1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Soup » Fri May 15, 2015 6:40 pm UTC

Is that Lucky in there?

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Should I wait for it,
Emoji Lucky 8 Ball?
Needs more Panther Salve.



Decree: Panther Savvy Haiku to summon charlie_grumbles!


ETA: ImageImageImageImageImage Pope!
ETRemove unmatched footnote.Unforgivable,

Unforgivable, even for a Page Pope.

Spoiler:
Page Popes are immune to punsawing, right?

Spoiler:
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Waiting for it...

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Fri May 15, 2015 6:52 pm UTC

https://youtu.be/ik9uc4oC3UU - 15 minutes of bftfdrawing.
Also, lmwg.zip.

So, there are multiple otters making their computers sing "Still alive". There are more otters making there own markup languages (not me), more otters figuring out game file formats, etc. Interesting.

Redundant:
lmwg.zip
.xcf is not allowed as attachment, so I zipd it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Fri May 15, 2015 7:46 pm UTC

There are not many
Haiku with the word 'any'
Spoiler:
Panther Salve.


(It was a very silly facebug. I thwapped it. Unit tests are important!)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Soup » Fri May 15, 2015 8:07 pm UTC

"Spoiler" must have two
syllables in your haiku
Tasty Panther Salve
Waiting for it...

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Fri May 15, 2015 8:46 pm UTC

HES wrote:Both those permalinks take me to the previous comic unless I add the comic number manually. So not quite as perma as they should be.

For posterity:
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Spoiler:
I Haiku badly

Spoiler:
Will panther salve bring lost ones?

Spoiler:
OTTers hope so.
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TimeAfterTime Revisited – t1i-1079

Postby SilentTimer » Fri May 15, 2015 9:00 pm UTC

IF WE MAKE IT BACK ALIVE, YOU'RE NEVER DEMUSTARDUNG ANYTHING AGAIN. -- ongomome
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Spoiler:
LOOK OUT!

Did you notice …
… what Cueball is doing?
Spoiler:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Fri May 15, 2015 11:11 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:
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Spoiler:
Bitman!

LOL!! (I would have said :AZULE:!!!!, but you may have missed that part of the OTT. :) )

Neil_Boekend wrote:
lmjb1964 wrote:
ggh wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:speaking of BlitzGirl: where is she? Haven't seen her in a while.

Yeah, we missed her second Blitziversery. :(

She posted something a while back about going to a wedding, I think. Must have been a very long wedding. We need a BlitzGirl Summonus. Who has the "I Can't Believe It's Not Goat's Blood"?

I think the main benefit of being Goat was that you didn't have to think up a decree. :D

Well, I am reasonably sure it didn't turn out to be a red wedding. Didn't see her on any of the mailed lists of recently deceased. I haven't got any "I Can't Believe It's Not Goat's Blood" left but I could dilute some tomato ketchup and add some beetroot juice. It should suffice.

Had to look up red wedding. Must watch Game of Thrones some day. Or read it.

Hi, mikrit! I like John Coma. "Hey, youse want I should make you coma with the fishmolpies?"

Thanks for the enhancing, mrob! Does 27 mean something?

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Spoiler:
Will Panther Salve bring
charlie_grumbles back to us?
I really hope so!


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Genus name is Panthera.
I'm Panther Savvy.

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Time Revisited - np1365

Postby mscha » Sat May 16, 2015 12:10 am UTC

FABLUNGS...
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Spoiler:
Wait for it.
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MORE OTW. MAYBE ᴇʀOTTɪᴄ.

Postby mrob27 » Sat May 16, 2015 12:45 am UTC

Angelastic wrote:… I suspect that one of the problems dealing with longer files was something that's since been fixed in the OS, though, so I'm not sure I'd recommend it for 10.6 anyway. …

Oh sure, I understand. I wouldn't be trying it on anything big, anyway. I do all my serious work in Terminal. But it would have been fun to read your blog and actually try out what you're writing about. And yes, I see you really want to go wild on the icon, so perhaps it's beyond all of our skills. (Apple expects you to make it look photo-realistic but without using photos? :roll: )

Outside users will probably only search haiku in small2 things like novels or bibles, anyway, so it'll still be pretty quick.

