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1775: "Things You Learn"

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:42 pm UTC
by Raidri
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Title text: Guess who has two thumbs and spent the night in an ER after trying to rescue a kitten that ran under his car at a stoplight and climbed up into the engine compartment? And, thanks to antibiotics, will continue having two thumbs? THIS GUY. (P.S. kitten is safe!)

Apparently I'm one of the lucky lucky ten thousand today (the cat bite part).

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:07 pm UTC
by Wooloomooloo
Okay, this is ridiculous. Not to claim that cat bites are "harmless" - I don't think the bite of any animal can be guaranteed to be "safe", so yes having it checked & treated is always better than not - but if they were as frighteningly dangerous as insinuated, absolutely requiring an ER visit no exceptions, homo sapiens would have gone extinct after the first decade of its existence. Or, at the very absolute minimum the term "cat lady" would simply not exist.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:07 pm UTC
by orthogon
I dispute "Lyrics to 12 Days of Christmas". I doubt most people can sing them all, without hesitation or Googling; most of us would get stuck beyond "Five Gohold Riiiiiings". Or are they somehow drilled into schoolkids in the US?

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:43 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
I only have a problem with the 12 days because I learnt it as 9 Drummers, 10 Pipers, 11 Ladies then 12 Lords (probably due to someone having a feeling of ranking that placed nobility above musicians, and seemingly percussion rhythm not being as appreciated as a tune1) yet it tends to be commonly Ladies<Lords<Pipers<Drummers in all contemporary versions, and this is now the version I expect and default to.

(But you can often Rhubarb the first mention of a placeholder, if part of a mass chorus where they are clued in on the local sorting and you are not, immediately gather the exact working as you go and predicting the last one (mentioned just the once) in advance once enough of the others are ticked off ypur mental list. And you know that the Gold Rings are the fall-back muster point if you're still confused by the top-end of the lust...)

1 Or, conversley, without the drummers setting things up with the rhythm, the pipers would be all over the shop...

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:51 pm UTC
by SerialTroll
Thanks for this comic. Seeing it just added a "TO DO" for me... talk about abusive relationships with my 12-year-old daughter (and probably son too now that I think about it). I grabbed this for talking points: http://www.ywca.org/atf/cf/%7BC783A7F4- ... ps%201.pdf

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:55 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
Yeah chalk me up for another person dubious about the severity of cat bites. My family had lots of cats throughout my entire childhood and I was bitten and scratched plenty of times and never saw a doctor for any of it and turned out fine for it.

Then again we also had parrots who could nominally tear a finger off and I was always the one to feed a particularly violent one because I was the only one who didn't mind letting him gnaw on one hand while I poured his food with the other, so maybe I just had super animal-proof skin or something.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:58 pm UTC
by DanD
SerialTroll wrote:Thanks for this comic. Seeing it just added a "TO DO" for me... talk about abusive relationships with my 12-year-old daughter (and probably son too now that I think about it). I grabbed this for talking points: http://www.ywca.org/atf/cf/%7BC783A7F4- ... ps%201.pdf


Definitely the son as well. Female on male physical abuse is more common that people realize (as well as male on male if he happens to be oriented that way), and emotional abuse is no respecter of gender at all.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:07 pm UTC
by ddpruitt
I think its not quite worded correctly. Very few cat bites are dangerous, but those that are dangerous are REALLY dangerous. So if you do get bitten by a Cat (or any other animal) the wound should be cleaned and you should be checked out, just in case you were bitten by lycanthrope....

On another note: did anyone read the alt-text and automatically change the tone of their inner voice at "this guy"?

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:08 pm UTC
by DanD
http://www.medicaldaily.com/cat-bites-p ... nts-tissue

Now, admittedly, this is just for those patients who seek medical attention for cat bites, so it's not clear what percentage of total bites are serious, but it is clear that they can be significant, even ones that are often dismissed as minor.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:46 pm UTC
by Kalium_Puceon
As I read this I thought "huh, this sounds familiar. Cat bite is an oddly specific topic."

Turns out I had read this a week back: http://www.xkcdb.com/10358

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:57 pm UTC
by Reka
Aw, Randall has a kitten. :)

(People who are saying that cat bites aren't that serious are probably thinking of cat scratches. Those can still be serious, but mostly, you just wash it and call it good. An actual *bite*, like all deep puncture wounds, needs medical attention.)

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:11 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
The ability (or probability) of a cat to produce something I would call a "deep puncture wound" is what I'm doubting. All the cat bites I remember ever getting never amounted to more than a few pinpricks (if that), or like, being poked (not stabbed) with a not-especially-sharp knife. Maybe being pinched by a staple-remover is the closest analogy. The combination of force and sharpness enough to produce a serious injury is something I've never experienced a cat actually producing, and one of our cats was a rescued stray prone to freaking the fuck out so I'd expect I would have if it was a thing that often happened.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:15 pm UTC
by Moose Anus
Late at night, Randall stops at a stop light. As he's waiting for it to turn green, he mumbles, "You're a kitty." The light turns green, he steps on the gas and says, "Oh pretty kitty. Wait what?" He pulls over, pops the hood, gets out and opens it. A cat jumps out and bites him on the face, puncturing his nose in four places. "Good kitty kitty," he says as blood streams down his chin. It has begun.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:17 pm UTC
by Yu_p
You should be more cpncerned about man-bites. Those are really dangerous, I hear. (Also, for most people even less likely than deep cat bites.)

