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1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby hujackus » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:53 am UTC

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Title text: The less popular 8.8.4.4 is slated for discontinuation.

As long as my random thought of the day site that uses the deprecated image api works, I'd be fine with this.
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby TV4Fun » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:00 am UTC

God bless Google DNS. Do they do other things as well?
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby keithl » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:53 am UTC

TV4Fun wrote:God bless Google DNS. Do they do other things as well?
They make a lot of steam.
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby ManaUser » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:53 am UTC

In fact, if Google really discontinued all their other services, I'd be a whole lot more comfortable with them knowing every single domain I visit on the internet. Until then it's a handy number to keep in mind for emergencies but I usually stick with what my ISP provides, since they know what I'm doing anyway.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby Lazy Tommy » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:55 am UTC

What, no mention of YouTube? I would have guessed that that alone sucks up more Internet bandwidth than any single other service.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby mrbaggins » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:04 am UTC

I don't get it.

I understand it, but I don't get it. Google will just try to farm data by making their DNS server amazing? That's all I get.
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby bachaddict » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:49 am UTC

mrbaggins wrote:I don't get it.

I understand it, but I don't get it. Google will just try to farm data by making their DNS server amazing? That's all I get.


I think it's just that 8.8.8.8 is not as well known compared to the other services, but still a large project.
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby Killerofsheep » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:29 am UTC

bachaddict wrote:
mrbaggins wrote:I don't get it.

I understand it, but I don't get it. Google will just try to farm data by making their DNS server amazing? That's all I get.


I think it's just that 8.8.8.8 is not as well known compared to the other services, but still a large project.

For the ignorant, i.e. me, what is the 8.8.8.8 project?

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby Goderic » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:38 am UTC

Killerofsheep wrote:
bachaddict wrote:
mrbaggins wrote:I don't get it.

I understand it, but I don't get it. Google will just try to farm data by making their DNS server amazing? That's all I get.


I think it's just that 8.8.8.8 is not as well known compared to the other services, but still a large project.

For the ignorant, i.e. me, what is the 8.8.8.8 project?

This might surprise you after reading the comic, but 8.8.8.8 is the public Google DNS server ip address.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby mcv » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:21 am UTC

mrbaggins wrote:I don't get it.

I understand it, but I don't get it. Google will just try to farm data by making their DNS server amazing? That's all I get.

My guess is that it's simply mocking all the idiotic "news" reports that claim Google is going to end a rather major and successful Google service because the reporters don't actually know or understand that service.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby Klear » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:09 am UTC

Goderic wrote:
Killerofsheep wrote:For the ignorant, i.e. me, what is the 8.8.8.8 project?

This might surprise you after reading the comic, but 8.8.8.8 is the public Google DNS server ip address.


Yeah, that. What is that?

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby solune » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:14 am UTC

Am I the only one who took this as a 2048 mind-bomb ?

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby Red Hal » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:23 am UTC

@solune, no.
@klear, Roughly, DNS is the service used to translate a hostname (www.xkcd.com, for example) into an ip address (107.6.106.82) so that your browser can give it to your protocol stack in a form it understands. A DNS server is a server that performs this translation (by querying other servers that know the answer then passing it back to you). Google's DNS server has the ip address 8.8.8.8 (and there's another one at 8.8.4.4) which makes it easy to remember.
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:28 am UTC

mrbaggins wrote:I don't get it.

I understand it, but I don't get it. Google will just try to farm data by making their DNS server amazing? That's all I get.


My "get it" interpretation is "XKCD: A webcomic of romance,
sarcasm, math, and language."
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby speising » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:36 pm UTC

i read it as a late response to the shutdown of google reader.
or did they recently announce the end of yet another product?

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby kasmeneo » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:40 pm UTC

Red Hal wrote:Google's DNS server has the ip address 8.8.8.8 (and there's another one at 8.8.4.4) which makes it easy to remember.


My first thought was it has something to do with Chinese numerology, with the 8 being a lucky and the 4 an unlucky number. Thus, logically, the 8.8.4.4 would be less popular, and they focus on 8.8.8.8 to target chinese markets. (bah, that sounds so sober for XKCD)
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby snowyowl » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:03 pm UTC

kasmeneo wrote:
Red Hal wrote:Google's DNS server has the ip address 8.8.8.8 (and there's another one at 8.8.4.4) which makes it easy to remember.


