1534: "Beer"

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:29 am UTC

Derpetologist wrote:It kind of bothers me that there are some people who legitimately can't understand how someone else might enjoy something that they don't.

Absolutely! ( or "Absolut -- ly" :roll: ). De gustibus non disputandum.

Anyway, Yay Beer!

Do, the stuff that buys me beer,
Ray, the guy who serves me beer,
Me, the guy who drinks the beer,
Fa, where I'll go for beer,
Sol, I think I'll have a beer,
La, la la la la la beer,
Ti, no thanks I'll have a beer.
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby orthogon » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:36 am UTC

cellocgw wrote:
Derpetologist wrote:It kind of bothers me that there are some people who legitimately can't understand how someone else might enjoy something that they don't.

Absolutely! ( or "Absolut -- ly" :roll: ). De gustibus non disputandum.

Anyway, Yay Beer!

Do, the stuff that buys me beer,
Ray, the guy who serves me beer,
Me, the guy who drinks the beer,
Fa, where I'll go for beer,
Sol, I think I'll have a beer,
La, la la la la la beer,
Ti, no thanks I'll have a beer.
...

:)

"La- ger is a type of beer"?
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby FOARP » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:37 am UTC

Znirk wrote: focusing one's attention elsewhere is not lazyness.


Problem: many of the people who say this kind of thing aren't doing this. Instead they're sticking to their old range of choices.

Plus, in reality, taking Randall's example, we're not talking about spending time to appreciate the differences within a limited range, we're talking about taking time to explore the limitless combinations that exist within a given category . . . . . whilst getting drunk. It's as though the Biden photos were available everywhere in unending variety and also gave you a contact-high that made you more relaxed around people.
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby PeteP » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:48 am UTC

Yeah it can be slightly puzzling how people can like that stuff (beer) you can't stand yourself, but then I think the same about olives. (Disgusting little things.) About the only bitter thing I like is hot chocolate and that probably just because I drank it often when I was a kid. A fruit lambic is drinkable though based on the one time I tried it. The vile taste of beer was only in the aftertaste otherwise it could be some kind of juice.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby armandoalvarez » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:59 am UTC

Randall sure gets grumpy around people who like alcoholic beverages. https://xkcd.com/915/
The guy who says "If you don't like it, don't drink it," is right. If people don't accept that you don't like it, don't hang out with them, or don't hang out with them while they're drinking. Just like if you don't like Dungeons and Dragons, don't play D&D, and if your friends don't accept that, don't hang out with them. Or play D&D to be supportive and your friends will also learn about stuff that you like that they don't really like.
There's "social pressure" to engage in any activity any two or more people around you are doing. Being a human being with your own personality requires resisting that pressure sometimes whether it's saying, "Sorry, not interested in the Super Bowl," (and Randall seems to get that: http://xkcd.com/1480/) or "Sorry, I saw Star Wars once and didn't like it. Not interested in seeing the Empire strike back."
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby Milnoc » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:00 pm UTC

Many centuries ago, beer and wine were probably the safest liquids you could drink as they were properly "treated" by the alcohol during manufacturing.

You didn't dare drink from the river as it was also being used as a sewer.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby JudeMorrigan » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:10 pm UTC

Dude may be a supertaster. It's rather less awesome than it sounds in my experience(*). I give the standard bitter foods and beverages (coffee, beer, grapefruit juice, etc) a try every few years to see if my tastes have changed. No such luck so far. I envy people who are able to enjoy them.

* At least, I was highly sensitive to PROP impregnated paper in a single-blind study administered by an actual specialist. My being a supertaster is the logical inference, but that's the extent of testing I've had done.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby fifiste » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:21 pm UTC

The comic just reminded me how much I'd like a nice beer. No saving a few bucks by drinking water today.
There's a wide variety of beers some tasting quite good some really horrible. Also theres the "tastes" for occasion - some go well with some food etc. Or time of year.
I am one of those who do not like the hops so much -- I just can't get the fascination with superhopped beer that has hit the stores and bars lately - seems to be some kind of a hipster thing to always order IPA everywhere and time -- :D

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby Eoink » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:31 pm UTC

I wish people would stop linking to comic 915. I always seem to end up Googling "canadian surrealist porn", and I have a horrible feeling that I am ending up on a watch list somewhere.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby wormspeaker » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:44 pm UTC

Yomar wrote:I've met people like this in real life. Same for wine, whiskey etc. Yes, you've discovered our secret - we all secretly hate the taste of alcohol, and the thousands of years we've spent developing different varieties of it in cultures across the world is all an effort to find just one variety we can stand so that we can stop pretending. It's not YOU, it's everyone ELSE.