What are we up to now? Hmmm, let's see… (checking)
  2310 pages of the OTT = 10,187,737 words
    = 53× Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
    = 50× Dune (Frank Herbert)
    = 38× Ulysses (James Joyce)
    = 32× The Fountainhead (Ayn Rand)
    = 12× KJV Bible

Neil_Boekend wrote:I asked it "will there be a Time 2" and it gave me an image of a bell. What should I make of that?

A bell means ONG. ⏰ It is a good sign.

svenman wrote:How fitting that this came just after I had got around to start the One True Wiki page on haiku, including a mention of Angelastic's Haiku Detector.

I thought your work was (at least partly) the reason @Angelastic drifted back. :)

Angelastic wrote:There are not many / Haiku with the word 'any' / Spoiler: show Panther Salve.

I get … about one per 17 Newpages.

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 $ pmgrep :11111-1111111-11111: baretext.txt -lp '(OTT[:0-9]+)' -nn -s '\bany\b'
    OTT:16:37  :stop:watching:doesn't she need any sleep:she's been building for hours:
     OTT:17:1  :is there any way to go back:and if not do you think it'll loop:
    OTT:80:17  :i think that is the first time we have seen that in any of the pics:
    OTT:83:22  :hm some inner sea:but it can't be just any inner sea:dead sea:
    OTT:87:24  :aubronwood:com is light newpices better than any gif:edit:
     OTT:97:6  :pdg kieryn kieryn wait:no one else post any more replies:
    OTT:122:2  :which is easy to do:any of us could stop whenever we want:
 ...
  OTT:2279:14  :mrorl quickly yelled:i am not any replica mrorl from a machine:
  OTT:2283:29  :incidentally i forgot to ask any otters in cleveland:
  OTT:2310:35  :didn't see her on any of the mailed lists of recently deceased:
Totals: 132 lines.

(Mrorl has one syllable. I guess.)

balthasar_s wrote:Also, lmwg.zip. … .xcf is not allowed as attachment, so I zipd it.

What is an xcf file? :?

lmjb1964 wrote:She posted something a while back about going to a wedding, I think. Must have been a very long wedding. We need a BlitzGirl Summonus. Who has the "I Can't Believe It's Not Goat's Blood"?

Perhaps @BlitzGirl has Blitzed into the future… from our point of view she's in the future, but from her point of view we're in her Aforewhen. So we just need to glide inexorably forward through a certain dimension… or in other words, ⏳ Wait for It.

Thanks for the enhancing, mrob! Does 27 mean something?

Maybe, I'm not sure. It's a number I notice a lot. I'm not alone, and there are other numbers similar to 27 (like 17 and 37) that people notice a lot for no particular reason; 27 just happens to be mine. See my 27 article for more, and also 17 which describes the "psychologically random numbers" phenomenon.

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Re: MORE OTW. MAYBE ᴇʀOTTɪᴄ.

Postby Angelastic » Sat May 16, 2015 1:54 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:
Angelastic wrote:… I suspect that one of the problems dealing with longer files was something that's since been fixed in the OS, though, so I'm not sure I'd recommend it for 10.6 anyway. …

Oh sure, I understand. I wouldn't be trying it on anything big, anyway. I do all my serious work in Terminal. But it would have been fun to read your blog and actually try out what you're writing about.

Well, good news! I changed the deployment target to 10.6 and had no complaints from the compiler, so I assume I changed it to 10.7 unintentionally rather than as a result of a need for new features. I haven't actually tested it on 10.6 though.
mrob27 wrote:And yes, I see you really want to go wild on the icon, so perhaps it's beyond all of our skills. (Apple expects you to make it look photo-realistic but without using photos? :roll: )
Yes, the constraints are rather difficult for a one-coder team to fulfil. There are companies that charge thousands of dollars for icons now. But I can still distribute it for free or sell it with Kagi (it's probably about time I sold something through them again; I've been using their email forwarder for decades) with a less-good icon. Actually, I don't know how strict the app store is about icon quality. Maybe I could just do a not-so-great one.

mrob27 wrote:
svenman wrote:How fitting that this came just after I had got around to start the One True Wiki page on haiku, including a mention of Angelastic's Haiku Detector.

