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1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:15 am UTC
by Quicksilver
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http://xkcd.com/1197/
Alt Text:"ALERT: Some pending mandatory software updates require version 21.1.2 of the Oracle/Sun Java(tm) JDK(tm) Update Manager Runtime Environment Meta-Updater, which is not available for your platform."
I lol'd more than I should have. Can't remember the last time I used the Download Manager though.

Re: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:17 am UTC
by rhomboidal
If it also requires the .NET Framework, I'm going to shoot my computer.

Re: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:19 am UTC
by nit_picker
The best satire is indistinguishable from reality. In this case, they're literally one and the same.

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(On a more serious note, does Adobe realize how counter-productive this is to security? I've disabled Adobe Updater precisely because of how annoying it is, security be damned. It's akin to overzealous password policies that backfire by causing users to write down their passwords.)

Re: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:24 am UTC
by dbam987
Words can't describe how annoyed I was (keyword "was") at the constant update reminders for Adobe's Flash and downloader stuff. Ended up uninstalling everything Adobe and have been happy ever since. Never really used Flash much to begin with. Also, everything Java is uninstalled now.

Re: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:06 am UTC
by motiz88
Yo dawg... etc.

Re: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:32 am UTC
by Rikeus
Comic number should be in thread title. Reminds me of how every single game on Steam forces you to install Directx and .NET even if you already have the latest version, and it always takes way too long.

Re: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:43 am UTC
by JustDoug
This is the first time I can truthfully say, "GOOMHR!" The paranoia is further reinfoced by an almost identical situation going on here right now, albeit on a VM. It isn't Adobe (this time), but I do have a suspiciously similar Java error popping up when the updater tries to update so it can update an application.

Re: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:09 am UTC
by San Fran Sam
Oh yeah. Been there. Done that. Threw the computer out the window.

Re: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:17 am UTC
by Fire Brns
I hate the constant updates of Adobe as well. If you don't do it when you are asked to then half the internet stops working and every poorly secured site tries to install a virus because one day the entire internet decided to use a system anyone can exploit.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:03 am UTC
by Linux0s
I've been on this mobius ride!

But probably my "favorite" Adobe annoyance is when you launch InDesign and it throws up the dialog:

Adobe InDesign would like to use the font (some random font) which is not installed on your system.
_ Allow
_ Deny

Well if it's not installed on my system, how... and why...

You just really want to click Allow and go "So what did that do for you, dumbass!" although I'm sure InDesign would have the last laugh.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:12 am UTC
by danj2k
Not particularly useful for home users, but in corporate environments it's possible to publish Adobe updates via Windows Server Update Services (WSUS) using a seemingly-little-known function called local update publishing, for which there is an open-source utility called Local Update Publisher. I've tried it out at my work (as the Adobe updates are a problem for us also) and it works great. Apparently it's not yet compatible with Server 2012/WSUS 4.0 though so if you do use it, stick to Server 2008 R2 and WSUS 3.0 with the latest service packs.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:22 am UTC
by Pfhorrest
Oh man, this is ironic timing:

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Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:45 am UTC
by Vroomfundel
My pet peeve is the Adobe Reader update - it's a bloody PDF reader, why does it need updating so often? It's not like the PDF format changes so much or that it's a major security threat

Re: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:53 am UTC
by Dottn
Rikeus wrote:Comic number should be in thread title. Reminds me of how every single game on Steam forces you to install Directx and .NET even if you already have the latest version, and it always takes way too long.

Steam installing at least DirectX at "first time launch" is due to how DirectX handles version checking. You can not ensure you have the correct version of DirectX unless you attempt to install it. Presumably, the .NET framework works in a similiar way.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:04 am UTC
by Mercurywoodrose
What i am looking for is a program which will check to make sure the code which allows me to download new updates to the Adobe Update Downloader (part of the Adobe Update Manager software), is fully up to date. Does anyone know where the download code updater for the new update download updater of the Adobe Update Downloader section of the Adobe Update Manager is? and do i need to download any special software to run the download code updater for the new update download updater of the Adobe Update Downloader section of the Adobe Update Manager? And if it exists, where would i find the software update download for the download code updater for the new update download updater of the Adobe Update Downloader section of the Adobe Update Manager? I need to write a note to my wife to remind her to buy broccoli, and need to make sure the formatting of the note is compatible with her computer's OS.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:12 am UTC
by ghlargh
This reminds me of when microsoft released an update to windows installer, packaged with the same version of windows installer. This generated a hilarious error message telling the user that the version of windows installer they were trying to install required the version of windows installer they were trying to install...