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:19 pm UTC
by ManaUser
Not all bites cause puncture wounds. A cat can bite playfully, or even threateningly, but not hard enough to break the skin. I'm assuming you're going to be fine in that case... goodness knows I've experienced that often enough. But if it draws blood, then yeah it's serious.

As a side note, it's serious for cats too. Over the years I've had to take cats to the vet for abscesses caused by bites from other cats more often than any other ailment.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:19 pm UTC
by philip1201
Usually if you forget to pay taxes, you get a few warning letters explaining the concept to you before things go too wrong. I'd put it to the left of 'how to ride a bike', but I'm Dutch so I'm biased.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:25 pm UTC
by HES
Pfhorrest wrote:The ability (or probability) of a cat to produce something I would call a "deep puncture wound" is what I'm doubting. All the cat bites I remember ever getting never amounted to more than a few pinpricks (if that), or like, being poked (not stabbed) with a not-especially-sharp knife

That sounds like an "I am letting you know I am angry" bite, rather than an "I am trying to damage you" bite. Hamsters make that distinction, I don't see why cats wouldn't too.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:14 pm UTC
by dlep
Cat scratch fever (which, yes, you can get from a bite from a cat) isn't something to shrug off lightly. (Neither is tetanus, which you can get just by stepping on something sharp and dirty.)

Basically, if you don't know where it's been and it's come in contact with the wrong side of your skin, you probably want to either head to the doctor or have already taken care of it. (Tetanus is something you can get a vaccine for, and you need a booster every 5-10 years, so if you know you've gotten that vaccine in the last 5 years you can go ahead and step on that rusty nail if you really, really want to. But if you don't... don't take tetanus lightly. It's nasty.)

All of which is to say, don't get punctured. It's a bad idea.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:38 pm UTC
by cellocgw
dlep wrote:Cat scratch fever (which, yes, you can get from a bite from a cat) isn't something to shrug off lightly.


But when you get it from a retired gun-toting crappy rockstar, then watch out.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:49 pm UTC
by Quizatzhaderac
philip1201 wrote:Usually if you forget to pay taxes, you get a few warning letters explaining the concept to you before things go too wrong. I'd put it to the left of 'how to ride a bike', but I'm Dutch so I'm biased.
In America, there's sometimes a gap knowing that the government would like you to pay tax, and that you have to..

But yes, unless one is willfully ignorant the government will politely remind you and provide small penalties at first here as well.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:55 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
philip1201 wrote:I'd put it to the left of 'how to ride a bike', but I'm Dutch so I'm biased.
...which must make it hard to ride your bike, or at least increase the chance of your upper body colliding with other riders or street furniture.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:22 pm UTC
by Sableagle
DanD wrote:
SerialTroll wrote:Thanks for this comic. Seeing it just added a "TO DO" for me... talk about abusive relationships with my 12-year-old daughter (and probably son too now that I think about it). I grabbed this for talking points: http://www.ywca.org/atf/cf/%7BC783A7F4- ... ps%201.pdf


Definitely the son as well. Female on male physical abuse is more common that people realize (as well as male on male if he happens to be oriented that way), and emotional abuse is no respecter of gender at all.


Also it might be a good idea to give him the list of What Not To Do. Everyone pretty much sleepwalks into love and reacts to it as to a large glass of fortified wine, a bucket of ice water, a pound of strong chocolate and a triple shot of espresso all at once, and mistakes get made.

...

Somewhere off the bottom of the chart, smudged from left-of-centre to way off the right margin: "That romance shit can seriously fuck you up."

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:41 pm UTC
by RCT Bob
philip1201 wrote:Usually if you forget to pay taxes, you get a few warning letters explaining the concept to you before things go too wrong. I'd put it to the left of 'how to ride a bike', but I'm Dutch so I'm biased.


I don't think the tax paying should be moved, I think the bike riding should be moved for Dutch people. Probably to somewhere underneath the tax paying, but just as far right.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:54 pm UTC
by BrianB
There is really one and only one appropriate forum comment for this comic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fit99l6kHyA
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Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:03 pm UTC
by keithl
Cat bites are very dangerous vectors of infection, especially for cartoonists. If the cat that bit Randall had previously bitten Jeff Keane, Randall would be drawing Family Circus cartoons now, and we would all be screaming and clawing our eyes out. Fortunately, he received prompt professional care.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:21 pm UTC
by Showsni
orthogon wrote:I dispute "Lyrics to 12 Days of Christmas". I doubt most people can sing them all, without hesitation or Googling; most of us would get stuck beyond "Five Gohold Riiiiiings". Or are they somehow drilled into schoolkids in the US?