I always figured that people have spent thousands of years making different varieties of alcohol because they've been trying to find one that actually tastes good and still gets you drunk. Or at least get you drunk faster so you have to put up with less before you get the desired effect.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby Minstrel » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:56 pm UTC

I think the notion of acquired tastes in general is hard to get one's head around. I had to challenge my own assumptions when I realized some time ago that I had gone from rather disliking beer, but drinking it anyway to fit in, to actually enjoying many good beers. So I started on something else I had always disliked, olives.

To see if I had really developed a taste for beer, or if I was deeply deluding myself like the guy in the strip, I started eating olives occasionally. There's no social aspect to olive eating for me, and it made sense that I should like them (I like both bitter and salty things, in general), but I just never had. It took a while, but I rather enjoy a good green olive now (black less so, the flavor isn't intense enough, they're usually too soft and way overloaded on anything they're put on).

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby ahammel » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:03 pm UTC

I find it quite irritating to be told that I am either pretending or have been brainwashed into liking something that I genuinely enjoy.
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby pkcommando » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:06 pm UTC

LockeZ wrote:All I really want is beer that tastes exactly like Pepsi. And doesn't get me drunk at all.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby ShuRugal » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:11 pm UTC

Derpetologist wrote:It kind of bothers me that there are some people who legitimately can't understand how someone else might enjoy something that they don't.


My father is one of these people. He's so bad about it that at one point he thought I was gay because I was willing to drive five hours to hang out with my best friend for a week.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby jc » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:13 pm UTC

Milnoc wrote:Many centuries ago, beer and wine were probably the safest liquids you could drink as they were properly "treated" by the alcohol during manufacturing.

You didn't dare drink from the river as it was also being used as a sewer.


Many centuries ago? This is still true in much of the world. This includes the US, which has a growing problem of "accidental" spills from the waste ponds of the giant corporate animal (pigs, chickens, beef, etc.) farms that provide most of the commercial meat. There was even the incident some years back when that river in Cleveland caught fire, though that was mostly the result of chemical discharges from manufacturing plants. The third-world countries that are taking over so much of this corporate production are becoming extremely dangerous places to drink the water. Even water from deep wells is no longer safe in many areas, due to extensive contamination of ground water.

It turns out that just saying "alcohol" isn't a very reliable solution to this problem these days. Some time back, I read a study done by people who did a "world tour", visiting local eateries, and instead of eating and drinking what was served, they took it back to their room and fed it to the lab equipment they'd brought along. Their report about drinkables was especially unnerving, though they did report a simple way of getting glasses of safe-to-drink liquids everywhere that they tested: Just say "beer". ;-) They found that the beer everywhere they went came from the same sort of modern brewing vats that the big companies use, and wasn't ever contaminated with dangerous micro-organisms. This wasn't true for any of the other liquids on the menus. (As I recall, wine was in 2nd place, but they did find a few contaminated samples.)

A bit of googling easily turns up an impressive number of reports of bacterial and chemical pollution in rivers and groundwater pretty much everywhere in the modern world. So don't google the topic if you can't handle the bad news ... :-)

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby ctdonath » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:17 pm UTC

I started drinking beer (after 35 years a teetotaler) in Bavaria.
I'd long heard comments to the effect of the cartoon, tactfully amounting to "beer is an acquired taste".
No, beer is not an acquired taste. BAD beer is an acquired (i.e.: forced) taste.
GOOD beer is GOOD, it is delicious, it is satiating, it is satisfying to a degree few foods are. Fresh beer, with minimal ingredients (Bavaria is famous for having the oldest food purity laws: only 4 ingredients allowed in beer), no "processing". Beer done right is WONDERFUL.
It's the domestic (USA) bottled/canned beer that is crud which people claim to like.
After starting with the wondrous brew which is Bavarian beer, pure & fresh, I returned to the USA and...spent the next decade trying to find something even vaguely resembling that wonderful stuff, succeeding only at a few microbrewery restaurants (straight from fermentation to glass).