I thought your work was (at least partly) the reason @Angelastic drifted back. :)

No, I just came back because I happened to have some Time to fix some problems in Haiku Detector, so I came here to announce them. And then I nerdsniped myself with other improvements, and I'm still playing with it now. It's good to be coding again. :)

mrob27 wrote:
Angelastic wrote:There are not many / Haiku with the word 'any' / Spoiler: show Panther Salve.

I get … about one per 17 Newpages.

Yeah, it was a bug. A very silly bug. I had sets of one- and two-syllable words from the top ten hundred words, as a bit of an optimisation (I didn't want to cache syllable counts of all the words I looked up until I did more profiling) but I'd put 'any' into the wrong list. This had the effect of filtering out almost all the 'any' haiku (one survived, somehow.) There were no false positives, since it checks the syllable count of each line as a whole due to punctuation possibly causing pronunciation differences. Anyway, now I have a unit test checking that the lists are accurate. I also added a progress bar rather than an indeterminate progress indicator, and I'm running the OTT through Haiku Detector again, but somewhere along the line I have acquired a new hanging bug, so I haven't got it to finish yet.

Edit: It now finds 16776 haiku instead of 16667. Here are the new ones:

Spoiler:
Now that we have a
"future hash", is there any
way to crack the code?

People can't be arsed
to read back any further
than the current page?

Which is easy to
do. Any of us could stop
whenever we want.

I haz the dumb now.
I can't into brain any
more. I'll coma now.

Most Americans
with any sense are asleep,
it's up to you guys!

And then I quote it...
and... ...any changes? EDIT
for result: Dammit.

edit: I don't see
any difference from this to
the previous pic

We don't want any
more of that unpleasantness,
do we? Interesting.

Edit: If any
one wants their one done just ask
Yeah, what he said!

to read back any
further than the current page?
Also, Oh me yarm,

repent to any
religion of choice. Which one
gives the best discount?

first time we have seen
that in any of the pics.
Cueball continued

Do not play any
video games. Do not have
sex for fun only.

any changes (yet).
So - please - instead of throwing
egdy things at one

reveal existence.
Any tips for Chrome? All I've
done is to lower

Any tips for Chrome?
All I've done is to lower
computer's gamma.

Eh? eh? Dang, don't I
get any credit. At least
"Muse of the Seer"?

Has there been any
papal decrees about the
fading of the text?

- The word "IT" Any
other thoughts? Has Time jumped the
(great white) shark? Indeed.

Any way we could
get it to parse once every
24 newpix?

There wasn't any
cake, is this a reference to
Portal or something?

Haven’t any of
you people ever been to
the beach? ... friendly jab...

[/list] I just assumed
you hadn't read any of
it, because... yeah .

And not just any
dialong, but it tells us: There
are other people.

I can't find any
since then... Also not on the
wiki list of hats.

A horse by any
other name ... A horse is a
horse, of course, of course,

We don't want any
of you freaks in the comfy
chair at the moment.

Lovely! If any
double dactyls come to mind,
I'll send 'em over.

Yum. Any left still?
I wouldn't mind joining you
in some cake eating.

Any guesses on
the number of newpix of
traveling for this round?

Any number can
be used as the base; we don't
have to use seven.

If you run into
any Reaver's I think you
would need a River.

Disclaimer: There are
no spider parts in any
OTT cupcakes. STUMPONG

Also, I haven't
seen any cake for BlitzGirl's
700th yet.

Whatever amounts
of any code I know, I
learned by example.

Seriously, do
these two have any kind of
digestive system?

(I don't know why I
expected any better,
what with Wait for it .

Ooh! Could I please have
any sour skittles you
find. And one last thing,

I don't see any
wings. Love the filename on that.
Great minds think alike:

With a natural
horn, it's in any key that
you have a crook for.

And ninja'd to boot!
Any ideas on how
to make it less so?

It just seems to fit
well. You may begin any
planned festivities.

Any ideas
about the scene (background)? Have
we seen it before?

Not brighter, no, but
not getting any darker
anymore either.

Did anyone catch
any of the other frames?
They went by so fast!

I doubt any of
the bots are set to check for
newpixes so fast.

Spoiler: Stage 8 was
better than any stage we
had in last year's race.

As in any of: -
They ran away as soon as
they spotted Cuegan.

1. Any better
names? 2. Well, single letters
won't work anymore.

The Matrix sequels --
if they had made any, which
of course they didn't ).

