1540: "Hemingway"

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1540: "Hemingway"

Postby moody7277 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:25 pm UTC

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alt-text: Instead of bobcat, package contained chair.

Hemingway probably didn't write that story.
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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby Wooloomooloo » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:34 pm UTC

Is Randall using some sort of slow-propagation content delivery network? I can see a new comic coming up in the RSS, I can see it posted here, but the server replies 404-Not Found when I try to look at it on xkcd.com... I call shenanigans!

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby karhell » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:35 pm UTC

For those not familiar with Hemingway, this is what the comic references.
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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby Bluewink » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:37 pm UTC

I can see the comic if I forward from the previous one, but not if I go to the latest. Weird.

And even that doesn't work on the mobile site version.

The link from the archives works, though.

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby Tova » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:50 pm UTC

I get it*.

* Not really

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby Tank668 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:22 pm UTC

The hover text I get when I view this comic is "Instead of bobcat, package contained chair". I get the reference to another comic, I just don't get how it applies to this one.

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby FrobozzWizard » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:25 pm UTC

For those trying to remember the reference for the alt-text ("Instead of bobcat, package contained chair"): http://xkcd.com/325/

The reason it applies is that the comic is a reference to Hemingway's 6-word story, and that is another 6-word story.

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby orthogon » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:27 pm UTC

Tank668 wrote:The hover text I get when I view this comic is "Instead of bobcat, package contained chair". I get the reference to another comic, I just don't get how it applies to this one.

The second to last one is "For sale: baby-sized saddle, bobcat", thus reversing comic 325 by actually offering a bobcat (but shipping a chair). Also, yes, six words, good point.
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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby chrisr » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:43 pm UTC

Am I the only one traumatised by the mismatched HTML tags, <blink><blink> instead of <blink></blink>, in this comic? Please can this be corrected before my OCD causes my head to implode?

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby bgbbmm » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:46 pm UTC

Shouldn't the closing blink element use a forward slash?

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby Sandman81 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:51 pm UTC

The baby shoes story doesn't quite have the same impact today.

In 1920, the reaction was "oh my goodness, is the baby dead, is the baby kidnapped, was the baby born without feet!!!"

In 2015, the reaction is "[shrug], what else are you supposed to do with all the surplus crap you get given in a baby shower", or "yeah, we told his gran that he already had ten pairs of shoes, but she insisted on giving us another five pairs"

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:52 pm UTC

Snopes traces the Hemingway attribution to a one-man play in the 90s which, we are assured, was thoroughly researched by talking to Hemingway and people who knew him, but, in the absence of a time-machine and the budget to hire a good PI to eavesdrop, it's not possible to verify the content of the conversations. so we only have the playwright's word for it that the anecdote was even reported to him by a credible source, let alone that it actually happened...

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby orthogon » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:11 pm UTC

bgbbmm wrote:Shouldn't the closing blink element use a forward slash?

It was a rough draft.
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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby HES » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:12 pm UTC

I'm no stranger to Time travel, but is this not comic 1540?
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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby Echo244 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:29 pm UTC

Once I got my eye in with the six-word story thing, I enjoyed this one. I love the "Citation needed" and "(-1) [cursed]" variants...
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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby dp2 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:30 pm UTC

Anyone who has been to a Mom 2 Mom sale will find none of the gravitas that the story is supposed to suggest.

It reminds me a bit of the "I hope Randall is okay and his family didn't die in a fire" type post that comes whenever xkcd gets a little dark.

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:39 pm UTC

HES wrote:I'm no stranger to Time travel, but is this not comic 1540?


The alt-text is also missing.

That's the trouble with the first post going to the swiftest - there's little correlation with merit.

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby drosboro » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:49 pm UTC

bgbbmm wrote:Shouldn't the closing blink element use a forward slash?


It reminded me of all those malformed pages in the 90's where the forward-slash was forgotten, the tag was never closed, and the whole page blinked at you in anger. I miss Yahoo's index of personal websites. :shock:

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby moody7277 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:25 pm UTC

rmsgrey wrote:
HES wrote:I'm no stranger to Time travel, but is this not comic 1540?


The alt-text is also missing.

That's the trouble with the first post going to the swiftest - there's little correlation with merit.



This was my first time ONGing an Othercomic, so getting all the details spot on wasn't in the first draft. Personally I was surprised it still wasn't up nine hours into the day.
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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Flumble » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:52 pm UTC

Thanks for pointing out the number of words, guys. :D

moody7277 wrote:
rmsgrey wrote:
HES wrote:I'm no stranger to Time travel, but is this not comic 1540?


The alt-text is also missing.

That's the trouble with the first post going to the swiftest - there's little correlation with merit.



This was my first time ONGing an Othercomic, so getting all the details spot on wasn't in the first draft. Personally I was surprised it still wasn't up nine hours into the day.

1. There's a whole style guide in the rules and you can use any of the other ±1500 opening posts as a baseline. (though something tells me you indeed used 1537 as a baseline)
2. The thread wasn't up because it was taking ages for the comic to appear in the RSS feed, let alone on the main site.

