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Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:18 am UTC
by Iv
peewee_RotA wrote:Perhaps I'm missing something, but were the results made public yet?

I came all the way from 1981 to ask this very question.

More seriously, anyone knows when and where the data will be released?

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:38 pm UTC
by KarenRei
Just for fun, I made up a sentence with the 20 most common misspelled English words in it, then mangled it:

Alawt uv ontrepprenewers deffinnitley immpploy enn unesesairy, unaxeptoble beeruocrisy, partikulerly inn okurannses whare imbearessmint oar conchince lickwifye oar souperseed konsensis onn pareellell minoovers, bee thay az trivvyal az seppret qwestyunairz reefurred tou brockley konnosewers.


Feel free to challenge yourselves to correct it without the help of a dictionary (but if you do reply, please spoiler-tag your answer). :)

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:52 pm UTC
by measure
KarenRei wrote:Just for fun, I made up a sentence with the 20 most common misspelled English words in it, then mangled it:

Alawt uv ontrepprenewers deffinnitley immpploy enn unesesairy, unaxeptoble beeruocrisy, partikulerly inn okurannses whare imbearessmint oar conchince lickwifye oar souperseed konsensis onn pareellell minoovers, bee thay az trivvyal az seppret qwestyunairz reefurred tou brockley konnosewers.


Feel free to challenge yourselves to correct it without the help of a dictionary (but if you do reply, please spoiler-tag your answer). :)

Spoiler:
A lot of entrapeneurs definitely employ an unnecessary unacceptable bureocracy, particularly in occurances where embarressment or concience liquify or supersede consensus on parallel maneuvers, be they as trivial as seperate questionaires referred to broccolli conisseurs.


Looks like I missed 10 out of the about 20 actually hard ones. I appear to be overly reliant on spell-checkers (although lacking one, I would probably just avoid using any words I didn't know).

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:26 pm UTC
by Znirk
To me the hard part of this exercise was to figure out what the mangled version was trying to say; but I guess it's different for us ESL speakers: Most of these are words I explicitly learned off a written list at some point early on in my language acquisition. I also have the advantage of speaking and spelling a reasonable approximation to French, which eliminates about a third of the problems in this specific text right away.

And then there are the cases where I had doubts, but it turns out both alternatives are acceptable - for instance, the solutions to 'lickwifye' or 'souperseed'.

Spoiler:
A lot of entrepreneurs definitely employ an unnecessary, unacceptable bureaucracy, particularly in occurrences where embarrassment or conscience liquify or supercede consesus on parallel manoeuvres, be they as trivial as separate questionnaires referred to broccoli connaisseurs.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:08 pm UTC
by orthogon
kelly_holden wrote:But surely if there is such as thing as a "broccolus" or a "broccolo", it would be one of the tiny flowers? Since that's what the head is composed of?

Etymologically speaking, apparently broccolo was indeed the diminutive of brocco, i.e. a little shoot. However, broccoli are somewhat fractal in nature, so it's hard to say at what level of sprouting an individual broccolo begins.

In serious usage, I'd usually treat broccoli as a mass noun, the same as other Italian plurals like spaghetti or tortellini, but "can you buy a broccoli?" would be quite acceptable too. Far more acceptable than "can you buy me a panini?", anyway.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:53 pm UTC
by Echo244
orthogon wrote:However, broccoli are somewhat fractal in nature


And this is why I love broccoli. Also cauliflower.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:16 pm UTC
by patzer
Well this was a fun and interesting survey :)

My five animals were aardvark, kangaroo, okapi, cat, and dog. Don't know why the first three sprung to mind before I switched back to normality... :shock:


Also, for the "cat" question, I answered "ᏣᎪᎢ". Hopefully this wasn't a spambot trap that I fell for :|

KarenRei wrote:Just for fun, I made up a sentence with the 20 most common misspelled English words in it, then mangled it:

Alawt uv ontrepprenewers deffinnitley immpploy enn unesesairy, unaxeptoble beeruocrisy, partikulerly inn okurannses whare imbearessmint oar conchince lickwifye oar souperseed konsensis onn pareellell minoovers, bee thay az trivvyal az seppret qwestyunairz reefurred tou brockley konnosewers.


Feel free to challenge yourselves to correct it without the help of a dictionary (but if you do reply, please spoiler-tag your answer). :)


Spoiler:
A lot of entrepreneurs definitely employ an unnecessary, unacceptable bureaucracy, particularly in occurrences where embarrassment or conscience liquefy or supercede consensus on parallel manoeuvers, be they as trivial as separate questionnaires referred to broccoli connosieurs.