BAD beer is BAD.
GOOD beer is GOOD.
GOOD beer is nigh unto illegal in the USA.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby DougDean » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:20 pm UTC

I've always suspected this ever since in my distant youth I tried to drink a glass and couldn't finish it, so disagreeable was the taste.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby dp2 » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:26 pm UTC

IPAs taste like grapefruit juice to me. And I love grapefruit juice.

Acquired taste? Maybe so. That doesn't mean it's a lie.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby commodorejohn » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:33 pm UTC

As someone who thought for years that he just didn't like beer because all he'd had was crappy Anheiser-Busch swill, I have to agree with something a coworker once said to me: if you think you don't like beer, you just haven't found your beer.

ctdonath wrote:It's the domestic (USA) bottled/canned beer that is crud which people claim to like.

It's not all American beer, it's the stuff produced by the couple of giant megabreweries that bought out or drove to extinction basically all the other American breweries back in the '70s. Luckily, the last fifteen or twenty years have seen a gradual but accelerating resurgence of small breweries that make stuff that's actually worth drinking.
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby slicedtoad » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:37 pm UTC

ctdonath wrote:I started drinking beer (after 35 years a teetotaler) in Bavaria.
I'd long heard comments to the effect of the cartoon, tactfully amounting to "beer is an acquired taste".
No, beer is not an acquired taste. BAD beer is an acquired (i.e.: forced) taste.
GOOD beer is GOOD, it is delicious, it is satiating, it is satisfying to a degree few foods are. Fresh beer, with minimal ingredients (Bavaria is famous for having the oldest food purity laws: only 4 ingredients allowed in beer), no "processing". Beer done right is WONDERFUL.
It's the domestic (USA) bottled/canned beer that is crud which people claim to like.
After starting with the wondrous brew which is Bavarian beer, pure & fresh, I returned to the USA and...spent the next decade trying to find something even vaguely resembling that wonderful stuff, succeeding only at a few microbrewery restaurants (straight from fermentation to glass).

BAD beer is BAD.
GOOD beer is GOOD.
GOOD beer is nigh unto illegal in the USA.


What's your opinion of Becks? I find it's the cleanest "available everywhere" beer. And it's my "everyday beer".

But I live in Montreal so I have a rather large selection of local stuff that is both cheap (less tax on local spirits) and good/interesting. In particular, local strong beers and IPAs are readily available. Also a bunch of sweet ones, but I don't like my beer too sweet.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby Plautdietsch » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:39 pm UTC

I'm gonna go with Randall just wanting to mess with our heads, and to see how many die-hard beer lovers are gonna get upset.

I don't like beer. And I suspect this has more to do with genetics than acquired tastes: as somebody else mentioned, some of us are "supertasters" and are more sensitive to certain flavors. Alcohol is too bitter for me, and so is coffee - even though I like other bitter things like dark (75% cacao) chocolate. Not sure why that is. And I'm pretty sure all the beers I've tasted were good quality.

The reason I don't start making up conspiracy theories like today's comic is because I love black licorice. (My dad thinks I'm insane. He hates the stuff.)

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby cryptoengineer » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:42 pm UTC

I'm among the crowd who are bothered that Munro seems unable to realize that people's tastes differ,
and there is no objectively correct opinion on the subject.

You could make a similar distinction over many things, such as milk chocolate vs dark chocolate; to
me, the former is icky stuff that coats the roof of my mouth in an disgusting way; my wife finds the latter
unpleasantly bitter. So we buy mixed boxes...

I like good beer ('good' being the operative word - I'll drink water rather than mass-market US beer).

