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1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:14 pm UTC
by Zooty
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Title text: "My favorite might be U+1F609 U+1F93F WINKING FACE VOMITING."

At least vomiting poop did not come up (before now).

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:15 pm UTC
by Whizbang
I hear the new Emoji movie will just be vomitting emoji for 2 hours.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:19 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Zooty wrote:At least vomiting poop did not come up (before now).

GOOMHZooty!

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:34 pm UTC
by The Snide Sniper
I have to say this is absolutely hilarious. Somebody needs to actually propose this.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:38 pm UTC
by Flumble
Yes! Yes! Go on! Continue adding so many modifiers to unicode until it becomes a full-fledged language allowing you to describe unicode with unicode!

Modifiers were a mistake. (most notably skin tones)

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:45 pm UTC
by cellocgw
I want vomiting vomit.

BTW, there's already a 'vomit comet' IRL (look it up :P ) but it's not actually vomiting externally.

We could add a real-world-relevant emoji of a dog *eating* vomit, which they happily do.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:09 pm UTC
by Zinho
I'm holding out for U+1F52B U+1F93F vomiting gun

I have to wonder, though, if it'll have different significance on the iPhone when Apple turns it into a vomiting squirt gun...

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:10 pm UTC
by Mirkwood
Flumble wrote:Modifiers were a mistake. (most notably skin tones)


Modifiers themselves are fine. Some languages have a bunch of them, and they have so many characters that adding a new character for every combination is inefficient. I'm more inclined to say that emojis were a mistake, because A) most fonts don't support a significant part of the range and B) most people are only exposed to one or two emoji fonts anyway, which defeats the point of Unicode.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:29 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Mirkwood wrote:
Flumble wrote:Modifiers were a mistake. (most notably skin tones)


Modifiers themselves are fine. Some languages have a bunch of them, and they have so many characters that adding a new character for every combination is inefficient. I'm more inclined to say that emojis were a mistake, because A) most fonts don't support a significant part of the range and B) most people are only exposed to one or two emoji fonts anyway, which defeats the point of Unicode.


I must say that I only use the integrated image smilies, here, because they are integrated and I have to do something special (as I just have done :oops: ) for the time-honoured ;) and :( to not auto-convert.

On the next tablet over, I have people next to me in a frivolous game's high-score table with (by my uneducated eye) a red-haired oriental woman's head and shoulders icon (or maybe those are alien antenae, not those "chopsticks in the hairbun" thing) as part of the username... Wow. All well and good. Except that the person concerned is clearly flagged as German. There's also often Kanji/etc characters in the list, but not right now (the next most exotic non-emoji character is a series of ###s on one username).

I say, allow alphabetical (or typographical, or pictographical) symbols of all kinds actually in linguistic use (they can abuse a mixture of Chinese and Arabic either side of Latin punctuation to their hearts' contents), but pure pictures go too far in "Name" fields. If they couldmbe filtered against.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:40 pm UTC
by Jorpho
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Mirkwood wrote:I'm more inclined to say that emojis were a mistake, because A) most fonts don't support a significant part of the range and B) most people are only exposed to one or two emoji fonts anyway, which defeats the point of Unicode.
Remember around ten years ago, when there were all those obnoxious banner ads urging you to install someone's proprietary whatsit so you could communicate with others using talking emoji? I'm not sure if the current situation is an improvement.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:44 pm UTC
by dash
That was a good one. Like old times...

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:54 pm UTC
by sotanaht
The vomiting modifier is weirdly apropos, given that's more or less my reaction to the use of emoji in general.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:36 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
Emoji are a necessary part of the standard because the primary mission of Unicode is to losslessly interconvert between all of the pre-existing text encodings and many of those (especially the CJK ones) have emoji, so Unicode must support at least those emoji to accomplish its primary mission.

Adding race or gender modifiers seems a logical response to subsequent user complaints along the lines of "why is there only a dancing woman? I'm a man and I want to show dancing, why is there no dancing man?" (Actually I don't know that race modifiers really are necessary as I'm not sure there's anything racially identifying in any of the original emoji, so rendering them all in the traditional yellow seems racially-neutral enough to me).

Beyond that though, it's quite possible that this extension of emoji in unicode is getting a little out of hand.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:54 pm UTC
by somitomi
sotanaht wrote:The vomiting modifier is weirdly apropos, given that's more or less my reaction to the use of emoji in general.

Or to their inclusion in Unicode.
Whizbang wrote:I hear the new Emoji movie will just be vomitting emoji for 2 hours.

Whatever that movie will be, it is completely irrelevant. The world was beyond repair the moment this movie made it past the elevator pitch.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:58 pm UTC
by The Snide Sniper
Would this combining character affect characters other than emoji? I want to see a "vomiting Greek letter P".

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:03 pm UTC
by drewnolan
Composition before Inheritance! I love it!

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:04 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
somitomi wrote:Whatever that movie will be, it is completely irrelevant. The world was beyond repair the moment this movie made it past the elevator pitch.

That it has Patrick Stewart in it, in the role he will have... must mean something.

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :arrow: :|

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:09 pm UTC
by SecondTalon
Soupspoon wrote:
somitomi wrote:Whatever that movie will be, it is completely irrelevant. The world was beyond repair the moment this movie made it past the elevator pitch.