Two wrong. oh dear, I think I have become far too reliant on spell checkers :(

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:21 pm UTC
by Quercus
I had aardvark too :D Maybe we just have alphabetical minds. I also had human (the other three were dog, cat and mouse)

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:56 am UTC
by peterburk
I wrote "cat -v".
Real programmers use cat.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:10 am UTC
by aljohnso
Someone should fix the "favorite number between one and one hundred" questions...

It didn't take 3.14159..... and it didn't take e.

Clear fails.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:01 pm UTC
by lorb
The correct answer is 42.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:04 pm UTC
by Whizbang
Spoiler:
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Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:16 pm UTC
by mscha
cellocgw wrote:Statistician gripe: it's impossible for us to come up with random words, even selecting from the words we know. THere are two many subconscious and conscious biases for us to choose randomly.

Code: Select all

% perl6 -e '"/usr/share/dict/words".IO.lines.pick(5).say'
calmy whig Rossville factiousness polytheism

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:32 pm UTC
by commodorejohn
Ah, that's only a pseudorandom selection of words!

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:36 pm UTC
by cantab314
More seriously, it's subject to the biases of whoever compiled the dictionary. It's almost certain to be grossly biased in favour of English words for a start.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:41 pm UTC
by orthogon
cantab314 wrote:More seriously, it's subject to the biases of whoever compiled the dictionary. It's almost certain to be grossly biased in favour of English words for a start.

Apparently not, judging by the output ;-)

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:18 pm UTC
by audreymoon
Does anyone know where/when the data will be published? I'd like to do something fun with it with my science students.

Thanks!

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:47 am UTC
by Steve the Pocket
aljohnso wrote:Someone should fix the "favorite number between one and one hundred" questions...

It didn't take 3.14159..... and it didn't take e.

Clear fails.

Image

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:20 am UTC
by orthogon
^ :-)

In cryptic crosswords in the British press, "number" can often be a clue for a word like "morphine". (In a similar way, "flower" can be e.g. "Thames"). Only works in writing, of course.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:30 am UTC
by brenok
I'll give credit to the coach for knowing Avogadro's number is not between one and ten.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:09 am UTC
by PKM
Feel free to challenge yourselves to correct it without the help of a dictionary (but if you do reply, please spoiler-tag your answer). :)


Spoiler:
A lot of entrepreneurs definitely employ an unnecessary, unacceptable bureaucracy, particularly in occurrences where embarrassment or conscience liquify or supersede consensus on parallel manoeuvres (BrE), be they as trivial as separate questionnaires referred to broccoli connoisseurs.

Gah, I thought I was doing so well, but you got me with "lickwifye", I spelt it the same way as the Photoshop tool. (Though if it had been "lickwifackshun" I like to think I would have got it right).

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:45 am UTC
by markfiend
mscha wrote:

Code: Select all

% perl6 -e '"/usr/share/dict/words".IO.lines.pick(5).say'
calmy whig Rossville factiousness polytheism


I'd rather do it in bash:

Code: Select all

$ shuf -n5 /usr/share/dict/words
vitreous
estimate's
Mosul
jabbing
intones

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:25 am UTC
by orthogon
markfiend wrote:estimate's

* twitch *
I mean, yes, you probably could dream up a sentence in which that was just about correct, but...
Note to self: do not rely on the contents of /usr/share/dict/words.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:40 am UTC
by HES
The various estimates had a range of accuracies, but the third estimate's was the highest.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:52 am UTC
by orthogon
HES wrote:The various estimates had a range of accuracies, but the third estimate's was the highest.

Or contraction: "I think your estimate's a bit on the high side".

ETA: ok, I've stopped twitching a bit now I've appreciated what the words file contains: basically every word that can take the -'s suffix is listed with it. I'd still dispute whether estimate's is really a word as such, but I have to concede that the possessive version isn't two words either, it's a word with an enclitic attached.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:19 pm UTC
by cellocgw
brenok wrote:I'll give credit to the coach for knowing Avogadro's number is not between one and ten.


but is it between one and ten... Parsecs converted to football field units? :twisted:

and yes I"m too lazy to see how those numbers work out

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:18 pm UTC
by orthogon
cellocgw wrote:
brenok wrote:I'll give credit to the coach for knowing Avogadro's number is not between one and ten.


but is it between one and ten... Parsecs converted to football field units? :twisted:

and yes I"m too lazy to see how those numbers work out

The parsec is a unit of length; a football field is a unit of area; and Avagadro's number is ... well ... a (dimensionless) number. There are about 1029 soccerball pitches per square parsec, which is about 200,000 times Avagadro's number. In other words a square parsec could contain 200,000 moles of soccerball pitches. Does that answer your question?