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:24 am UTC
by niky
First thing I turn off when buying a new computer... Java and Adobe Download Management.

Then I spend the next few weeks fighting with websites I can't view... whoops.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:30 am UTC
by Rombobjörn
I am so happy that all of the operating systems I use have a central package manager that handles all updates for the entire system, and lets me install the updates when it's convenient for me.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:52 am UTC
by Mirkwood
niky wrote:First thing I turn off when buying a new computer... Java and Adobe Download Management.


Instead of turning them off, why don't you avoid installing them in the first place :p

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:01 am UTC
by Game_boy
Vroomfundel wrote:My pet peeve is the Adobe Reader update - it's a bloody PDF reader, why does it need updating so often? It's not like the PDF format changes so much or that it's a major security threat


Actually, it IS a major security threat, because it has so many executable and internet-enabled features that no one uses but can be enabled by malware.

I now use Chrome PDF reader because it ONLY READS PDFs and doesn't try to be a complete software platform.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:20 am UTC
by teelo
I've actually seen this happen with Starcraft II. "Updating Blizzard Update Manager".

Updatecception!

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:28 am UTC
by mojacardave
Pfhorrest wrote:Oh man, this is ironic timing:


Not really - since Adobe updates pop up almost daily, it barely even qualifies as a coincidence.

I really REALLY wish that I could just tick a box to "trust" all Adobe downloads, let them happen in the background, and never be bothered by them again.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:13 am UTC
by ghlargh
mojacardave wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:Oh man, this is ironic timing:


Not really - since Adobe updates pop up almost daily, it barely even qualifies as a coincidence.

I really REALLY wish that I could just tick a box to "trust" all Adobe downloads, let them happen in the background, and never be bothered by them again.


Or just "Distrust all software from Adobe Corporation - Never install updates from this vendor"

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:24 am UTC
by mojacardave
ghlargh wrote:
mojacardave wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:Oh man, this is ironic timing:


Not really - since Adobe updates pop up almost daily, it barely even qualifies as a coincidence.

I really REALLY wish that I could just tick a box to "trust" all Adobe downloads, let them happen in the background, and never be bothered by them again.


Or just "Distrust all software from Adobe Corporation - Never install updates from this vendor"


Nah - Flash is shit but very useful for some sites, and I need the full version of Acrobat for my job, along with some more specialised Adobe software. I'm not paranoid: Adobe is a massive, regulated organisation and I've no qualms about installing anything they push out. I just wish I didn't have to manually go through the process every other day.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:33 am UTC
by nitio
It may have been a coincidence (right.) but no love for Rush around here on the alt text? :)

Re: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:36 am UTC
by Vroomfundel
Dottn wrote:Steam installing at least DirectX at "first time launch" is due to how DirectX handles version checking. You can not ensure you have the correct version of DirectX unless you attempt to install it. Presumably, the .NET framework works in a similiar way.


Offtopic, but no - it doesn't. The .NET Framework is quite big (50MB) - it would be be pretty dumb to have to download it in order to check if it's already there.


Mirkwood wrote:Actually, it IS a major security threat, because it has so many executable and internet-enabled features that no one uses but can be enabled by malware.

I now use Chrome PDF reader because it ONLY READS PDFs and doesn't try to be a complete software platform.


Bloody hell, does it? I should have known better - I've actually written software to generate PDFs - but only static documents, obviously. But apparently those executable extensions haven't quite picked up, I've never seen any rich content in PDF apart from forms to fill - which can only be printed, nothing more.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:38 am UTC
by khakipuce
So you click "download" and instead of an apology that they needed to update their poorly written software instead you get to sign away any rights you ever had to life an liberty by accepting a 257 page license agreement for an update to an updater that you never wanted in the first place.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:43 am UTC
by shiling
Game_boy wrote:I now use Chrome PDF reader because it ONLY READS PDFs and doesn't try to be a complete software platform.

YEA, i second that!

That's why I also love using the preview app in macs, simply does just what I need it to do, doesn't need annoy me to update all the time. Too bad I can't do anything about the Flash Player updates... :(

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:04 pm UTC
by Draco18s
Game_boy wrote:
Vroomfundel wrote:My pet peeve is the Adobe Reader update - it's a bloody PDF reader, why does it need updating so often? It's not like the PDF format changes so much or that it's a major security threat


Actually, it IS a major security threat, because it has so many executable and internet-enabled features that no one uses but can be enabled by malware.


