb45c8ff776
xkcd_time_20130330_2145.png: 6cb836b5c06e3d46335ab0f757ee62fdc76331f49f101c382c8f48bf479365b1
to:
Spoiler:
xkcd_time_20130330_1900.png: 89fbcd5accd704c98f0e79b4adee58c7490cca4e53a508ceb050a78ceffd2611
xkcd_time_20130330_2000.png: 715b2c1e6aee87798ff01c8d6d6f8194dc18f06e7db1c7decf774cb45c8ff776
xkcd_time_20130330_2100.png: 6cb836b5c06e3d46335ab0f757ee62fdc76331f49f101c382c8f48bf479365b1
xkcd_time_20130330_2115.png: 9ca751515dfcf0f124e0d4c3b6b55efa1e80eff73116d9a8784f2594991ebdfe
xkcd_time_20130330_2130.png: a6c1afdfc9ef6d0479d839e2929771feed170588a10902fde15f8471c61a86d1
xkcd_time_20130330_2145.png: 530efe35c4725e88ada29e4f75d1f815917cb1b02db69d2f13d0b3853c44860d

But anyway, the Lord Randall, in His infinite wisdom, apparently decided to throw these frames out and continue some point later in His collection. It worked out well, if you now watch the (non-apocryphal) frames in order, you don't spot anything missing.

Edit: changed my “Actually” to reverse the conclusion.
Edit2: fixed the apocryphal hashes after all.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Sun May 05, 2013 12:13 am UTC

It's beautiful, in a way, the (possibly non-)zoom out. I never thought in my Outsider years that I would ever follow a sandcastle and then adventure and be interested in a zoom-out, all over the space of just over a month. And then join a forum about a brilliant comic because of it.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jaronflick » Sun May 05, 2013 12:15 am UTC

I just finished watching a lecture that Lord Randall gave at Christopher Newport University (his alma mater.) One of the questions someone asked him was about the five comics dealing with the boy in the barrel. (http://xkcd.com/1/). Lord Randall seemed to imply that the comic may yet complete.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Sun May 05, 2013 12:28 am UTC

pilrigg wrote:To buffygirl, ucim, Tatiana, 528 Exodies, lmjb1964, SBN, NoMouse & others I may have missed
Thanks for so many answers to my question [...] Now let's see if I can make it work.

Perfectly. (though on an unrelated matter, your "this one" failed to contain the presumably intended link.

Of course, reading further, I see that this was not intended to be a link, but was instead a perfectly done footnote. :)

If you show smilies as graphics, you should be having unmatched parenthesis apoplexy soon. If not, you'll be fine.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun May 05, 2013 12:32 am UTC

Animation updated, now the last 5 frames.
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The last five Cuegans:
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I still don't really “get” it, but it's way past coma time, so maybe there will be more clarity tomorrow.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Helper » Sun May 05, 2013 12:33 am UTC

Oh Randall, another zoom out...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Sun May 05, 2013 12:33 am UTC

TheMinim wrote:It's beautiful, in a way, the (possibly non-)zoom out. I never thought in my Outsider years that I would ever follow a sandcastle and then adventure and be interested in a zoom-out, all over the space of just over a month. And then join a forum about a brilliant comic because of it.

Oh well, cake, anyone?


When I was a young boy, a strange old man approached me on the street, hobbled and bent and wearied by time. He leaned over, stared me in the eyes and said "Years from now, castles will be built before your eyes, mysteries unfold, and the true nature of Time shall be revealed to you." As he hobbled away, something in his demeanor looked oddly...familiar... But his otherworldly voice completely creeped me out, and from that day forward I dreaded what might await in the future. As the years crept by, I slowly forgot about him and his honeyed words...until now. It all makes sense.1

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sun May 05, 2013 12:34 am UTC

So, thought it might be a good time to add a new OTGT1 update. The most recent OTPs2 have been very short; how do people feel about condensing some of them?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Sun May 05, 2013 12:40 am UTC

descor wrote:The most recent OTPs2 have been very short;


Reusing an existing internet acronym to describe some aspect of Time. Just the sort of completely unintentional but perfectly obfuscatory nonsense I expect from this thread now :D

I think more subdivisions are better than less. That's what the Eras are for, right?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Oripy » Sun May 05, 2013 12:41 am UTC

From what I understand, Mergan and Cueball walked following the shore until they reached a river.
When reaching this river they saw its size.
Then they went upstream of this river and discovered that it was in fact only a branch of a larger river which is dividing into a sort of delta. This explains the "Oh. This river is even bigger than it looked" from Megan when she discovered that the river was just a branch of a bigger river.

We can only see the second branch of the river few Newpix after because we are only seeing the crosscut of the world located near the feets of Cuegan. Megan can see far ahead of us and saw the branch earlier than us.

