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1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:26 am UTC
by Reecer6
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Title text: "This one is a little bland. Pass the saltshaker?"

Eating a lot of salt at one time is really difficult, so I'd totally just do this so I could ask "Oh, are you a bit SALTY?" to people who are frustrated or angry while throwing a bucket-full of salt on them.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:02 am UTC
by lorb
Please explain? I don't get this one at all

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:08 am UTC
by MetaThought
MOAR salt for the win.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:11 am UTC
by Envelope Generator
Dear Randall,

Eww.

Sincerely,
141/93 mmHg

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:25 am UTC
by JJCalem
That would totally be me. Even if it is bad for you I love salt, even by its self.

Re: 1637: "Saltmax"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:56 am UTC
by Eternal Density
HOMF NOMF NOMF for weirdest onomatopoeia I've seen in a while.
Reecer6 wrote:Eating a lot of salt at one time is really difficult, so I'd totally just do this so I could ask "Oh, are you a bit SALTY?" to people who are frustrated or angry while throwing a bucket-full of salt on them.
You can trawl the internet for 160 days, and all you'll find is more salt.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:03 am UTC
by mdog
Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"
Postby lorb » Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:02 am UTC
Please explain? I don't get this one at all


Now you know what it felt like back in the day. After a while, no one got it. Bizarrely I was connected to almost all parties.
Lived in Cleveland, got started in Brookhaven, did post grad study at Michigan, and I liked salt. By a twist of fate, however, I had nothing to do with the IMB, other than thinking it was a cool idea. At least at the start. Originally designed to show decay lifetime of a proton. They schlepped water with 10exp31 protons into a bucket a couple of hundred feet below Lake Erie in a salt mine near Cleveland. Watched for a year. Should have spotted a few decays. Nada. Upgrade! Yeah! Four times as sensitive now. Yeah! And... Quadruple nada. Hey, maybe protons only decay when they want to. Oooohhh. Consciousness among the baryons. Well, it kinda put the kibosh on certain expected-to-be-shown aspects of a Grand Unified Theory that had been eluding us all, maybe with the exception of Shakyamuni Buddha, but who really knows? Anyway, one good thing did come out of the 4x sensitivity of the detector.... It detected a bunch of neutrinos, yes, those evalusive little suckers, when a nearby star went nova. 1987. I mean, how lucky can one get? It was a very good year for the neutrino people. I'm not sure that any of my babbling elucidates Randalll'a cartoon, except perhaps to note that the time in the mine, waiting for one proton to decay in a whole year, may have been a tad dull. You know, you couldn't drink the water. Duh. "No, that proton didn't decay. Bob drank it." But, there was all that salt, which sadly, loses its perceived saltiness the more you eat. Well, I would guess that was not an enormous problem given where they were. I was indeed impressed that they maintained the civility to use a salt shaker. Yet, what else was there to do when out best laid schemes gang aft agley an' leave us naught but grief an' pain for promised joy? Civility should should at least prevail. I imagine that it was not so much a good time for the proton people and the GUTS people. Balance in the universe maintained, as the universe went on spinning as if in greased grooves.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:31 am UTC
by Murderbot
lorb wrote:Please explain? I don't get this one at all

It's actually a group of people who made a suicide pact. They're killing themselves by eating a lethal amount of salt.
mdog wrote:Hey, maybe protons only decay when they want to. Oooohhh. Consciousness among the bosons.

But protons are fermions. Or do you mean the hydrogen atom or water molecule?

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:10 am UTC
by KarenRei
mdog wrote:Hey, maybe protons only decay when they want to.


The electrons.... they're ANGRY!

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:30 am UTC
by teelo
New business idea: sell blood pressure medicine across the road.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:42 am UTC
by da Doctah
How come the stuff my doctor wants me to use instead of salt is the same stuff they use to carry out executions by lethal injection?

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:48 am UTC
by CharlieP
Envelope Generator wrote:Dear Randall,

Eww.

Sincerely,
141/93 mmHg


I've just realised I never actually knew what the units for blood pressure were until now. I wonder why we (the UK) still use mmHg when most other units we use in medicine have gone fully SI ("weight" in kg, height in metres, simple eye tests in metres[1], kJ instead of Calories[2] etc.). What does the rest of the world use?

[1] i.e. 5/5 instead of 20/20. Apparently I have 6/5 vision, but need glasses for reading!
[2] Although Calories are still pretty universal in the public sphere.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:13 pm UTC
by cellocgw
CharlieP wrote:
Envelope Generator wrote:Dear Randall,

Eww.

