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1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:17 pm UTC
by Mauthe Dhoo
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Alt-Text: TinyURL was the most popular link shortener for long enough that it made it into a lot of printed publications. I wonder what year the domain will finally lapse and get picked up by a porn site.

This is why we have Perma.cc!

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:18 pm UTC
by Neil_Boekend
I hope it gets used for the ultimate Rickroll.

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:41 pm UTC
by cellocgw
Interesting variation on the Prisoner's Dilemma.

Tho' I happen to know a few gearheads who would drool at the chance to steal a wienermobile.

Now you'll have to excuse my while I set up https://nanoURL.net

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:50 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
cellocgw wrote:Interesting variation on the Prisoner's Dilemma.


I don't think this qualifies as a PD variant, any more than Pascal's Wager does...

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:55 pm UTC
by theModge
I note that purl.org has been having difficulties of late, ironic for a site dedicated to permanence...

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:28 pm UTC
by JimsMaher
Suppose, in a hundred years or whenever, when today's hyperlinking protocols is obsolete, some philanthropic organization takes stewardship of addresses as they would pass into obsolescence. They might redirect queries to archived versions or, if lacking a preserved version, provide the most relevant information available about the site.

Archival internetting has already been going on with the Internet Archive/Wayback Machine. There was also Google's cached versions of pages ... but I guess there was enough yelling (?) that Google had to stop.

If preservation of publicly accessible, online materials is already a thing, despite being a hairy concern in the present, then it's easy to infer that once intellectual property rights of defunct websites begin to pass into the public domain there will be a veritable treasure trove of outdated links to salvage from the heap of squatters that might inevitably gather, atleast in the waning years of the internet as we know it today.

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:51 pm UTC
by wumpus
Nuclear launch codes: Presumably these are what the President gets from the football, not the "0000" that for all we know is still used to arm the nuclear weapons.

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:00 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
wumpus wrote:Nuclear launch codes: Presumably these are what the President gets from the football, not the "0000" that for all we know is still used to arm the nuclear weapons.

I thought it was 12345... (I've got the same combination on my luggage...)

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:27 pm UTC
by Coyoty
I get nuclear lunch codes from Chinese menus.

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:01 pm UTC
by popman
Mauthe Dhoo wrote:-- snip --
This is why we have Perma.cc!


Isn't that just archive.is with a snazzier look, and people relocating content?


On topic though, It's probably a good thing that tinyurl uses 301 redirects as they're cached forever.
My opinion is, as always, url shortening was a fucking awful idea.

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:21 pm UTC
by Xanthir
I blame early Twitter.

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:40 am UTC
by Mauthe Dhoo
popman wrote:
Mauthe Dhoo wrote:-- snip --
This is why we have Perma.cc!


Isn't that just archive.is with a snazzier look, and people relocating content?


On topic though, It's probably a good thing that tinyurl uses 301 redirects as they're cached forever.
My opinion is, as always, url shortening was a fucking awful idea.


I disagree - url shorteners have been exceedingly useful to me and many others for a long time.

As for archives, I don't know much about the various alternatives that are available, and your post made me curious so I looked into it.

I see two primary differences between Perma.cc and Archive.is. First is that Perma.cc lets users log in and curate their links, which is a very helpful function for scholarly work. Second is that Perma.cc is run by a consortium of libraries, for which the service is only one part of a larger, well-established, and well-funded preservation mission, which makes it sufficiently reliable for my purposes. I looked at the Archive.is FAQ and blog, and it appears to be a hobbyist side project run by a couple of altruistic individuals who had the opportunity to share server space they weren't using. They appear to have been wading through three years of controversy about national censorship, child porn removal, and ineffectual piracy, which is a lot of liability exposure to expect a few private individuals running a few private servers to endure for decades to come. Since a moderated login is required for Perma.cc, that sort of crap stays off the archive, and the technical and legal fortitude of giant old university libraries serve as a stronger defense against bad actors.

Looking around, I found some other alternatives like also WebCite, which is a competitor that seems to have been born from the open access movement and is associated with U Toronto, but it's private too. Archive.org of course has a broader purpose, but might be a viable alternative.

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:36 am UTC
by xtifr
Bah, URL-shorteners are for wimps. What you need is a URL-terrorizer like ShadyUrl. They may or may not end up short, but they're pretty much guaranteed to end up scarier!

Click on this if you dare (yes, it's perfectly safeā€”for now): http://www.5z8.info/barely-legal_s4m7ps_-----TAKE.TWITTER.LOGIN-----

:mrgreen:

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:16 am UTC
by Copper Bezel
Aw, I was hoping for Rick Astley.

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:24 am UTC
by ps.02
Copper Bezel wrote:Aw, I was hoping for Rick Astley.

Oh man, we the Internet are never gonna give that up, are we?

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:23 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
ps.02 wrote:
Copper Bezel wrote:Aw, I was hoping for Rick Astley.

Oh man, we the Internet are never gonna give that up, are we?


At least we're never gonna let you down...

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:38 pm UTC
by Keyman
Rarely do so many posts come together to lead us directly to this:

http://www.5z8.info/--INITIATE-CREDIT-C ... n_rickroll

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:30 pm UTC
by flicky1991
Why do those 5z8.info links never work for me?

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:09 pm UTC
by Mauthe Dhoo
I'm so disappointed that I can't get them to work, because a link shadyfier is about the funniest thing I've seen in a month!

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:45 pm UTC
by Old Bruce
Imagine two alternate worlds. The first has the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile and the TinyURL.com Domain Name more difficult to steal than either the crown jewels or the launch codes. This is not an impossible to imagine world, it only requires one or more individuals with more money than Croesus and the desire to protect a novelty car and a fancy hat.

In the second world changes the relationship of how bad the thefts would be. Would that world be more or less frightening than this one? Someone steals the crown jewels and that means we all die, the theft of the Wienermobile has a worse effect than the Internet being crippled.

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:33 pm UTC
by SuicideJunkie
For your 2nd world:
1) Imagine all the launch codes are set to say 000000, and the use of the system depends on the classic chain of people instead.
2) Imagine if people simply told these folks to stop being silly with their links instead of blindly making clicks of faith daily.

Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:52 pm UTC
by 12obin
I suspect it's a pretty specific niche of porn that wants to associate itself with the word "tiny", so we might be safe.