Echo244 wrote:As noted in the forum rules, you need 5 posts that haven't been zapped from existence by the moderators before you can post links. Given you're posting here, I do suggest reading the rules.
Now read and I'll add an apology for my earlier double-post which is also on the list of Do Nots. My enthusiasm does get the better of me sometimes! Thanks for the pointer. As to the rest of your post - I couldn't agree more.
sotanaht wrote:[...]There are plenty of alternatives, including the simple "I don't care" and the more versatile "I don't give a ______". [...]
Oh, I meant to ask about that: am I right in thinking that "I could give a shit" is also in fairly common usage with a similarly counterliteral meaning?
I recall from my UK childhood some people using "Like I could give a shit" with both tone of voice and the 'like' indicating sarcasm. I've never heard the 'like' get dropped with time, instead I've simply not heard the phrase in a long time. In any case, it was less common than "couldn't give a shit" in my experience. I could see "Like I could care less" theoretically being an ancestor of the American "I could care less" but it sounds pretty cumbersome to my ears. That said, it's actually more work to say "I could care less" than it is to say "I couldn't care less" because the hard consonant at the end of 'could' jars more with the opening of the following word 'care' than the 'unt' sound of 'couldn't'. At least if you pronounce your consonants clearly. Two hard consonants like 'du' and 'keh' require an audible pause between them to distinguish the sounds. 'Du' is made by flicking the tongue from the upper front of the mouth to the lower front of the mouth. 'Keh' is made by lowering the tongue from the upper middle of the mouth to the lower middle and an opening of the mouth. I.e. the end of the first word is in the wrong position to start the next and the audible distinction is not a clear one as stated, and thus the necessary pause. If you try to do 'du' and 'keh' together with no pause, e.g. 'duhkeh', it corrupts into 'duggah' due to the tongue positions. Whereas you can go 'tehkeh' very rapidly. The closing of the first word in this case is the natural opening position of the second.
Which is all a very long way of saying that the phrase "I could care less" actually even sounds harder to say to my ears and thus even less sensible. I just gave the long explanation above because we get used to the way we say things and it's hard to see them objectively afterwards and I wanted to head off any "but this sounds more natural to me," resulting from what we're simply used to.
Anyway, I suspect Randall is pitching this to the wrong crowd with this one. We have a heavy preponderance here of [engineers | scientists] AND lovers of language here (often the same people). Both incline one to doing things the way they want or what is perceived as most correct or authentic, not simply the way that is most common.
J L wrote:Seems Randall has a problem with language wise-guys.
speising wrote:I'm not sure what Randall wants to say here. "You never know how you're interpreted so you shouldn't even try to be understandable."?
h4rm0ny wrote:I get that Randall is mocking people for caring about this [...]
You seem to assume that a character's lines represent the author's opinion. I'm not so sure that's the case in this case. And if we make that assumption about the last two panels, then shouldn't we make the same assumption about the seventh panel?
I don't assume that a character must be the voice of the author, per se. But I tend to presume that a barbed comic is aimed in accord with the author's views, lacking good reason to think otherwise. There are two characters in the comic, after all, and either or neither or both could theoretically reflect an author's views. However if the comic itself presents a criticism of some group of people, it is unlikely that the author is not critical of those people. Unless the criticism is obviously absurd, in which case it is typically lampooning those who make such criticisms.