Sincerely,
141/93 mmHg


I've just realised I never actually knew what the units for blood pressure were until now. I wonder why we (the UK) still use mmHg when most other units we use in medicine have gone fully SI ("weight" in kg, height in metres, simple eye tests in metres[1], kJ instead of Calories[2] etc.). What does the rest of the world use?

[1] i.e. 5/5 instead of 20/20. Apparently I have 6/5 vision, but need glasses for reading!
[2] Although Calories are still pretty universal in the public sphere.


Absolutely: instead of mmHg, divide by 0.007500616827042 to get Pascals. Then ask 1e7 MDs to have a clue what that means.

I find it a bit of a wonder that the USandA doesn't do blood pressure in automobile-mass per football-field-squared :D

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:04 pm UTC
by Reecer6
Personally, I think we should measure blood pressure in atmospheres. You don't want to know how much blood is stuffed into my veins.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:11 pm UTC
by orthogon
CharlieP wrote:
Envelope Generator wrote:Dear Randall,

Eww.

Sincerely,
141/93 mmHg


I've just realised I never actually knew what the units for blood pressure were until now. I wonder why we (the UK) still use mmHg when most other units we use in medicine have gone fully SI ("weight" in kg, height in metres, simple eye tests in metres[1], kJ instead of Calories[2] etc.). What does the rest of the world use?

I was about to post the same thing. The Great Wiki suggests that the "gold standard", as used in clinical trials, uses a proper mercury manometer, so perhaps it's related to that. Or perhaps blood pressure is one of those things that might be crucial in an emergency situation, and you can't risk people misunderstanding the units.

Another thing: what's being measured appears to be gauge pressure: if you live in Mexico City, does your heart pump less hard, or does your BP read off the chart?

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:21 pm UTC
by heathenwench
Please ignore our vinegar fountain and chip machine...

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:36 pm UTC
by mdog
Murderbot wrote:
lorb wrote:Please explain? I don't get this one at all

mdog wrote:Hey, maybe protons only decay when they want to. Oooohhh. Consciousness among the bosons.

But protons are fermions. Or do you mean the hydrogen atom or water molecule?

No, sadly, I actually meant "baryons". Thanks for the catch. It was late, and I had obviously forgotten the fundamental rule that one should not write, much less publish, in the absence of brain activity above the brain stem. I just corrected two other typos also. Perhaps it was all that salt...

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:00 pm UTC
by Murderbot
mdog wrote:No, sadly, I actually meant "baryons". Thanks for the catch. It was late, and I had obviously forgotten the fundamental rule that one should not write, much less publish, in the absence of brain activity above the brain stem. I just corrected two other typos also. Perhaps it was all that salt...

Yes, especially on something as consequential as a web forum you should triple check everything for scientific accuracy before posting.

Thank you for having worked on trying to solve one of the fundamental problems in physics, by the way!

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:22 pm UTC
by Nonmomentus
I was disappointed. After having read "salt mine" in the context of science, I expected a reference to Aperture Science.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:05 pm UTC
by ShadeTail
lorb wrote:Please explain? I don't get this one at all

I think it's supposed to be that a bunch of salt-addicts are eating an entire mine of salt, and using the trappings of science to disguise what they're up to. But I'm only guessing.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:37 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
From the alt text they seem to be eating something other than salt, because they are adding the salt to whatever they're eating. Are they eating the cosmic rays?

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:50 pm UTC
by Tonyo
My first guess was "quark flavors". Maybe they use salt to enhance them...

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:05 pm UTC
by Solra Bizna
I used to crave salt so much that I would eat it directly, in shocking quantities. Turns out this happens to some people who get a lot of purified "table salt" in their diet but are also deficient in minerals that are found in natural sources of salt (like magnesium). If I eat sea salt, even a small amount, my salt craving disappears in a matter of minutes and I have a normal appetite for salt. (This can be awkward in the middle of a meal I've just salted "to taste".) If I go a week or two with table salt or no salt, the craving starts coming back and I catch myself doing things like dumping half a shaker of salt onto a single potato.

I watched a documentary about salt mining where an interviewee said that there are two responses to long-term exposure to so much salt: either you start putting way too much of it on your food so you can taste it at all, or you become so sick of salt that you never use it in cooking again.

