1439: "Rack Unit"

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1439: "Rack Unit"

Postby Chris Dude70 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:07 am UTC

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Title Text: There's also nothing in the TOSes that says you can't let a dog play baseball in the server room!


Do you have any idea how hard it is to get honey out of the internet tubes?
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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Story » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:14 am UTC

What I'm wondering is how he managed to get past security in the first place.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby madaco » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:21 am UTC

relevant homestuck quote:

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby bachaddict » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:34 am UTC

I wonder how long it'll be before someone builds a beehive in an old server rack. It would have to lie on its back so the frames are vertical.
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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby rhomboidal » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:39 am UTC

This would explain why my Gmail inbox went down. And was clogged with bee pupae.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Garnett » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:03 am UTC

It's funny that the black hat choose Google for this prank, given that they already have onsite beehives.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Positron » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:42 am UTC

Garnett wrote:It's funny that the black hat choose Google for this prank, given that they already have onsite beehives.


Apparently not onsite enough for BHG's taste. Good to see him back in either case :D

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Djehutynakht » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:47 am UTC

With the serious threat of decline of the honeybees, I think this is one very important way that tech companies can commit to environmentally sound practices.

Right up there with the wolf-reintroduction program.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Wheeljack » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:51 am UTC

So that's what a honeypot is.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby da Doctah » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:03 am UTC

Don't tell me. BHG was the guy who decided that CDs, DVDs and Blu-ray discs should all have the same physical dimensions.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby teelo » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:18 am UTC

Theres probably just a catch-all in the TOS that it will fall into.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby sfmans » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:21 am UTC

Having been a musician for (even) longer than I've been in IT, I still think of 19 inch racks in terms of effects racks and digital sound modules, with rack servers being a subsidiary usage.

BHG could therefore relocate his hives to the backline of DSP-savvy guitarists like The Edge or Dave Gilmour.
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Or BHG could go and make albums with the Beeach Boys, or the Beeastie Boys, or Beeyonce.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Neil_Boekend » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:52 am UTC

da Doctah wrote:Don't tell me. BHG was the guy who decided that CDs, DVDs and Blu-ray discs should all have the same physical dimensions.

What's wrong with that? This way my blu-ray player can play all the older formats and my DVD player could play CD's. It saves a bunch of room in my devices stack.
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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby nigenet » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:24 am UTC

Story wrote:What I'm wondering is how he managed to get past security in the first place.

It's Black Hat Guy. It's probably best not to ask... ;-)
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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Envelope Generator » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:11 pm UTC

sfmans wrote:Having been a musician for (even) longer than I've been in IT, I still think of 19 inch racks in terms of effects racks and digital sound modules, with rack servers being a subsidiary usage.

BHG could therefore relocate his hives to the backline of DSP-savvy guitarists like The Edge or Dave Gilmour.
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Or BHG could go and make albums with the Beeach Boys, or the Beeastie Boys, or Beeyonce.


19" racks are soooo 1990's. Honeycombs in API Lunchbox size are where it's at.
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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:24 pm UTC

Only problem with the beehive/server colo plan is that servers like it cold while bees like it warm.
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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby gson » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:45 pm UTC

There are also racks of lamb, which are measured in ewes.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby CapCouillon » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:37 pm UTC

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby cellocgw » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:59 pm UTC

This strip reeks of the old refrain "But Mom, you didn't specifically say I couldn't do [fill in stupid activity]!"

I tried and failed to resist, so troll alert the question is maybe "do ToSes list everything allowed or everything disallowed? Kind of like the US Constitution only lists disallowed, and everything else is allowed..."
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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby rmsgrey » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:22 pm UTC

cjmcjmcjmcjm wrote:Only problem with the beehive/server colo plan is that servers like it cold while bees like it warm.


Beehives overheat at lower temperatures than servers do.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby cellocgw » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:24 pm UTC

rmsgrey wrote:
cjmcjmcjmcjm wrote:Only problem with the beehive/server colo plan is that servers like it cold while bees like it warm.