My first thought was it has something to do with Chinese numerology, with the 8 being a lucky and the 4 an unlucky number. Thus, logically, the 8.8.4.4 would be less popular, and they focus on 8.8.8.8 to target chinese markets. (bah, that sounds so sober for XKCD)

It might just be the most obvious number they could get.

If there's a special significance to the number 8, it's probably just it being a power of 2. Meaning, the base-2 representation of 8.8.8.8 is 0000 1000 0000 1000 0000 1000 0000 1000. I think that's pretty, but I'm a bit strange like that.
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby INTP » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:05 pm UTC

kasmeneo wrote:
Red Hal wrote:Google's DNS server has the ip address 8.8.8.8 (and there's another one at 8.8.4.4) which makes it easy to remember.


My first thought was it has something to do with Chinese numerology, with the 8 being a lucky and the 4 an unlucky number. Thus, logically, the 8.8.4.4 would be less popular, and they focus on 8.8.8.8 to target chinese markets. (bah, that sounds so sober for XKCD)


It's just that 8.8.8.8 is the primary server, due to being easier to remember. Naturally the secondary server is less popular than the first. That's part of the joke too, that they are discontinuing so much, even the less popular "version" of the same project.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby Jorpho » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:12 pm UTC

Does this mean Google had to license 8.8.8.8 somehow from BB&N Inc?
http://xkcd.com/195/

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby mcv » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:55 pm UTC

speising wrote:i read it as a late response to the shutdown of google reader.
or did they recently announce the end of yet another product?

Google didn't, but TechCrunch did. They announced the end of Google+, in complete absense of any supporting fact and counter to any information from anyone more knowledgeable. And surprisingly, a lot of news providers took the TechCrunch article seriously and spread the fake news even further.

Reputedly, TechCrunch has always hated Google+ for some reason, and apparently the author of the article has no actual experience using Google+. Here's an article ripping the TechCrunch article to pieces: http://mattcruikshank.blogspot.nl/2014_04_01_archive.html

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby orthogon » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:56 pm UTC

snowyowl wrote:If there's a special significance to the number 8, it's probably just it being a power of 2. Meaning, the base-2 representation of 8.8.8.8 is 0000 1000 0000 1000 0000 1000 0000 1000. I think that's pretty, but I'm a bit strange like that.

Personally, I find the decimal representation more beautiful. The binary has an annoying lack of symmetry.
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby mcv » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:04 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
snowyowl wrote:If there's a special significance to the number 8, it's probably just it being a power of 2. Meaning, the base-2 representation of 8.8.8.8 is 0000 1000 0000 1000 0000 1000 0000 1000. I think that's pretty, but I'm a bit strange like that.

Personally, I find the decimal representation more beautiful. The binary has an annoying lack of symmetry.

Maybe they should also run one on 8.8.16.16 for the binary afficianados.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:24 pm UTC

mcv wrote:
orthogon wrote:
snowyowl wrote:If there's a special significance to the number 8, it's probably just it being a power of 2. Meaning, the base-2 representation of 8.8.8.8 is 0000 1000 0000 1000 0000 1000 0000 1000. I think that's pretty, but I'm a bit strange like that.

Personally, I find the decimal representation more beautiful. The binary has an annoying lack of symmetry.

Maybe they should also run one on 8.8.16.16 for the binary afficianados.


Well, heck, why not 2.4.8.16 ,
or 13. 14 .10. 13 and 11. 14 .14. 15 ? :twisted:
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby suso » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:02 pm UTC

Jorpho wrote:Does this mean Google had to license 8.8.8.8 somehow from BB&N Inc?
http://xkcd.com/195/


Time for a bit of history. BB&N is actually BBN Technologies now and owned by Raytheon, but it stood for Bolt, Beranek and Newman. Although they are not a household name and even most geeks would not recognize them at first, this was the company that basically invented the Internet (Then called Arpanet) back in the 60s. They employed people like Bob Kahn, who worked with Vint Cerf to invent Internet Protocol, TCP and the network router. BBN also invented the use of the @ sign for e-mail addresses and even sent the first e-mail. They also held ASN numbers 1, 3 and 8, which you can basically think of an AS number as an IP address for a backbone router on the Internet. So they were obviously the first one involved.