I bet that Megan was pointing at the point where the two branch merges. And we will see that happen in few Newpix.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Sun May 05, 2013 12:47 am UTC

mscha wrote:Animation updated, now the last 5 frames. (Refresh if you only see 3 or 4.)
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http://xkcd.mscha.org/river.gif[/img]


The last five Cuegans:
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I still don't really “get” it, but it's way past coma time, so maybe there will be more clarity tomorrow.

May haps "the moving upstream to the fork in the river" idea is turning out to be the right guess. And where they join together will look huge (compared to the small broken river they're used to).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Tatiana » Sun May 05, 2013 12:47 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sun May 05, 2013 12:53 am UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:
descor wrote:The most recent OTPs2 have been very short;


Reusing an existing internet acronym to describe some aspect of Time. Just the sort of completely unintentional but perfectly obfuscatory nonsense I expect from this thread now :D

Totally unintentional. In fact, I had to Google OTP to find out the original acronym. I think I prefer One True Period.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Sun May 05, 2013 12:54 am UTC

I saw the message in the squares and alluded to it, assuming BlitzGirl had already noticed it, then BlitzGirl posted the actual message in spoiler tags. :)

Hey… what if this delta is just part of another, bigger delta? What if it's a Sierpinski's triangle of deltas? :shock: What if the comic is going to repeat on different TimeScales, not just in the mini-castles but also in the river deltas?

I actually don't really know what deltas are (I don't really know what anything is), but in my fantasy world they at worst shaped like Δs, and at best, are Sierpinski gaskets made out of Δs.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Sun May 05, 2013 12:55 am UTC

pelrigg wrote: Somebody said something about cake?


Probably me; my mind short-circuits to cake all of the time.

So, anyone?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby vvn » Sun May 05, 2013 12:59 am UTC

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mscha wrote:(Off-topic¹: that comma within the quotes bothers me immensely, by the way. Completely illogical. But I guess that's how you can tell an English major from a computer sciences type...)
Same to me, but I've recently learnt that in AE they put them inside the quotation marks, whether they belong there or not.

The Jargon File also discusses this issue.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Sun May 05, 2013 1:03 am UTC

The little 'island' in the middle is making me feel nostalgic. I shouldn't be feeling nostalgic. Blimey...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Sun May 05, 2013 1:05 am UTC

descor wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:
descor wrote:The most recent OTPs2 have been very short;


Reusing an existing internet acronym to describe some aspect of Time. Just the sort of completely unintentional but perfectly obfuscatory nonsense I expect from this thread now :D

Totally unintentional. In fact, I had to Google OTP to find out the original acronym. I think I prefer One True Period.

But which period is the One True one? STP or MTP maybe?

I read OTP as One True Period right away, but having googled, I still don't know what the other one is: One True Pairing or One-Time Password? Apparently there's precedent for reusing this particular acronym.

Edit: I'm of two minds regarding the smaller periods. If folks distinguish that finely, then, why not? But I wish the print was big enough to read.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Sun May 05, 2013 1:08 am UTC

descor wrote:So, thought it might be a good time to add a new OTGT1 update. The most recent OTPs2 have been very short; how do people feel about condensing some of them?

Geological Time (most recent).png
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1One True Geological3 Time
2One True Periods
3Or Geologic if you live on the wrong4 side of the Atlantic
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I defiantly couldn't read all of the silvers for in the upper-right. It is low-res after all. (I DO like the chart)
But how many divisions are you trying to show?

All of these from the time Time Wiki?
972 - 997: First Journey Period
998 - 1001: The Fake Loop
1002 - 1007: Second Journey Period
1008 - 1014: The Mustard Period
1015 - 1021: Third Journey Period
1022 - NOW: The River Period

I can see why it looks so muddy up then. I do have on 400% mag and I just can't read it. High-res shouldn't be a problem though.

Saying it again: I DO like the chart
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Sun May 05, 2013 1:12 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Someguy945 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:14 am UTC

Oripy wrote:From what I understand, Mergan and Cueball walked following the shore until they reached a river.
When reaching this river they saw its size.
Then they went upstream of this river and discovered that it was in fact only a branch of a larger river which is dividing into a sort of delta. This explains the "Oh. This river is even bigger than it looked" from Megan when she discovered that the river was just a branch of a bigger river.

We can only see the second branch of the river few Newpix after because we are only seeing the crosscut of the world located near the feets of Cuegan. Megan can see far ahead of us and saw the branch earlier than us.

I bet that Megan was pointing at the point where the two branch merges. And we will see that happen in few Newpix.


You nailed it. The comic has not been zooming out these past few frames. Instead, Cuegan are walking upstream and the further upstream they go, the closer they get to the point where this branch and the adjacent branch merge.

I'm kind of confused as to why Randall decided to make a really long comic strip in 2D space to tell us about a story where 3D space is (apparently) critical to the storytelling. It's like he's punishing himself...or us.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sun May 05, 2013 1:16 am UTC

pelrigg wrote:
descor wrote:So, thought it might be a good time to add a new OTGT1 update. The most recent OTPs2 have been very short; how do people feel about condensing some of them?