I also remember reading somewhere that a high-sodium diet is bad for you only if you already have high blood pressure, and otherwise does not increase your risk of developing high blood pressure or any other health problem.[citation needed]

Pfhorrest wrote:From the alt text they seem to be eating something other than salt, because they are adding the salt to whatever they're eating. Are they eating the cosmic rays?

At first I hoped they were just eating salt, but the latter interpretation seems more correct to me. Cosmic rays do probably taste better with salt.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:16 pm UTC
by Neil_Boekend
About the alt text, I read it as: "This lump of salt is a little bland. Pass the saltshaker?".

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:17 pm UTC
by KevinRS
Solra Bizna wrote:I used to crave salt so much that I would eat it directly, in shocking quantities. Turns out this happens to some people who get a lot of purified "table salt" in their diet but are also deficient in minerals that are found in natural sources of salt (like magnesium). If I eat sea salt, even a small amount, my salt craving disappears in a matter of minutes and I have a normal appetite for salt. (This can be awkward in the middle of a meal I've just salted "to taste".) If I go a week or two with table salt or no salt, the craving starts coming back and I catch myself doing things like dumping half a shaker of salt onto a single potato.

I watched a documentary about salt mining where an interviewee said that there are two responses to long-term exposure to so much salt: either you start putting way too much of it on your food so you can taste it at all, or you become so sick of salt that you never use it in cooking again.

I also remember reading somewhere that a high-sodium diet is bad for you only if you already have high blood pressure, and otherwise does not increase your risk of developing high blood pressure or any other health problem.[citation needed]

Pfhorrest wrote:From the alt text they seem to be eating something other than salt, because they are adding the salt to whatever they're eating. Are they eating the cosmic rays?

At first I hoped they were just eating salt, but the latter interpretation seems more correct to me. Cosmic rays do probably taste better with salt.

I just figured they were wanting the salt shaker to salt the salt.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:37 pm UTC
by Sombrero Cat
Got to get your electrolytes, been saying it for years.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:43 pm UTC
by Steve the Pocket
Ooh! I like having lunch! Today I'm having this huge pile of salt!

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:09 pm UTC
by Muswell
As long as they don't accidentally tunnel through to the neighbouring pepper mine and cause a massive explosion, I don't see any problem with this scenario.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:26 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
Muswell wrote:As long as they don't accidentally tunnel through to the neighbouring pepper mine and cause a massive explosion, I don't see any problem with this scenario.


Or a flood from a local acidified lake...

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:47 pm UTC
by david.windsor
Tonyo wrote:My first guess was "quark flavors". Maybe they use salt to enhance them...

oh yah, quark, thats a potato chip flavour in Canada

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:39 pm UTC
by Mental Mouse
This would be me and my whole mother's side of the family -- heavy enough salt intake that "do we have enough salt shakers" was only half a joke at family gatherings. Also, anomalously low blood pressure -- I'm not the only one in the family who's been turned down to donate blood because my reading was too low. I don't think it's the mineral deficiency, because some of us have gone in for sea salt on occasion.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:30 am UTC
by addams
Salt mines?
umm...

Gold mines I have heard of.
Gold mines and dry cleaning solution

Gold mines find quiet cosmic evidence.
I've heard it said, "It is quiet work."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxMGWQMoR10

Maybe salt mines are so dull bright people turn to eating the experiment.
Maybe.

Salt mines are sometimes too pretty to eat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wieliczka_Salt_Mine
https://www.google.com/search?q=Wielicz ... 80&bih=526

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:08 am UTC
by RogueCynic
mdog wrote:
Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"
Postby lorb » Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:02 am UTC
Please explain? I don't get this one at all