Google probably just licensed the 8.8.8.8 IP because it was memorable and an 8 is kinda like an infinity sign turned on its side. They actually own that /24 block and also 8.8.4.0/24. If you look at whois data, the whole 8.0.0.0/8 block is now allocated to Level 3 Communications, if you read the Wikipedia article about BBN, it was because of spinoffs, mergers and bankruptcies over time that Level3 aquired this block.

There is a really great documentary from 1972 that is worth watching and gives historical insight into the Internet and BBN's involvement:

https://archive.org/details/ComputerNet ... rceSharing

IMHO, I don't think that users should be using 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as their every day DNS servers. Some argue that its a good option if your local DNS provider is not good, but I would say that this is a good reason to switch ISPs or complain about the poor DNS service. DNS was meant to be distributed and when you centralize it, it helps to undermine the concepts that the Internet was designed around.
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby Hiferator » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:59 pm UTC

mcv wrote:Google didn't, but TechCrunch did. [url=http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/24/google-is-walking-dead/]

Interesting; my first thought was that it was about Google+'s bad reputation and possible demands to cancel it alltogether by people who probably wouldn't be happy to go without many of the other services.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby mcv » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:29 pm UTC

Hiferator wrote:
mcv wrote:Google didn't, but TechCrunch did. [url=http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/24/google-is-walking-dead/]

Interesting; my first thought was that it was about Google+'s bad reputation and possible demands to cancel it alltogether by people who probably wouldn't be happy to go without many of the other services.


As far as I can tell, Google+'s bad reputation is mostly among tech journalist who don't use it and assume it's a "ghost town" because, well, they don't use it, so why would anyone else? (In fact, didn't that "ghost town" story also come from TechCrunch?) Google+ is pretty popular among the people who actually use it. And it's a safe haven for Facebook refugees.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby highnumber » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:59 pm UTC

If I may be so bold, I would say that part of the gag is how useful the 8.8.8.8 DNS project has been to barely techie folks who, for example, may have had trouble connecting their smart tv to the Internet when the wifi was connecting to their home network just fine and resetting everything didn't help at all but then after days and days of not being able to watch Doctor Who on Amazon Prime they finally stumbled across a fix that suggested directing the DNS to 8.8.8.8 and as silly as it seemed they tried it and they learned that it was one of Google's projects and they fell to their knees and shouted "Praise be unto Google for leading me out of the cursed darkness and back into the blessedly bigger on the inside light! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!"

That sort of experience could be playing into the gag. Or maybe it's just me.

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Postby suso » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:11 pm UTC

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby ilduri » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:18 pm UTC

Am I the only who with a background in liturgical music (by which I basically mean I grew up going to church and played music) who read 8.8.8.8 and thought, "hey, that's a hymn in long meter!" ?
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby rmsgrey » Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:57 pm UTC

What's wrong with 136.136.136.136? Which is 88.88.88.88 in Hex

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby CharonPDX » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:57 am UTC

When I first read it, I read too quickly. I went through the list...

Plus: "They didn't already? :-P"
Hangouts: "Um, no big deal."
Photos: "Eh, whatever."
Voice: "Slightly annoying."
Docs: "Not a big loss."
Drive: "Isn't that just Docs?"
Maps: "It's been going downhill."
Chrome: "Getting uppity, anyway."
Android: "Well, looks like Apple wins."
Search: "DuckDuckGo is better."
8.8.8.8: "NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!"

"Oh, wait, 8.8.8.8 is the one they're keeping. Whew."

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby addams » Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:36 am UTC

snowyowl wrote:
kasmeneo wrote:
Red Hal wrote:Google's DNS server has the ip address 8.8.8.8 (and there's another one at 8.8.4.4) which makes it easy to remember.


My first thought was it has something to do with Chinese numerology, with the 8 being a lucky and the 4 an unlucky number. Thus, logically, the 8.8.4.4 would be less popular, and they focus on 8.8.8.8 to target chinese markets. (bah, that sounds so sober for XKCD)

It might just be the most obvious number they could get.