Beehives overheat at lower temperatures than servers do.


Tangentially related: bees cook hornets
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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby orthogon » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:17 pm UTC

rmsgrey wrote:
cjmcjmcjmcjm wrote:Only problem with the beehive/server colo plan is that servers like it cold while bees like it warm.


Beehives overheat at lower temperatures than servers do.

In Tudor England, houses like the splendid Little Moreton Hall used to have a niche built into the chimney on the outside, in which beehives could be placed during the winter to keep them warm. The Tudors were living in the Little Ice Age, so perhaps placing the hives in the cold server room is the Global-Warming-Age equivalent.
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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby gtb » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:56 pm UTC

Actually, I am surprised BHG did not take his beehive frame to IKEA for the next experimental phase (see lackrack.org).

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Heimhenge » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:50 pm UTC

I'm still trying to figure out if the title text is some inside joke. I mean, of ALL the things Randall could have used as an example of TOS preclusions, why choose "dogs playing baseball in the server room" ??? WTF? Or am I missing something obvious?

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:16 am UTC

I believe it's a reference to the movie Air Bud. Select quote: "Ain't no rules says a dog can't play basketball."
Compare that to the title text: "There's also nothing in the TOSes that says you can't let a dog play baseball in the server room!"

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Heimhenge » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:51 am UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:I believe it's a reference to the movie Air Bud. Select quote: "Ain't no rules says a dog can't play basketball."
Compare that to the title text: "There's also nothing in the TOSes that says you can't let a dog play baseball in the server room!"

Must be. Didn't see the movie. Close enough to the original meme to make sense. +1

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Anoria » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:21 am UTC

I will now be severely disappointed if the next post-civilization-collapse story I read doesn't involve a group of survivors keeping bees in an abandoned datacenter. (Is credit required for that sort of reference?)

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby sotanaht » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:25 am UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:I believe it's a reference to the movie Air Bud. Select quote: "Ain't no rules says a dog can't play basketball."
Compare that to the title text: "There's also nothing in the TOSes that says you can't let a dog play baseball in the server room!"

Also referenced in comic 115:

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Gorilla, yes. Adorable golden retriever, yes. But it says nothing about meerkats.

It's also referred to colloquially as the air bud clause, a phrase that was probably originally coined by the webcomic 8-Bit Theater

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby CringeWalrus » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:02 am UTC

cjmcjmcjmcjm wrote:Only problem with the beehive/server colo plan is that servers like it cold while bees like it warm.


Servers in fact do not like it cold and Google doesn't keep theirs cold either: gugle dot com /about/datacenters/efficiency/internal/#temperature (I can't post the URL because the forum thinks it's spam)

For that matter, I'd doubt that Google datacenters are filled with 19 in racks; they themselves are proud of doing everything custom, so I'd be willing to bet that beekeeping frames and big G's server racks are less than compatible.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby keldor » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:42 pm UTC

Silly Black Hat Guy. Honeycomb was Android 3.x. He's totally out of date.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby PinkShinyRose » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:06 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
da Doctah wrote:Don't tell me. BHG was the guy who decided that CDs, DVDs and Blu-ray discs should all have the same physical dimensions.

What's wrong with that? This way my blu-ray player can play all the older formats and my DVD player could play CD's. It saves a bunch of room in my devices stack.

The don't need to have the same dimensions for that, they could be slightly larger with each new format.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby rmsgrey » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:23 pm UTC

Anoria wrote:I will now be severely disappointed if the next post-civilization-collapse story I read doesn't involve a group of survivors keeping bees in an abandoned datacenter. (Is credit required for that sort of reference?)


Ideas can't be copyrighted, though their expression can be.