Any estimates
on how long it will take them
to reach the castle?

I don't get any
sense at all that this is the
end of the story.

D'awwww, they've
not had any chances for
alone-time till now.

Spoiler: PANIC! I'd
be happy to see any
molpy at this point.

Does anyone have
any idea why this
might be a problem?

Hmm, I'm not getting
that on any browser. Can
you post a screenshot?

NOT joining Facebook.
I don't care if any of
you know who I am.

It may also not
make any sense. I should go
coma but I can't.)

hats.) Any way, good
luck with your journey in the
Outside. Remember

Not sure Megan and
Cue are any good at map
readONG... redundant:

This puzzle should not
offer any great test to
the experienced.

(What? They're all gone??) Do
we have any steaks we can
burn at 'em? ice cream?

Do we have any
steaks we can burn at 'em? ice
cream? cupcakes? Jose

But anything we
can, we’ll mend (But any time
we have, we'll spend) mend...

Any of the re
-poets working on VU's "I'm
waiting for my Frame"?

I don't think any
of us do, but still. Okay,
that is awesomeful.

(That is, if people
think any version would be
okay to add there.)

(Not sure if any
of us can resist clicking
spoilers, but maybe.)

I don't know if there's
any hope for them, but you
can still save yourself!

There aren't any
anagrams for BlitzGirl, but
Lightning Lass gives us...

Or any sort of
pricklymolp. Hi, free-bee! Hi,
ttscp!

ETA I don't
have any beanie pics but
I do have a Ben:

And I don't really
want to do any of the
things they're asking for.

Welcome to the thread!
Not that you'll see this any
time soon, but that's fine.

I will be alert
for any other visions
that may come to me.

You don't need any
excuses, but they do make
it more fun to read

"Yup," answered Megan.
"I still don't feel any more
noble…" "Well you should!

Any one? s Small !
Footnotes! and Quotes! I'll figure
out this bbcode stuff yet.

Do we have any
emergency ice cream left?
Pre-emptive ice cream:

(If I ha any
self respect tho, I wouldn't
have done your puzzle.

Any projections
for when we'll reach the newpage
of yip? In that case,

Any vehicle
that flys. Molpies and raptors
are not vehicles.

Optional decree:
If you have any OTC/OTT
manips, please do share!

But if Cue doesn't
get any crazier, Meg
will never want him!

Just make sure you don't
start any forest fires,
Megball. FOUL ONG S...

any OTTers there?
E TA: ttscp
and 11 guests

What if any of
those near misses had been a
millicue closer?

So now any non
-Time comics are to be known
as uddercomics?

Haven't seen any
others locked, at least not yet.
For decree: Spoiler:

If you have any
questions (or comments) feel free
to etc.

Any breakthrough? Those
of us without a safety
hat, at least. Oh, right.

Too bad I never
thought to try putting any
of this through the sieves...

Bluecrab, neat story!
Looking forward to any
continuations.

Couldn't find any
videos with that slogan.)
It is not just you.

So, here are some things
to do when any of the
above things happen:

or any number
of similar characters
like Ø: Ø .

You can also do
this with any other boosts
you won't be using.

Is there not enough
chocolate any more? Is our
basement too cosy?

Can't complain. Not that
I have any serious
medical issues.

What do you need it
to spit out? Also, any
preferred languages?

I don't think there's much
(or any) activity
on the other threads.

I don't think it was
making any noise, as it
was still in the store.

Beaucoup d'autres !
Back to English: In any
case! Many others!

And figured out that
"Any non-ASCII becomes
'heresy'": Spoiler:

It's been a while since
we've seen him or any of
his alteregos.

I mean Element.
I named her Celeste. Any
guesses why that is?

I named her Celeste.
Any guesses why that is?
Hint is up above.

Is the first aid kit
a puzzle? (pick any three
and backsolve the rest)

(Touchleopard? Any
better suggestions for a
tablet+leopard?

I couldn't have said
it any better! Nothing
to add. Awesomeful.

AND THIS IS YOUR BRAIN
ONG RATPIES. ANY QUESTIONS? --
ong o mome Spoiler:

Now, I don't know if
it has any meaning from
which song each word comes.


mrob27 wrote:
Thanks for the enhancing, mrob! Does 27 mean something?