Though all's well now. (I daren't say "all's well that ends well", because the means don't always justify the ends... and the thread's not at its end by far)

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:22 pm UTC

Hemingway definitely didn't write this post.

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Coyoty » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:53 pm UTC

Barry Allen often wrote flash fiction.

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:45 pm UTC

Reader challenge:

Write a 6-word novel which is also a haiku.
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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby chris857 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:00 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Reader challenge:

Write a 6-word novel which is also a haiku.


I'm not sure this is actually a novel in any sense or more just a comment on your challenge, but here you go.

Inconceivable!

Economy of language

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Kit. » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:55 pm UTC

Ordered bobcat.
Delivered earlier.
Was unprepared.

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Pfhorrest » Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:22 pm UTC

Kit. wrote:Ordered bobcat.
Delivered earlier.
Was unprepared.

Are you pronouncing the "-ed"s as their own syllables to get 5-7-5?

Or-der-ed bob-cat.
De-li-ver-ed ear-li-er.
Was un-pre-par-ed.

Otherwise you get 4-6-4:

Or-derd bob-cat
De-li-verd ear-li-er.
Was un-pre-pard.

Of course since we strictly should be counting morae rather than syllables, it's actually 9-10-9:

O-r-de-r-d bo-b-ca-t.
De-li-ve-r-d ea-r-li-e-r.
Wa-s u-n-p-re-pa-r-d.


How's this for the challenge:

Ki-d-s shoe-s
You ca-n bu-y the-m
U-n-u-se-d
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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Quantum Jack » Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:51 pm UTC

Aww :( I thought for a moment that randall was a fan of Magic Realm the boardgame, with a reference to the seven league boots, but alas, it is a common name used in fairy tales and games.

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby keldor » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:57 pm UTC

I can write a story with three words: Veni, Vidi, Vici

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Pfhorrest » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:08 pm UTC

keldor wrote:I can write a story with three words: Veni, Vidi, Vici

I can write a porn in three words: Vidi, Vici, Veni.
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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Copper Bezel » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:29 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
Kit. wrote:Ordered bobcat.
Delivered earlier.
Was unprepared.

Are you pronouncing the "-ed"s as their own syllables to get 5-7-5?

[...]

How's this for the challenge:

Ki-d-s shoe-s
You ca-n bu-y the-m
U-n-u-se-d

Naw, if you get to pedantificate this, then I get to point out that your poem doesn't include a kigo or follow the semantic and thematic structure of haiku, and say that it's actually a senryu.

Anyway, strip was lovely, actually clapped. The HTML line was ultimately best. "Prime eligible" came very, very close.
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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby SparkOut » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:25 am UTC

orthogon wrote:
Tank668 wrote:The hover text I get when I view this comic is "Instead of bobcat, package contained chair". I get the reference to another comic, I just don't get how it applies to this one.

The second to last one is "For sale: baby-sized saddle, bobcat", thus reversing comic 325 by actually offering a bobcat (but shipping a chair). Also, yes, six words, good point.

Michael Palin also wrote a novel entitled Hemingway's Chair which may not be relevant, but seems aposite.

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby dkovar » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:55 pm UTC

Hemingway scholar wife saw original manuscript

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Eshru » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:26 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
keldor wrote:I can write a story with three words: Veni, Vidi, Vici

I can write a porn in three words: Vidi, Vici, Veni.


I can write a porn in 3 words:
Veni Veni Veni

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Re: 1537: "Hemingway"

Postby addams » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:15 am UTC

karhell wrote:For those not familiar with Hemingway, this is what the comic references.

Thank you.
Very educational.

Of course, if it happened,
It happened at The Algonquin.

There is another literary statement of conceit.
Something about a laundry list.
Do you know that one, too?

Found while following the links.
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We seem to fill in the rest of the story faster and easier when it is a tragedy.

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Kit. » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:25 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:Are you pronouncing the "-ed"s as their own syllables to get 5-7-5?

Well, I pronounce "delivered" similar to "deliberate" (adjective). Does that make it "De-livrd"?

And I definitlely don't say "I'm disappoint".

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby addams » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:44 am UTC

dkovar wrote:Hemingway scholar wife saw original manuscript

Of What??
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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Eternal Density » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:42 am UTC

I understood that reference! And the bobcat returns, yay!
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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby armandoalvarez » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:04 am UTC

In a similar vein, Augusto Monterroso,a Guatemalan short story writer, had a seven-word story, "El dinosaurio":
Cuando despertó, el dinosaurio todavía estaba allí.

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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Platypodes » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:43 am UTC

I don't get why the lined-out items are there. If these are, in the scenario of the comic, Hemingway's rough drafts, why would he write about what Hemingway did or didn't write? I get that Hemingway may not have actually written the baby shoes line, but referencing that in this way just confuses me.

Other than that, I'm very amused.

I see that the closing slash has been added to the blink tag.
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Re: 1540: "Hemingway"

Postby Copper Bezel » Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:50 am UTC

I take it as a frame-breaking thing, where Randall is transparently writing the list, but his pedant side breaks out in a couple of places, fighting with the side that's trying to make the joke, and then gets cut off on the sixth word each time.
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