But, I mainly wanted to post this:

John Oliver on Bud Light:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxyGGKWGV70

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby JudeMorrigan » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:44 pm UTC

ctdonath wrote:I started drinking beer (after 35 years a teetotaler) in Bavaria.
I'd long heard comments to the effect of the cartoon, tactfully amounting to "beer is an acquired taste".
No, beer is not an acquired taste. BAD beer is an acquired (i.e.: forced) taste.
GOOD beer is GOOD, it is delicious, it is satiating, it is satisfying to a degree few foods are. Fresh beer, with minimal ingredients (Bavaria is famous for having the oldest food purity laws: only 4 ingredients allowed in beer), no "processing". Beer done right is WONDERFUL.
It's the domestic (USA) bottled/canned beer that is crud which people claim to like.
After starting with the wondrous brew which is Bavarian beer, pure & fresh, I returned to the USA and...spent the next decade trying to find something even vaguely resembling that wonderful stuff, succeeding only at a few microbrewery restaurants (straight from fermentation to glass).

BAD beer is BAD.
GOOD beer is GOOD.
GOOD beer is nigh unto illegal in the USA.

To be honest, I find this quite as disagreeable as the dude in the comic. In all sincerity, I've tried stuff that my beer connoisseur friends assure me is the good stuff. It's not merely not-delicious to me - it's downright foul. Pity is a perfectly reasonable response. I an quite sincere when I say I envy my friends who are able to enjoy good beer and coffee. But if you're under the impression that your tastes are universal, you are a wrong person who is wrong.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby Kit. » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:59 pm UTC

Yomar wrote:Yes, you've discovered our secret - we all secretly hate the taste of alcohol, and the thousands of years we've spent developing different varieties of it in cultures across the world is all an effort to find just one variety we can stand so that we can stop pretending.

Well, good vodka is much better than bad beer.

(unless you mix them, that is)

jackal wrote:Bitterness is a bad thing. Human tastes evolved to associate "bitter"="bad" because bitter things are often bad, even poisonous, to us.

Actually, I like quinine flavor. I also prefer grapefruit to orange. YMMV, of course.

jeanrenaud wrote:I think that the reality must be told from someone who's just drinking its first beer of its life. Does you guys can confirm that the first beer you drank was tasting good ?

The first beer of one's life usually is bad, if only because most beer produced is bad.

However, if we had decided to consume only the food that we liked at the first time, we would probably still be drinking breast milk.

Wooloomooloo wrote:This comic baffled me, until I remembered it comes from the other side of the pond - that explains it though,

Good catch.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby Purplepants77 » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:00 pm UTC

Milnoc wrote:Many centuries ago, beer and wine were probably the safest liquids you could drink as they were properly "treated" by the alcohol during manufacturing.

You didn't dare drink from the river as it was also being used as a sewer.


I was under the impression that the primary reason that beer was safe to drink was because the brewing process involved boiling water. I actually had a discussion about this with a friend of mine because, knowing that alcohol is a diuretic, I wasn't sure if it was possible to have a low enough alcohol content to result in net hydration while still effectively sterilizing the water.

Disclaimer- I know very little about alcoholic beverages as I tend to greatly dislike the taste of alcohol (beer is particularly unbearable to me) and took little interest in the topic, so there's a chance I could be wrong. The information I have was simply fed to me and sounded more accurate and plausible than the alternative.
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby slicedtoad » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:02 pm UTC

Plautdietsch wrote:I'm gonna go with Randall just wanting to mess with our heads, and to see how many die-hard beer lovers are gonna get upset.

I don't like beer. And I suspect this has more to do with genetics than acquired tastes: as somebody else mentioned, some of us are "supertasters" and are more sensitive to certain flavors. Alcohol is too bitter for me, and so is coffee - even though I like other bitter things like dark (75% cacao) chocolate. Not sure why that is. And I'm pretty sure all the beers I've tasted were good quality.

The reason I don't start making up conspiracy theories like today's comic is because I love black licorice. (My dad thinks I'm insane. He hates the stuff.)


For me, things that taste too strong just require a type of "tolerance" build-up.

Coffee, chocolate, alcohol, spice(hot), horseradish, menthol, dark leafy greens, etc.
They all require (for a lot of people), repeat exposure before the person can start liking them. And the best way to get exposure is incrementally. Slightly spicy food. Milk and sugar in the coffee. Sweet beers (or something). Salad dressing on the bitter greens. Milk-chocolate (or smaller amount of dark), etc.

It isn't just taste preference.
Most people, for instance, that don't like coffee, don't like the strong bitterness of it. Some people actually find the taste and smell repulsive (nothing to do with the strong bitterness). The former has no idea if they would like coffee (not that there is an obligation or anything) while the latter can say they don't like the taste of coffee (and not just the bitterness).