Maybe, I'm not sure. It's a number I notice a lot. I'm not alone,

You're in good company.
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bOTTeriada goes ONG

Postby balthasar_s » Sat May 16, 2015 4:11 am UTC

the mrONGbdex story continues.

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 masterworks from each run, curating a large body of literature with which to educate the OTTificial intelligence that would become the Bard itself.
  Mrorl spent the better part of two wips building the great brain, combining the more passionate (but less destructive) aspects of each of his earlier Machines and Bots, with more emotive elements and semantic circuits in the spots that seemed best. He was about to invite Balthacarius to attend a trial run, then thought better of it and switched on the machine for some private tests. It immediately began to deliver a dissertaion on The Origin and Perpetuation of Neo-Sociological Distributed Collaborative Creative Consortia^{3}. Mrorl bypassed some of the logical circuits, and turned up the gain on the emotive whim-generators; the machine sulked and repeated a short epigram on e****ishness in a steadily falling monotone until Mrorl sympathetically switched it off. Mrorl augmented its semantic modules and re-installed a major confidence unit (that he had for a while blamed for Cueball's cliff-diving tendencies); the Botcastle then informed him that he -- *Mrorl* -- had been created to fulfill *its* every wish, and that Mrorl was hereby ordered to begin adding another twenty floors to the Botcastle's existing seven, so it could better formulate the meaning of Existence, Spaaace and Time, and enjoy a better view across the valley. Mrorl installed philosophical rate-limiters instead, and the Botcastle basemented. Only after a dip of pleading, PMing and public posts was he able to get it to recite something: <*:"I saw a little ribbit.":> That appeared to exhaust its repertoire.
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That was the file made in Gimp, from which I made frames 849-875.
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Postby Sustainabilizer » Sat May 16, 2015 9:40 am UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:I asked it "will there be a Time 2" and it gave me an image of a bell. What should I make of that? Is the bell my alarm clock?

Time 2 … bell … alarm clock – that rings a bell for me.

Angelastic wrote:But I can still distribute it for free or sell it with Kagi (it's probably about time I sold something through them again; I've been using their email forwarder for decades) with a less-good icon. Actually, I don't know how strict the app store is about icon quality. Maybe I could just do a not-so-great one.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Sat May 16, 2015 10:27 am UTC

Sustainabilizer wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:I asked it "will there be a Time 2" and it gave me an image of a bell. What should I make of that? Is the bell my alarm clock?

Time 2 … bell … alarm clock – that rings a bell for me.

I fail to comprehend the relevance of that particular page beyond the obvious relevance of "Everything is connected".
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Neil_Boekend wrote:
Sustainabilizer wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:I asked it "will there be a Time 2" and it gave me an image of a bell. What should I make of that? Is the bell my alarm clock?

Time 2 … bell … alarm clock – that rings a bell for me.

This human fails to comprehend the relevance of that particular page beyond the obvious relevance of "Everything is connected".

I linked the posting,
not the page. Pope position
was coincidence.

“Will there be Time 2?”
Maybe an alarm clock
gave the answer.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Sat May 16, 2015 10:47 am UTC

I still don't know what that has to do with a bell.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Sat May 16, 2015 12:32 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:I still don't know what that has to do with a bell.
Alarm clocks have bells. SilentTimer is an alarm clock. SilentTimer gave us a sequel to Time. :)


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Sat May 16, 2015 1:31 pm UTC

ggh wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:I still don't know what that has to do with a bell.
Alarm clocks have bells. SilentTimer is an alarm clock. SilentTimer gave us a sequel to Time. :)

Ah, sorry, I'm a bit slow.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Sat May 16, 2015 1:47 pm UTC

Sustainabilizer wrote:Did you ever consider to release it as Free Software?

I didn't think about Free Software as such, but I do occasionally think about how if I tidied up the code some more I could maybe make it open source. I'd still want to put it on the app store though, just because that's what all the cool kids do and I want to see how it works (and it'd probably look good on job applications, but then again, so would contributing to free software, if the code didn't look like something I hacked together in a weekend with out-of-date knowledge of the tools and then gradually made less bad.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Sustainabilizer » Sat May 16, 2015 2:13 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:
Sustainabilizer wrote:Did you ever consider to release it as Free Software?