Remember, it's Colly Birds, not Calling Birds.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:37 pm UTC
by ShuRugal
Pfhorrest wrote:The ability (or probability) of a cat to produce something I would call a "deep puncture wound" is what I'm doubting. All the cat bites I remember ever getting never amounted to more than a few pinpricks (if that), or like, being poked (not stabbed) with a not-especially-sharp knife. Maybe being pinched by a staple-remover is the closest analogy. The combination of force and sharpness enough to produce a serious injury is something I've never experienced a cat actually producing, and one of our cats was a rescued stray prone to freaking the fuck out so I'd expect I would have if it was a thing that often happened.


fun fact: if your domestic cat is biting you, it is probably just saying "I love you".

Cats rarely give full-force bites, even in self defense, unless you are physically restraining them: They prefer a quick nip that lets them disengage quickly and run while you are still worried about the bite itself.

If they do decide to give it to you with both barrels, hot water, soap, and a hydrogen peroxide rinse should be your immediate first steps, followed by professional medical attention.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:21 am UTC
by Soupspoon
Showsni wrote:Remember, it's Colly Birds, not Calling Birds.

Rather depends on the version of the lyrics. Modern versions ending with pipers and then drummers tend to go with Calling (singing) Birds rather than Colly ones (sooted, black, thus likely blackbirds, themselves quite proficient singers, the European versions at least). Fashions have changed over time, on that one.

Some versions have it as Canary Birds, even, but that's harder to obfuscate as either of the others through indistinct pronunciation as the other two are with each other.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:08 am UTC
by billybobfred
Kalium_Puceon wrote:As I read this I thought "huh, this sounds familiar. Cat bite is an oddly specific topic."

Turns out I had read this a week back: http://www.xkcdb.com/10358

Is this the same bite? explainxkcd says the title text bite was "the night before the comic", which I accepted because it would explain why the comic was a few hours late, but then I noticed that the actual title text doesn't seem to specify when the encounter happened.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:19 am UTC
by RogueCynic
I have had two cat bites other than play bites. One was from a cat that was fighting with another. I did not clean it or seek medical attention. I remember seeing one of the veins in the hand turning blue for a few days but seem to be fine now. The other was a nip from a cat who did not get a belly rub. He broke the skin and left a bruise, no other damage.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:37 am UTC
by OP Tipping
I was given to understand that, in this new era, paying taxes was not for smart people.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:16 am UTC
by azule
Moose Anus wrote:Late at night, Randall stops at a stop light. As he's waiting for it to turn green, he mumbles, "You're a kitty." The light turns green, he steps on the gas and says, "Oh pretty kitty. Wait what?" He pulls over, pops the hood, gets out and opens it. A cat jumps out and bites him on the face, puncturing his nose in four places. "Good kitty kitty," he says as blood streams down his chin. It has begun.

Opened hood. Received cat scratch fever. Would not stop again.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:51 pm UTC
by J%r
Actually taxes are subtracted from your wage when you get it (at least it's the case here), which is usually too much. Filling in all the (paperless) paperwork online is to get the money they stole from you back. They already know everything so it's a way to see if you have income they didn't know about. And if you figure out how to 'pay' less taxes, you might get chosen to send all your paperwork, having to print all the invoices you've gotten digitally and so on.

Normally cats don't move towards loud things. If you start your engine, cats are the first to run away. Unless you have a tesla perhaps, then you don't hear it much.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:29 pm UTC
by suffer-cait
So when you get a serious cat bite, like a deep "I think I might be fighting for my life bite" you will end up with a small hole. However, that hole goes quite further. So basically it's injected its mouth bacteria deep into your body. So step one: infection. But it only looks like a little thing! Then, it heals. Or, the visible wound heals over, but the inside wound didn't heal, which means the inside wound can't drain out, which is how abscesses happen. This can be terrible, and if in an important body part, like a hand, permenantly disable you.

/me totally went to a hospital in the middle of the night before a flight so as to avoid the ramifications. Had an annoying couple weeks healing, but also have vacation not ruined by a destroyed right hand.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:46 pm UTC
by PRadish
Long-time lurker, just registered to say that I've never learnt anything about dryers (the kind they have in laundrettes, right?) and I don't even know what "stop, drop and roll" is, although I'll be sure to google it as soon as I've posted this.

The world is a very big place.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:25 pm UTC
by gmalivuk
"Stop, drop, and roll" is what you do when you catch on fire.

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:30 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Unless you're actually in the middle of a firewalk. Then that's not so wise. (But then the same might be said about the firewalking. :P)

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:53 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
Soupspoon wrote:Unless you're actually in the middle of a firewalk. Then that's not so wise. (But then the same might be said about the firewalking. :P)


For most firewalks, dropping and rolling to one side is fine (stopping may not be) - they tend to be fairly narrow...

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:44 am UTC
by Carteeg_Struve
God dammit. I just got "We Didn't Start The Fire" out of my head! Now it's back! *weeps*

Re: 1775: Things You Learn

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:00 am UTC
by Soupspoon
That lyric was never out of your head. It was always burning, since the world's been turning.

(You didn't light it, but tried to fight it.)