If there's a special significance to the number 8, it's probably just it being a power of 2. Meaning, the base-2 representation of 8.8.8.8 is 0000 1000 0000 1000 0000 1000 0000 1000. I think that's pretty, but I'm a bit strange like that.

I also think the binary is pretty.
I like the eight because it uses all the lines in the readout.

When the readout broke down on old machines,
Very strange numbers were, sometimes, produced.
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby Jorpho » Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:24 am UTC

suso wrote:
Jorpho wrote:Does this mean Google had to license 8.8.8.8 somehow from BB&N Inc?
http://xkcd.com/195/


Time for a bit of history. BB&N is actually BBN Technologies now and owned by Raytheon, but it stood for Bolt, Beranek and Newman.
Good thing you posted, because I was otherwise just going to assume that it was Buckingham, Browne, & Nichols, which I guess has enough money to throw around to make purchases like that if they wanted to.

IMHO, I don't think that users should be using 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as their every day DNS servers. Some argue that its a good option if your local DNS provider is not good, but I would say that this is a good reason to switch ISPs or complain about the poor DNS service. DNS was meant to be distributed and when you centralize it, it helps to undermine the concepts that the Internet was designed around.
And yet, the popularity of OpenDNS endures.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby ShadedKnight » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:15 am UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKiggQZJVmc is what I thought of at first.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby Mirkwood » Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:01 pm UTC

As it happens, I had to switch to using Google DNS servers just yesterday, because my University (which is also my landlord) has started to implement censorship on the campus networks' default OpenDNS servers. Not that I'm overly fond of Google, but I will take a lack of trust with known functionality over a lack of trust with known dysfunctionality any day.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby grubernd » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:27 pm UTC

and as i was just made aware of, this comic has gone full circle:

Code: Select all

…$ dig +short TXT $(dig -x 8.8.8.8 +short)


sorry for the reverse-reverse coding.
the board would flag the message as spam if i tried to enter the real name of the google dns server.
and yes, it has a name. but it's not as beautiful as the quadruple of eights.

a decent enough reason to sign up here.

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby orthogon » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:27 am UTC

grubernd wrote:and as i was just made aware of, this comic has gone full circle:

Code: Select all

…$ dig +short TXT $(dig -x 8.8.8.8 +short)


sorry for the reverse-reverse coding.
the board would flag the message as spam if i tried to enter the real name of the google dns server.
and yes, it has a name. but it's not as beautiful as the quadruple of eights.

a decent enough reason to sign up here.

Here: google-public-dns-a.google.com (and 8.8.4.4 has dns-b).
Certainly not as beautiful. But I can't help feeling that if you need to use DNS to resolve the domain name to the address of the DNS server that you want to use to avoid DNS hijacking, you're probably doing something wrong...
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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby orion205 » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:00 pm UTC

grubernd wrote:and as i was just made aware of, this comic has gone full circle:

Code: Select all

…$ dig +short TXT $(dig -x 8.8.8.8 +short)


sorry for the reverse-reverse coding.
the board would flag the message as spam if i tried to enter the real name of the google dns server.
and yes, it has a name. but it's not as beautiful as the quadruple of eights.

a decent enough reason to sign up here.


Wait, so google put a link to this comic as a TXT record for their DNS server? Nice...

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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby xtifr » Thu May 01, 2014 2:59 am UTC

orion205 wrote:
Wait, so google put a link to this comic as a TXT record for their DNS server? Nice...


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Re: 1361: "Google Announcement"

Postby grubernd » Sat May 03, 2014 12:49 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:Here: google public dns a google com (and 8.8.4.4 has dns-b).
This message was flagged as spam and has been denied.

Certainly not as beautiful. But I can't help feeling that if you need to use DNS to resolve the domain name to the address of the DNS server that you want to use to avoid DNS hijacking, you're probably doing something wrong...

i sure dont want to.
but hey, if the board thinks i am not trustworthy enough to write or quote any link in a message,
i sure find a way to make that commandline work.

also it kinda fits the reference-selfreference circle that 8.8.8.8 and xkcd1361 now form.


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