Saying it's all down to some subjective preference that you are genetically predisposed to is simply inaccurate. Like saying you find books boring if you don't know how to read. And once again, I'm not saying there is some obligation to acclimatize yourself to various strong flavors... just, maybe people could start acting like that's the reason they don't like a lot of things?

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby UpGoing Kerbal » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:08 pm UTC

Ah the good old "I don't like beer because i had it once and it wasn't nice"/"I once went to a cricket match and it was boring so i hate all sports".

Certainly ranks as a bad XKCD.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby PeteP » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:11 pm UTC

@slicedtoast:Um the bitterness is part of the taste. But I find neither pleasant.

cryptoengineer wrote:I'm among the crowd who are bothered that Munro seems unable to realize that people's tastes differ,
and there is no objectively correct opinion on the subject.

Since you aren't the first in this thread who seems to have trouble with the distinction: You are aware that some character saying something isn't the same as Randall saying it? Notice that the other is giving the answer you would expect.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby JudeMorrigan » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:15 pm UTC

slicedtoad wrote:For me, things that taste too strong just require a type of "tolerance" build-up.

Coffee, chocolate, alcohol, spice(hot), horseradish, menthol, dark leafy greens, etc.
They all require (for a lot of people), repeat exposure before the person can start liking them. And the best way to get exposure is incrementally. Slightly spicy food. Milk and sugar in the coffee. Sweet beers (or something). Salad dressing on the bitter greens. Milk-chocolate (or smaller amount of dark), etc.

It isn't just taste preference.
Most people, for instance, that don't like coffee, don't like the strong bitterness of it. Some people actually find the taste and smell repulsive (nothing to do with the strong bitterness). The former has no idea if they would like coffee (not that there is an obligation or anything) while the latter can say they don't like the taste of coffee (and not just the bitterness).

Saying it's all down to some subjective preference that you are genetically predisposed to is simply inaccurate. Like saying you find books boring if you don't know how to read. And once again, I'm not saying there is some obligation to acclimatize yourself to various strong flavors... just, maybe people could start acting like that's the reason they don't like a lot of things?

Yes, by all means. When I say I don't like the taste of coffee, I mean that I find the bitterness intolerable. I assume that's what most people are referring to when the refer to genetic predispositions. (It's pretty much an unequivocal fact that some people are more sensitive to bitter flavors than others.) I'm not sure I can adequately describe to someone else just how serious of issues I have with the bitterness though. It's not something I can build up a tolerance to. I've tried. It doesn't work. And the trying itself is exceedingly unpleasant.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby richP » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:19 pm UTC

petz wrote:You don't like beer because of peer pressure. It's Stockholm syndrome.


I sometimes don't like peers because of beer pressure. Not sure what syndrome that is...

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby chistodex » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:23 pm UTC

I personally can attest to not liking beer the first time I tried it. My brother just kept offering different beers to me until one day I tried a Widmer and said, "This is the least disguisting beer I've had so far."

Now I brew my own. I personally prefer a braggot ale to anything else though.

jackal wrote:I don't get why hops are all the rage these days--IPAs, double IPAs, etc.

I agree. Though I don't mind an IPA every now and then, more than two in any one sitting and I'm hopped out.

jc wrote:
Milnoc wrote:Many centuries ago, beer and wine were probably the safest liquids you could drink as they were properly "treated" by the alcohol during manufacturing.

You didn't dare drink from the river as it was also being used as a sewer.


Many centuries ago? This is still true in much of the world. This includes the US, which has a growing problem of "accidental" spills from the waste ponds of the giant corporate animal (pigs, chickens, beef, etc.) farms that provide most of the commercial meat. There was even the incident some years back when that river in Cleveland caught fire, though that was mostly the result of chemical discharges from manufacturing plants. The third-world countries that are taking over so much of this corporate production are becoming extremely dangerous places to drink the water. Even water from deep wells is no longer safe in many areas, due to extensive contamination of ground water.