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:02 pm UTC
by Marsh'n
Copper Bezel wrote:Oh, endlessly. My sense of humor is is 99% filtering. Or maybe just filters 99%, so the bad puns and intentional "cute" errors that get through are the top 1% of what my subconscious is inflicting on me.


Some years ago I discovered a correlation - the happier I am and the better my life is going, the more puns come out. It's been interesting to watch. It tends to create a vicious cycle (or virtuous, depending on your perspective) here on the xkcd forums, because reading them makes me happy which brings out the puns which causes others to counterpun (or punsaw, depending on where I am), which makes me happy... :P

ETE. (Edited to English)*

* Interesting. I realize that there are two ways to parse that - with "to" as a conventional preposition (c.f. "into") or as a particle (or a vestigial Middle English type preposition) in a snowcloned infinitive construction (c.f. "edited to add"), which is what I had originally intended.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:01 pm UTC
by markfiend
cellocgw wrote:but is it between one and ten... Parsecs converted to football field units? :twisted:

I'm assuming this actually means [American] football field as unit of length ≈ 110m

In which case 1 parsec ≈ 2.7e14 football fields

So no, nowhere near. You'd need about 2.2 gigaparsecs to get to NA football fields.

(Edit to add: sorry about the estimate's.)

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:22 pm UTC
by speising
the estimate's what?

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:50 pm UTC
by brenok
speising wrote:the estimate's what?


markfiend wrote:
mscha wrote:

Code: Select all

% perl6 -e '"/usr/share/dict/words".IO.lines.pick(5).say'
calmy whig Rossville factiousness polytheism


I'd rather do it in bash:

Code: Select all

$ shuf -n5 /usr/share/dict/words
vitreous
estimate's
Mosul
jabbing
intones

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:32 pm UTC
by speising
Oh, the "estimate's".
Anyway, that doesn't belong in a word file, imho. Any spellchecker should be smart enough to recognize that that's two words.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:45 pm UTC
by Copper Bezel
I believe your estimate's assumptions are off.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:39 pm UTC
by orthogon
markfiend wrote:
cellocgw wrote:but is it between one and ten... Parsecs converted to football field units? :twisted:

I'm assuming this actually means [American] football field as unit of length ≈ 110m

In which case 1 parsec ≈ 2.7e14 football fields

So no, nowhere near. You'd need about 2.2 gigaparsecs to get to NA football fields.

(Edit to add: sorry about the estimate's.)

Hmm, I think of a football pitch as a unit of area. However! We can all agree that the Wales is a unit of area, and by my calculation, a mole of Waleses would be about 14 square parsecs.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:19 pm UTC
by Echo244
Is a Wales measured as the 2-dimensional area it currently occupies on a map, one adjusted for the curvature of the Earth, or are you going to iron the whole country first and then measure surface area?

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:58 pm UTC
by david.windsor
peewee_RotA wrote:I sadly have to admit that I could only think of one animal off the top of my head (Eric Burdon). I hope it was okay to google the rest.

UPVOTE :D

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:07 pm UTC
by david.windsor
oyyedih wrote:I typed in "bus" as one of my animals. As a matter of fact, it's one of my spirit animals! Also, when it said "Please type "cat" here:" I typed in '"cat" here:'

same here

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:05 pm UTC
by Flumble
orthogon wrote:Hmm, I think of a football pitch as a unit of area. However! We can all agree that the Wales is a unit of area, and by my calculation, a mole of Waleses would be about 14 square parsecs.

The Wales is not a standardized unit. I don't believe Wales is even proven to exist, only highly probable based on experiments.

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:51 pm UTC
by ubikuberalles
HES wrote:
orthogon wrote:Manoeuvre

No word should have that many vowels in a row.


Then you'll probably hate this page: https://www.wordnik.com/lists/words-wit ... ive-vowels

And the word "queueing" has five - I said FIVE - vowels in a row. Oh me yarm! ;)

Re: 1572: "xkcd Survey"

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:30 am UTC
by Copper Bezel
Oh, wow. That page does make my eyeballs throw up a little. = o