The attachment Geological Time (most recent).png is no longer available
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1One True Geological3 Time
2One True Periods
3Or Geologic if you live on the wrong4 side of the Atlantic
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5I'm joking, please don't get mad. I'm sorry.


I defiantly couldn't read all of the silvers for in the upper-right. It is low-res after all. (I DO like the chart)
But how many divisions are you trying to show?

All of these from the time Time Wiki?
972 - 997: First Journey Period
998 - 1001: The Fake Loop
1002 - 1007: Second Journey Period
1008 - 1014: The Mustard Period
1015 - 1021: Third Journey Period
1022 - NOW: The River Period

I can see why it looks so muddy up then. I do have on 400% mag and I just can't read it. High-res shouldn't be a problem though.

Saying it again: I DO like the chart

I left out The River Period as it hasn't finished.

The low res version was just to conserve filesize, but your wish is my command:
Geological Time (high res).png
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Sun May 05, 2013 1:19 am UTC

vvn wrote:
Angelastic wrote:
mscha wrote:(Off-topic¹: that comma within the quotes bothers me immensely, by the way. Completely illogical. But I guess that's how you can tell an English major from a computer sciences type...)
Same to me, but I've recently learnt that in AE they put them inside the quotation marks, whether they belong there or not.

The Jargon File also discusses this issue.


Neat article. Language is always evolving. I think that the logical ordering will become standard/proper in the not-too-distant future.

pelrigg wrote:I defiantly couldn't read all of the silvers for in the upper-right. It is low-res after all. (I DO like the chart)
But how many divisions are you trying to show?


I really hope that that use of "defiantly" doesn't become standard though. ;)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby descor » Sun May 05, 2013 1:28 am UTC

ggh wrote:
pelrigg wrote:I defiantly couldn't read all of the silvers for in the upper-right. It is low-res after all. (I DO like the chart)
But how many divisions are you trying to show?


I really hope that that use of "defiantly" doesn't become standard though. ;)

I defiantly hope it does. Defiantly.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Sun May 05, 2013 1:28 am UTC

Wow descor I can read, I can read, but you really didn't have to do that for this poor soul. Thanks.
But this chart is trying to visualize all of the divisions in the Wiki, I take it? So I guess as long as the source as that many little ones, then so should the chart. My vote: many divisions.

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I really hope that that use of "defiantly" doesn't become standard though. ;)


damn autocorrect feature.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Sun May 05, 2013 1:33 am UTC

For anyone still confused about what is going on with the camera, I've created this helpful animation which may shed some light on the situation. It's not particularly accurate to the landscape, but it gets the point across I hope :)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sun May 05, 2013 1:39 am UTC

Bravo, ChronosDragon!

azule wrote:I believe we're looking at a 2-dimensional cross-section. Therefore, with those 3 frames, they're walking, we're zooming, they walk, we zoom. The landscape isn't matching because there's a new bump 3q$ ahead, then another another 3q or 4q.

$ q = cue (measurement).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Sun May 05, 2013 1:43 am UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:For anyone still confused about what is going on with the camera, I've created this helpful animation which may shed some light on the situation.

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[https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6438249/riverpan.gif]


Brilliant, that's what a lot of folks have been trying to put across.

Of course, where the delta (delta is still a -?-, right?) starts to split the main river could be much larger. But what you show is based on what we Know, that's is what's important....

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ergman » Sun May 05, 2013 1:46 am UTC

I'm back after another day or so of outside time.
can someone please explain to me this line: (frame 1095)
"It's not much farther from home than ours at its driest."
very cryptic indeed.

for whatever reason, as soon as I saw this line my first reaction was that the whole thing was a metaphor for interplanetary travel, with the different rivers being different possibly habitable planets, and Megan & Cueball are the people trying to figure out which would be best suitable for colonization, based on qualities such as dryness.
This is just a random gut reaction, but it does seem like a pretty xkcd-y thing to do, doesn't it?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Sun May 05, 2013 1:52 am UTC

ergman wrote:I'm back after another day or so of outside time.
can someone please explain to me this line: (frame 1095)
"It's not much farther from home than ours at its driest."
very cryptic indeed.

for whatever reason, as soon as I saw this line my first reaction was that the whole thing was a metaphor for interplanetary travel, with the different rivers being different possibly habitable planets, and Megan & Cueball are the people trying to figure out which would be best suitable for colonization, based on qualities such as dryness.
This is just a random gut reaction, but it does seem like a pretty xkcd-y thing to do, doesn't it?


My theory {and others agree} is "their" river is a seasonal flow river, which at it's driest is about the same distance from home as they are now.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BytEfLUSh » Sun May 05, 2013 1:55 am UTC

May I once again suggest that they are at some river delta? Doesn't have to be Lena River, though. :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Sun May 05, 2013 1:56 am UTC

*applauds ChronosDragon*

That is awesome! Not exactly what I had envisioned, but I like making my brain look at things a different way. Thanks!
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