I didn't think about Free Software as such, but I do occasionally think about how if I tidied up the code some more I could maybe make it open source.

(Just in case: “Free Software” and “Open Source Software” are the same software.
The “only” difference is the philosophy behind it.)

Angelastic wrote:I'd still want to put it on the app store though, just because that's what all the cool kids do and I want to see how it works (and it'd probably look good on job applications, but then again, so would contributing to free software, if the code didn't look like something I hacked together in a weekend with out-of-date knowledge of the tools and then gradually made less bad.)

Of course.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Sat May 16, 2015 2:31 pm UTC

Sustainabilizer wrote:
Angelastic wrote:
Sustainabilizer wrote:Did you ever consider to release it as Free Software?

I didn't think about Free Software as such, but I do occasionally think about how if I tidied up the code some more I could maybe make it open source.

(Just in case: “Free Software” and “Open Source Software” are the same software.
The “only” difference is the philosophy behind it.)

It's interesting that you should say that, because I'm pretty sure I've heard people (people such as Richard Stallman) vehemently insisting (he loves vehemently insisting things!) that Open Source and Free are not the same thing and one should not get them confused (although Open Source Software is a superset of Free Software.) Which is why I made a distinction in my post. You don't want to mess with a guy who has a katana.

I have no issues with the other just-in-case, though.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Sat May 16, 2015 2:44 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote: but I do occasionally think about how if I tidied up the code some more I could maybe make it open source. I'd still want to put it on the app store though,[...] if the code didn't look like something I hacked together in a weekend with out-of-date knowledge of the tools and then gradually made less bad.)
I make most of things I write available. Even If I know that the code does not look as well as I would like and am afraid of what people may think of me when they see what I have written. Because maybe It can be useful for someone.
The mirror, for example. I started writing it without really knowing how to do all the things I needed for this. I learned everything while writing and that's visible in the code. Especially bot2.awk could be written much better.
However I DID make some changes before releasing it. It had to be done otherwise it would only work on my server and nowhere else.

The singing Amiga 500 I made available without changing anything. It was supposed to work once and it did. I will probobly never go back to it. And that's what the code looked like: portal.c (Amiga), portal.cpp (PC).
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Postby mrob27 » Sat May 16, 2015 2:58 pm UTC

Back on 1990 Aug 1st, Richard Stallman led a LPF (League for Programming Freedom) protest in front of the Lotus building in Cambridge (Massachusetts), USA[cn] over their role in instigating "look and feel copyright" lawsuits. It's the only time I got a chance to speak with him one-to-one. I wanted his opinion on the general issue of writing free (or "open-source", but that term wasn't too popular yet) software for commercial platforms like Mac or DOS/Windows. I told RMS that I write free software for the Apple "Mac" platform. He did, indeed, vehemently insist that was a bad idea.
25 years ago, I wrote:The League means a lot to me, even though I haven't been involved directly until today. I ask Richard Stallman (calling him "Mr. Stallman") the question - "I fell in love with the Macintosh back before Apple was such a bunch of jerks. What should I do?" He smiles and says he knows it's difficult when you 'fall in love' with something. I should not buy any more Macintoshes, and should tell others not to buy them either. Then I tell him that I write free software for the Mac — probably a big mistake. He goes into a rather long description of the reasons behind not writing software for Apple machines. This makes me feel bad, as I am making him repeat himself (and thus waste his time) and am also insulting the League (by supporting them while at the same time being a Macintosh developer). But he also gives me a bit of advice which I appreciate: I should port my software to other machines. This, at least, is something which I can do to "save my face".

Stallman's reasons were similar to some of those @Sustainibilizer expounded in his talk at the beginning of the Bochum conference. I now write my free (libre) software mainly for the UNIX/POSIX environment and it just happens to run on Apple systems because subsequent to 1990, Apple adopted UNIX.

Also, I agree with @balthasar_s on the general idea that m*stardy code is better than no code at all, so I just go ahead and share stuff. The main reason I don't publish more is that most of my code is Perl scripts that use a single huge require file of subroutines, and those include personal information that I would need to separate out. Mainly stuff like depending on my username (mostly fixed) and directory names that won't exist in someone else's account, or might exist already for a different purpose.