Now you know what it felt like back in the day. After a while, no one got it. Bizarrely I was connected to almost all parties.
Lived in Cleveland, got started in Brookhaven, did post grad study at Michigan, and I liked salt. By a twist of fate, however, I had nothing to do with the IMB, other than thinking it was a cool idea. At least at the start. Originally designed to show decay lifetime of a proton. They schlepped water with 10exp31 protons into a bucket a couple of hundred feet below Lake Erie in a salt mine near Cleveland. Watched for a year. Should have spotted a few decays. Nada. Upgrade! Yeah! Four times as sensitive now. Yeah! And... Quadruple nada. Hey, maybe protons only decay when they want to. Oooohhh. Consciousness among the baryons. Well, it kinda put the kibosh on certain expected-to-be-shown aspects of a Grand Unified Theory that had been eluding us all, maybe with the exception of Shakyamuni Buddha, but who really knows? Anyway, one good thing did come out of the 4x sensitivity of the detector.... It detected a bunch of neutrinos, yes, those evalusive little suckers, when a nearby star went nova. 1987. I mean, how lucky can one get? It was a very good year for the neutrino people. I'm not sure that any of my babbling elucidates Randalll'a cartoon, except perhaps to note that the time in the mine, waiting for one proton to decay in a whole year, may have been a tad dull. You know, you couldn't drink the water. Duh. "No, that proton didn't decay. Bob drank it." But, there was all that salt, which sadly, loses its perceived saltiness the more you eat. Well, I would guess that was not an enormous problem given where they were. I was indeed impressed that they maintained the civility to use a salt shaker. Yet, what else was there to do when out best laid schemes gang aft agley an' leave us naught but grief an' pain for promised joy? Civility should should at least prevail. I imagine that it was not so much a good time for the proton people and the GUTS people. Balance in the universe maintained, as the universe went on spinning as if in greased grooves.


An old episode of "Law and Order" explained your results. A physicist tested for the decay of protons but did not find any. I turns out protons were decaying but not the way they expected, so the equipment wasn't picking up the decay.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:36 am UTC
by J%r
Solra Bizna wrote:I used to crave salt so much that I would eat it directly, in shocking quantities. Turns out this happens to some people who get a lot of purified "table salt" in their diet but are also deficient in minerals that are found in natural sources of salt (like magnesium). If I eat sea salt, even a small amount, my salt craving disappears in a matter of minutes and I have a normal appetite for salt. (This can be awkward in the middle of a meal I've just salted "to taste".) If I go a week or two with table salt or no salt, the craving starts coming back and I catch myself doing things like dumping half a shaker of salt onto a single potato.


I heard from people that went through some hazing ritual that if you keep the salt too long in your mouth it starts bleeding. That's why in college hazings you drink the beer immediately after getting spoonful of salt in your mouth. Not sure if it's true as I brush my teeth with some very salty toothpaste.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:33 am UTC
by StClair
Reecer6 wrote:Personally, I think we should measure blood pressure in atmospheres. You don't want to know how much blood is stuffed into my veins.


"The human body contains over 12 gallons of blood, sometimes more, under high pressure."
-- Rules of Anime, #18

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:46 am UTC
by Solra Bizna
J%r wrote:I heard from people that went through some hazing ritual that if you keep the salt too long in your mouth it starts bleeding. That's why in college hazings you drink the beer immediately after getting spoonful of salt in your mouth. Not sure if it's true as I brush my teeth with some very salty toothpaste.

I have only ever seen that kind of spontaneous bleeding happen with straight salt, undiluted by food or drink, deliberately pressed onto part of the mouth for minutes at a time. (This is, incidentally, an excellent---though excruciating---treatment for recurring apthous ulcers.)

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:30 am UTC
by Murderbot
Tonyo wrote:My first guess was "quark flavors". Maybe they use salt to enhance them...

Maybe they're eating hashes or bombs.
david.windsor wrote:oh yah, quark, thats a potato chip flavour in Canada

Quark is a kind of cottage cheese. Salt is a potato chip flavor in many places.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:45 pm UTC
by jewish_scientist
I am guessing that this is a reference to the IMB Detector. Why did they build that in a salt mine? I understand that they did it to stop cosmic rays from interfering with the experiment, but how would a salt mine help. My two guesses are that being far underground reduces the effects of cosmic rays, or that salt, which is made of two strongly charged ions, absorbs cosmic rays.

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:39 pm UTC
by Copper Bezel
My understanding was something along the lines of,

1. "Hey, I wonder if we could rent out this massive enclosed hole in the ground that we've produced as a side effect of our salt business?"

2. "Hey, I wonder where we could find a massive enclosed hole in the ground?"

1 & 2. "Heeeey."

Re: 1637: "Salt Mine"

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:49 pm UTC
by orthogon

This one in Zipaquirá, near Bogotá, Colombia, isn't as ornate but is pretty awesome in terms of scale.

My guess is that for geological reasons it's possible to remove salt in large, regular shapes, which leaves you with an eminently useable underground space. As I recall, the Colombian mine consisted of 10m×10m×20m cuboids joined by a tunnel. Presumably other types of mineral deposit are found in seams that the miners have to follow, and what you're left with isn't as useful. Salt mines have been used for all sorts of purposes, from archives to seed banks.