I wrote a flash web application that opened a PDF inside itself.

I then embedded it inside the PDF it was told to open.

Promptly crashed Firefox, plugin container be damned.

(There may have been a third step, of embedding the HTML page that loaded the flash content inside the PDF, I don't recall exactly, but I was most amused at the time).

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:14 pm UTC
by djn
I did once notice a systray icon for an updater I hadn't seen before - I think it was "Installshield Updater", though it doesn't matter. It had a context menu which took me to a list of the software it was trying to keep update, containing exactly one item, which was of course itself. I was mildly impressed.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:37 pm UTC
by RogueCynic
I downloaded Opera on a new computer 6 months ago and started getting the update message about 3. I updated and am now getting an update message again. I cannot find the update manager to uninstall it. Why do companies require you to update when only minor revisions are offered?

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:41 pm UTC
by niky
Mirkwood wrote:
niky wrote:First thing I turn off when buying a new computer... Java and Adobe Download Management.


Instead of turning them off, why don't you avoid installing them in the first place :p


Two words: bundled software.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:06 pm UTC
by Story
Vroomfundel wrote:My pet peeve is the Adobe Reader update - it's a bloody PDF reader, why does it need updating so often? It's not like the PDF format changes so much or that it's a major security threat


Actually, it is a major security threat. Even AR 11 has public exploits for it. Why Adobe made such a complex and buggy reader in the first place is a mystery though.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:16 pm UTC
by BAReFOOt
But… but… we have found a bug in the fix for the bug fix for that one bug from twenty years ago!


Don’t laugh. That actually happened with Microsoft.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:22 pm UTC
by BAReFOOt
niky wrote:
Mirkwood wrote:
niky wrote:First thing I turn off when buying a new computer... Java and Adobe Download Management.

Instead of turning them off, why don't you avoid installing them in the first place :p

Two words: bundled software.


I’m sorry, what? You use the pre-installed “OS” (for varying definitions of “OS”) as-is?
Without installing your own clean OS and software?

Then I must declare you clinically insane. Sorry. That’s just how it is.

It only takes three hours, with all the bells and whistles, including custom registry imports and changes and of course all your drivers and software. I know because I used to do it for all my friends. (Nowadays I only give support for Linux and similar ones [excluding Ubuntu and of course OS X].)

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:23 pm UTC
by BAReFOOt
A message to all Windows shops:

Get a damn package manager!

Other operating systems had them for more than a decade! Get with the times!

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:29 pm UTC
by Spoe
Story wrote:Why Adobe made such a complex and buggy reader in the first place is a mystery though.


I'd guess it's the usual story. They had a nice little PDF reader and someone (probably in marketing) said, "It'd be great if we added feature X!" where feature X is only tangentially related to document viewing. Then someone else wants to modify feature X by adding feature Y which is only tangentially related to feature X. Carry this over a few major releases and you can play games in a document viewer.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:44 pm UTC
by frissonic
"attention all planets of the solar federation, we have assumed control."

if you don't get the quote, the hint is in the comic's sub-text. i can't imagine that randall would have done that unintentionally.

also, first post. hi. :)

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:04 pm UTC
by Game_boy
Story wrote:
Vroomfundel wrote:My pet peeve is the Adobe Reader update - it's a bloody PDF reader, why does it need updating so often? It's not like the PDF format changes so much or that it's a major security threat


Actually, it is a major security threat. Even AR 11 has public exploits for it. Why Adobe made such a complex and buggy reader in the first place is a mystery though.


Not a mystery. They sell the expensive creation tools for the functionality to companies, who then know that everyone in the world has a client that supports the DRM/connectivity/playback features they need. It's just not useful to the end user.

Re: 1197: "All Adobe Updates"

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:09 pm UTC
by MadH
I require at least 4 programs of the adobe suite for my job. So not installing them is not an option for me. And I am certainly never going back to Quark or CorelDRAW or any of those clunky programs. See, the easy fix for the adobe download manager is to simply...turn it off. If your programs work fine, just turn it off. If they ever bug out, go in and check for an update. It's the first thing I do after installing my required computer programs on a fresh install. Haven't been bugged by it since.

Exploits...well, I haven't gotten a detectable piece of malware in 4 years. It helps if you don't just click willy-nilly on the first site listed after searching for something considered "questionable".