Credit can be given if appropriate, but it's up to the conscience of the author rather than being enforced by any legal consequences.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby ucim » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:59 pm UTC

PinkShinyRose wrote:The don't need to have the same dimensions for that, they could be slightly larger with each new format.
That would mean (for example) that a CD player that wanted to be able to play mp3s that happened to be on a DVD-ROM would have to accommodate the new size too, even if it didn't play video. And also that existing standard-sized components could not be used for new devices, requiring new tooling. And devices that didn't have to play the formats, but just handle them, (shelving, for example) would not be compatible. We already have that to some extent with DVD cases, it's a minor PITA.

I see no advantage... at least not to the consumer.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby rmsgrey » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:58 pm UTC

ucim wrote:
PinkShinyRose wrote:The don't need to have the same dimensions for that, they could be slightly larger with each new format.
That would mean (for example) that a CD player that wanted to be able to play mp3s that happened to be on a DVD-ROM would have to accommodate the new size too, even if it didn't play video. And also that existing standard-sized components could not be used for new devices, requiring new tooling. And devices that didn't have to play the formats, but just handle them, (shelving, for example) would not be compatible. We already have that to some extent with DVD cases, it's a minor PITA.

I see no advantage... at least not to the consumer.

Jose

Greater storage capacity per disc?

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby brenok » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:15 am UTC

rmsgrey wrote:
ucim wrote:
PinkShinyRose wrote:The don't need to have the same dimensions for that, they could be slightly larger with each new format.
That would mean (for example) that a CD player that wanted to be able to play mp3s that happened to be on a DVD-ROM would have to accommodate the new size too, even if it didn't play video. And also that existing standard-sized components could not be used for new devices, requiring new tooling. And devices that didn't have to play the formats, but just handle them, (shelving, for example) would not be compatible. We already have that to some extent with DVD cases, it's a minor PITA.

I see no advantage... at least not to the consumer.

Jose

Greater storage capacity per disc?

There's an order of magnitude of differerence between CD amd DVD storage capacity, and another order between DVD and Blu-ray. I don't think a small change in size would be very significant. If you want the disks larger, why not make all of them large instead of various sizes?

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Mikeski » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:52 am UTC

Industry saves a lot of money by not maintaining the zillions of sales channels at all levels that multiple disc/drive sizes would require, from the guys manufacturing the plastic gears to the shelf space at Best Buy.

The "DVD/BluRay combo pack" exists because it's cheaper to give you a DVD for free when you buy a BluRay (or vice-versa), versus making two separate sets of packaging, and dealing with two SKUs throughout your distribution chain.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby ucim » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:10 am UTC

rmsgrey wrote:Greater storage capacity per disc?
That's an advantage of the format (DVD vs CD), not an advantage of making a DVD slightly bigger. And making it much bigger (a-la 12 inch videodisk) has many disadvantages.

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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:07 am UTC

ucim wrote:
PinkShinyRose wrote:The don't need to have the same dimensions for that, they could be slightly larger with each new format.
That would mean (for example) that a CD player that wanted to be able to play mp3s that happened to be on a DVD-ROM would have to accommodate the new size too, even if it didn't play video.


While I agree with you that wouldn't work either way. The laser frequency is different and that means that the CD player can't read the disc at all.

Still, PinkShinyRose: what would have been the advantage of making the disks differently sized?

ucim wrote:
rmsgrey wrote:Greater storage capacity per disc?
That's an advantage of the format (DVD vs CD), not an advantage of making a DVD slightly bigger. And making it much bigger (a-la 12 inch videodisk) has many disadvantages.

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It also has an advantage. If you hit a burglar over the head with a videodisk they stay down long enough for the cops to arrest him. DVD's are next to useless in this regard.
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Re: 1439: Rack Unit

Postby orthogon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:29 am UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:If you hit a burglar over the head with a videodisk they stay down long enough for the cops to arrest him. DVD's are next to useless in this regard.

If it's a DVD of Kill Bill, you can frisbee it across the room so it slices the miscreant's head off. Tarantino had the edges specially sharpened for the purpose.
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