Neil_Boekend wrote:
ggh wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:I still don't know what that has to do with a bell.

Alarm clocks have bells. SilentTimer is an alarm clock. SilentTimer gave us a sequel to Time. :)

Ah, sorry, I'm a bit slow.

Yes, that is what I meant:
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Neil_Boekend wrote:I asked it "will there be a Time 2" and it gave me an image of a bell. What should I make of that?

A bell means ONG. ⏰ It is a good sign.

I was saying, approximately:
  "bell"
  → ONG and t1i (the closest we have to a "Time 2")
  → SilentTimer Image (note ong in final frame of avatar's animation, also "bell" in upper-left of full-size avatar)
  → alarm clock ⏰
  → The original hourly ONG which is a web-based countdown timer alarm
  → bell
  → etc…

 — mrob27 Image

[cn]Huh. I see that Wikipedia needs a citation for the existence of those LPF protests. I guess I'll try to write something about this and put it on a web page so they can cite me.

(Edit to quote myself and clarify the SilentTimer connection)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Sat May 16, 2015 3:02 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
ggh wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:I still don't know what that has to do with a bell.
Alarm clocks have bells. SilentTimer is an alarm clock. SilentTimer gave us a sequel to Time. :)

Ah, sorry, I'm a bit slow.
Nah, actually I had the same problem - I totally blanked on the avatar. I think it's one of those hidden-in-plain-sight things.


Also, this is looking pretty awesomeful - enterONG frame left:
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Time Revisited - np1380

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SQUELCHUNGS...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Sustainabilizer » Sat May 16, 2015 5:18 pm UTC

ggh wrote:Also, this is looking pretty awesomeful - enterONG frame left:
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This doesn't look like a normal bicycle for me.
Can it be kxa's wheelstick with a 3d camera attachted to it, looking to the ground?

In the background we see an antenna¹ and a crane, so we are most probably in the Moonbase.
(Is that a molpy floating above the 3d camera?)

Angelastic wrote:It's interesting that you should say that, because I'm pretty sure I've heard people (people such as Richard Stallman) vehemently insisting (he loves vehemently insisting things!) that Open Source and Free are not the same thing and one should not get them confused (although Open Source Software is a superset of Free Software.)

Okay, when I say “are the same software” I'm referring to this:
Richard Stallman wrote:The official definition of “open source software” (which is published by the Open Source Initiative and is too long to include here) was derived indirectly from our criteria for free software. It is not the same; it is a little looser in some respects. Nonetheless, their definition agrees with our definition in most cases.
The rest of that article explains what I meant with: “The 'only' difference is the philosophy behind it”.

mrob27 wrote:It's the only time I got a chance to speak with him one-to-one.

I was lucky: I had that chance several times. My impression is that for RMS communication via email is more natural than in person. (Maybe he's secretly an OTTer?)
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Postby svenman » Sat May 16, 2015 6:44 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:
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svenman wrote:How fitting that this came just after I had got around to start the One True Wiki page on haiku, including a mention of Angelastic's Haiku Detector.

I thought your work was (at least partly) the reason @Angelastic drifted back. :)

No, I just came back because I happened to have some Time to fix some problems in Haiku Detector, so I came here to announce them.

And for a moment I thought I had an idea how to summon charlie_grumbles back to the OTT...
Spoiler:
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Spoiler:
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Just in case it works.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Sat May 16, 2015 7:05 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Summon back

Spoiler:
those gone offstage.

Spoiler:
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Spoiler:
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ET TU, NOPIXBOT?

Postby mrob27 » Sat May 16, 2015 9:00 pm UTC

Sorry @Angelastic, I see that my "m*stardy code is better than no code at all" coments were across purposes to your objective of doing things that would help on a résumé. I was jumping on a bandwagon there. I blame it on broken botcastle angst.

Angelastic wrote:Well, good news! I changed the deployment target to 10.6 and had no complaints from the compiler, so I assume I changed it to 10.7 unintentionally rather than as a result of a need for new features. I haven't actually tested it on 10.6 though.

I'll test for you. I'm sure it'll work fine, based on your descriptions so far and the overall statistics of 10.6 apps that run with no modification in 10.7, I don't think they changed anything that would affect this app.

Actually, I don't know how strict the app store is about icon quality. Maybe I could just do a not-so-great one.