It turns out that just saying "alcohol" isn't a very reliable solution to this problem these days. Some time back, I read a study done by people who did a "world tour", visiting local eateries, and instead of eating and drinking what was served, they took it back to their room and fed it to the lab equipment they'd brought along. Their report about drinkables was especially unnerving, though they did report a simple way of getting glasses of safe-to-drink liquids everywhere that they tested: Just say "beer". ;-) They found that the beer everywhere they went came from the same sort of modern brewing vats that the big companies use, and wasn't ever contaminated with dangerous micro-organisms. This wasn't true for any of the other liquids on the menus. (As I recall, wine was in 2nd place, but they did find a few contaminated samples.)

A bit of googling easily turns up an impressive number of reports of bacterial and chemical pollution in rivers and groundwater pretty much everywhere in the modern world. So don't google the topic if you can't handle the bad news ... :-)

I always understood it was the boiling process that killed the bacteria (most beer recipes call to boil your wort for an hour for proper hopping) as the the alcohol content in beer isn't enough to kill off all bacteria. It should be high enough in most wines, but you don't need to boil or seep anything to make wine and a lot of places still use open fermentation for their wines.


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rhomboidal wrote:Personally, I love the taste of anaerobically hydrolyzed yeast shit.

On the contrary. My brewers guild taught me to airate the liquid that is going to become beer ("jongbier" or "malt bier" in Dutch). This is to get oxygen in there for the yeast. Else it dies. (although I have never risked a batch by skipping this.

I've been brewing beer for a little over year and have only ever shook one batch that was having trouble starting (I was pretty certain it was the yeast that was the problem as I had not stored it properly). When I make mead though, I shake the sh* out of it.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby CharlieP » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:28 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
CharlieP wrote:Agreed. The last time I briefly abstained from alcohol, it became painfully apparent that particular dishes I like to cook (ones involving pasta and tomato-based sauce) had become inextricably linked with red wine, and it just didn't taste right to eat them with anything else.

During cooking the alcohol quite soon leaves through the ventilation, although you can get tipsy from breathing that. If you want something wine-like but alcohol free there are many alcohol free wines I haven't tried them myself but since you usually cook the stuff for a while in tomato based pasta sauce I would hazard a guess that the taste is suitable and the lack of alcohol isn't a problem anyway. An alternative is grape juice, around here it's available in most shops. More than alcohol free wine anyway.
Since I don't often drink wine I often forget to buy the wine for a tomato based pasta sauce. Thus I know the wine (or, perhaps, a replacement) greatly enhances the taste of most pasta based dishes.


Um, I'm not sure if there's a misunderstanding here - I wasn't talking about cooking with wine, but drinking it with a meal. Cooking a rich pasta sauce and realising my choices for its accompaniment were limited to water, fruit juice or milk was more of a let-down than I can adequately put into words.
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby slicedtoad » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:30 pm UTC

JudeMorrigan wrote:Yes, by all means. When I say I don't like the taste of coffee, I mean that I find the bitterness intolerable. I assume that's what most people are referring to when the refer to genetic predispositions. (It's pretty much an unequivocal fact that some people are more sensitive to bitter flavors than others.) I'm not sure I can adequately describe to someone else just how serious of issues I have with the bitterness though. It's not something I can build up a tolerance to. I've tried. It doesn't work. And the trying itself is exceedingly unpleasant.


Fair enough. I don't have "super taste" and really don't know how that works. I do find it unusual that a tolerance can't be built up (though I can understand why someone wouldn't want to build a tolerance to something that tastes awful to them).

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby Jack21222 » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:32 pm UTC

FOARP wrote:Assuming this is Randall's actual opinion on beer, for me this puts him the category of people who say that they don't like wine/whisky/tea/coffee/curries etc. Whilst there's a legit reason to say you don't like it, there's always the suspicion that they just haven't spent the time and effort necessary to get into what are (due to complex flavouring and large numbers of varieties) acquired tastes, in which case you're basically denying yourself interesting experiences based on pure laziness and fear of the unknown.


If you need to spend time and effort to convince yourself to like something, it's fair to say that you don't like it.

There's no need to be a condescending prick and call people lazy just because they don't like the same things you like.
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:33 pm UTC

Another data point (or pointless data...)

For all you folks out there yakking about "acquired taste,' check out Campari. Took me 3 or 4 tries to get used to it, but now I love it -- w/ soda, or Negroni, or whatever.