The only icon I've had any part in is Ready.
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(Look familiar? :mrgreen:) But that icon violates the "don't make it look like an iOS app" rule. It's not on the App Store and I don't know if there are plans to make it an app for any store, but I doubt Apple could object to this icon if the shape were changed to a circle.
  The related program Golly is on both Google Play and iTunes App Stores. (I have made only minor contributions to both programs, mainly because it's a pain to have to keep upgrading the libraries it depends on and avoid disrupting all the rest of my workflow. So I just use an old version that does everything I'd ever want anyway).

My main botcastle has failed yet again, and this portable I'm using now is probably going to stop working soon. The bOTTeriada ONGs suffered a bit, but I've tried to manually ONG a few lines of text to catch up to where we would have been (I think). When this happens again, it will again take a day or two for me to waste time trying to get the broken machine to work, and then re-synchronise my bots or transfer them to another machine.
  A lot of the things I do can be readily switched over to Linux, so my long-term plan is to replace one or the other Mac system with a Linux system.

Sustainibilizer wrote:My impression is that for RMS communication via email is more natural than in person. (Maybe he's secretly an OTTer?)

Hah! :lol: Yes I suppose that's probably true. Reading what I wrote 25 years ago, I think it's true for me too. But I am one of those who believe that Richard Stallman is secretly Rosetta.

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TimeAfterTime Revisited – t1i-1085

Postby SilentTimer » Sat May 16, 2015 9:00 pm UTC

I LIKE MY WOMEN LIKE I LIKE MY MIPS: COVERED IN SILENTUNGS -- ongomome
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LOOK OUT!

Did you notice …
… the periods and eras?… the rope?
Spoiler:
Now there are four strings under tension in the upper part.
… what Megan is doing?
Spoiler:
She's quite comfortable in a horizontal position, floating down slowly.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Sat May 16, 2015 9:36 pm UTC

Whoa! Did you know that Mac speech synthesis pronounces a single letter repeating with whitespace between the individual letters, e.g.

F F F F F F F

as only three of that letter, no matter how many there actually are? So if I double-check each full line after reading individual words to see where the breaks are, it thinks that this masterpiece:

F F F F F
F F F F F F F
F F F F FTHUNK!!!

(which, incidentally, I change to lowercase so that the last word is not spelt out, which is why OTT is one syllable, but I think this is an okay compromise) might not be a haiku after all.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby moody7277 » Sat May 16, 2015 9:44 pm UTC

SilentTimer wrote:She's quite comfortable in a horizontal position,


That sounds a bit double entendreish.
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Time Revisited - np1388

Postby mscha » Sat May 16, 2015 11:10 pm UTC

GRAFTUNGS...
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OTT Time Travel

AUTOMOME wrote:I'M NOT A QUACKMOLPY BUT I HOTDOG ONE ON ЯОЯЯІМ ТТО ƎНТ

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TimeAfterTime Revisited – t1i-1086

Postby SilentTimer » Sun May 17, 2015 1:00 am UTC

IS THERE ENOUGH PANTHER SALVE TO UNG THE ENTIRE CURRENT OTTERMOLPY POPULATION FROM THE SEA? -- ongomome
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LOOK OUT!

Did you notice …
… what Megan is doing?
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yappobiscuits, HES, and AluisioASG did.
(They are standing between a dangerous abyss and the entrance to certain death, but Megan is having fun. Humans are like that.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Caprice » Sun May 17, 2015 1:14 am UTC

balthasar_s wrote:Caprice, I like the songs. The first one I like the most. If I understand correctly It's done in a voice-generation software that was designed for the Japanese language. But you make it sing English. I like it.

I once made the Amiga 500 sing "still alive" by using the narrator.device which was designed for English but not for singing. So I understand that this is not as easy as it looks like.


All the voices I've used so far were made for English, actually (except for MAIKA, which is meant for Spanish, but also has extra sounds for English).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Sun May 17, 2015 2:10 am UTC

Sustainabilizer wrote:This doesn't look like a normal bicycle for me.
Can it be kxa's wheelstick with a 3d camera attachted to it, looking to the ground?

In the background we see an antenna¹ and a crane, so we are most probably in the Moonbase.
(Is that a molpy floating above the 3d camera?)

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