BTW, on a thinly-related topic, how about good ol' Mary Jane, which many people have to use several times before the altered-state-effect starts to happen!
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby CharlieP » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:36 pm UTC

ctdonath wrote:GOOD beer is nigh unto illegal in the USA.


Also see GOOD cheese (at least such is my understanding).
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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby Wheeljack » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:42 pm UTC

It's nice to see so many people here stating "different people have different tastes" which is usually the opposite of what I have experienced when on a party. When I'm on a party and friends are all lke "here, have a beer" to which I only respond "no thanks, I don't like beer", I'm getting the weirdest looks, as if I've grown a second head or something.

If you wanna get me drunk, give me some vodka.

Also this: youtu.be/rrfTLNUsqRc :wink:

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby kubit » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:44 pm UTC

jackal wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:
tsotate wrote:
sfmans wrote:Wow, those guys are seriously drinking the wrong kind of beer.

The kind with hops in it? Because that's what makes beer taste so bad, and it's pretty much required by most definitions of "beer".

Hops are terrible. A bit of it can add to a beer but many beers have far to much hops. Especially small brewers tend to muck up their beer with it, exept for (for example) Belgian Dubbel, Bock. Most of these beers are quite dark with chocolaty tastes and a often a lot sweeter (although a good classic style Bock isn't sweet. That was a recent modification, giving rise to a new type of beer with the name of an old type).

I don't get why hops are all the rage these days--IPAs, double IPAs, etc.

Bitterness is a bad thing. Human tastes evolved to associate "bitter"="bad" because bitter things are often bad, even poisonous, to us. So why on earth people would voluntarily line up to guzzle gallons of beer flavored with intense bitterness is simply beyond me. I might put some minor stock in the theory that everyone is claiming to like IPAs and other hoppy beers out of social pressure (it's a popular craft-brew style these days, and since craft beer=good, then IPA must=good, too, I guess), but that doesn't extend to other variants of beer.

Give me a good stout or hefe any day. I actually don't drink nor crave beer too often, but sometimes nothing tastes as delicious and flavorful as a nice, smooth Guinness...

ETA: even this guy says it's not natural to love hops: http://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-mus ... hoppy-beer
ETAA: an interesting read on the history of overly hopped beers from a self-proclaimed hophead: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/drin ... ingle.html



Had to chime in at this post. I really LOVE bitter beer. I like beer in general, usually enjoy more the more bitter variety because.. eh.. it feels 'fresh' somehow. I personally don't like stouts or dark beer as much even though they can be nice some times.

People have different tastes and what tastes good for others might not taste good for others. Many people like berries, but I hate most of them because of the weird acidity I only recognize in berries. I wouldn't go as far as to say liking berries is unnatural.

As far as I'm concerned, bitterness is great and there are others like me out there!

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby Kit. » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:45 pm UTC

CharlieP wrote:Um, I'm not sure if there's a misunderstanding here - I wasn't talking about cooking with wine, but drinking it with a meal. Cooking a rich pasta sauce and realising my choices were limited to water, fruit juice or milk was more of a let-down than I can adequately put into words.

Freshly-made tomato juice could do it.

Seared red tuna would be a much trickier example.

Jack21222 wrote:
FOARP wrote:Whilst there's a legit reason to say you don't like it,

If you need to spend time and effort to convince yourself to like something, it's fair to say that you don't like it.

Thanks, cap.

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Re: 1534: "Beer"

Postby slicedtoad » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:45 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:BTW, on a thinly-related topic, how about good ol' Mary Jane, which many people have to use several times before the altered-state-effect starts to happen!


Eh, not if you're with someone who knows what they're doing. Usually first-timers fail to get high because they aren't breathing right or they rolled their own. Though there is a slight "wall" or "shell" they need to get through too. But use a proper pipe or (ideally) vape and first timers get high without much effort.

On that note, I don't really like pot. It makes me feel stupid and I spend most of my time living in my head, so feeling stupid isn't pleasant. And yes, I have done it enough to know that I don't just need to "get used to it". Being drunk is far more fun (you're still stupid but you don't feel stupid). But I rarely even get drunk anymore. Kinda lost it's fun after college.


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