That it has Patrick Stewart in it, in the role he will have... must mean something.

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :arrow: :|

It means Stewart loves the ganj.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:20 pm UTC
by keithl
Re: xkcd cartoons about emoji and vomiting ...
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Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:41 pm UTC
by uncleroy
This made me remember an old site, Rainbows Puking Rainbows: http://www.rainbowpuke.com/

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:51 pm UTC
by a9s
Can't wait to see how this will be integrated into those "emojis as variable names" proposals.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:44 pm UTC
by glasnt
So there's no proposal required to get this happening. It'd be a vendor adoption (like gendered professions). So Android/Apple/Facebook just need to implement [WHATEVER][ZWJ][VOMIT] and it'll happen.

It'll be gross, but it'll happen.

But don't take my word for it.


Hi joee

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:06 pm UTC
by Steve the Pocket
One thing that's always bugged me about emoji is that there's no way to customize their colors beyond any built-in modifiers that might exist. I realize you wouldn't want them to always automatically take on the color assigned to the block of text they're in, but there are also a number of cases where being whatever color the OS makes them looks worse.

The other problem I have with them is that they're always constrained to the point size of the surrounding text, whereas traditional emoticons can be as big as the designers think is necessary. Anyone who's seen emojis in, say, YouTube comments on standard 96 dpi screens knows why this sucks.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:15 pm UTC
by DanD
I had, fortunately, managed to avoid all knowledge of the emoji movie until this thread. Even on first reading, I thought it was a joke. It is not. :(

However, given the plot, it sounds more like it could be derived from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Men than the emojis themselves. While this is likely not the case, I am choosing to believe it for my mental well being.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:48 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
SecondTalon wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:
somitomi wrote:Whatever that movie will be, it is completely irrelevant. The world was beyond repair the moment this movie made it past the elevator pitch.

That it has Patrick Stewart in it, in the role he will have... must mean something.

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :arrow: :|

It means Stewart loves the ganj.

Or he wants to seal his escape from the role of Charles Xavier?

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:30 pm UTC
by SecondTalon
He voices an amoral coke-addicted psychopathic CIA director on a Seth McFarlane show. Then, after recording his lines for the day, he goes on to his evening gig at the Theatre, acting in whatever Shakespeare play he's doing that week.

Dude don't give a fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:41 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
Steve the Pocket wrote:standard 96 dpi screens

72dpi is a standard screen

96dpi is some johnny come lately microsoft abomination

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:36 am UTC
by da Doctah
rmsgrey wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:That it has Patrick Stewart in it, in the role he will have... must mean something.

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :arrow: :|

It means Stewart loves the ganj.

Or he wants to seal his escape from the role of Charles Xavier?


I think the man knows how to escape a role. He got the Professor X gig after being mercilessly typecast as Captain Picard.

I'd be interested to see him as the thirteenth Doctor.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:03 am UTC
by RAGBRAIvet
What is the big deal with these ferschlugginer emojis?
If anyone, anywhere, ever catches me using emojis, please take the phone from my hand and break all my fingers.

Smileys, on the other hand, are still OK.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:08 am UTC
by RAGBRAIvet
DanD wrote:I had, fortunately, managed to avoid all knowledge of the emoji movie until this thread. Even on first reading, I thought it was a joke. It is not. :(

However, given the plot, it sounds more like it could be derived from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Men than the emojis themselves. While this is likely not the case, I am choosing to believe it for my mental well being.

I have not spent any money on films like "Pixels", "Battleship", any of the "Transformer" franchise, or any of the LEGO movies.  You can add this 'emoji movie' abomination to that same list.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:16 am UTC
by Soupspoon
RAGBRAIvet wrote:I have not spent any money on films like "Pixels", "Battleship", any of the "Transformer" franchise, or any of the LEGO movies.  You can add this 'emoji movie' abomination to that same list.

Of those, I would say that The Lego Movie (yet to see the Batman one) is the absolute exception to the rest in that you really should see it, some time.

(Which is not to say that I understand you as having not seen it, merely that you have not spent any money on it... But on the assumption that you haven't done the former either, rather than spuriously disagree through your actual experience, seeing it is still my general advice, whether the pecuniary fallout is part of that or otherwise.)

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:18 am UTC
by prebijak
How should U+1F93F VOMITING MODIFIER interact with U+200D ZERO WIDTH JOINER (for example in this emoji). Is there something like priority of operations in Unicode?

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:14 pm UTC
by fibonacci
A new corollary to Bill Watterson's "Verbing wierds language." "Vomiting wierds emoji."

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:40 pm UTC
by eran_rathan
This comic is strangely relebant, as I've been vomiting since Sunday. GOOM(GITract), Randall.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:46 pm UTC
by Steve the Pocket
Pfhorrest wrote:
Steve the Pocket wrote:standard 96 dpi screens

72dpi is a standard screen

96dpi is some johnny come lately microsoft abomination

I base my assessment on what anyone anywhere actually still uses, and I haven't seen anything below 96 since the pre-LCD days except on those deliberately oversized screens for people who need the Large Print Edition. (And even 96 is exclusively desktops now; laptops hover around 144 or something if they're not straight-up "retina" screens.)

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:35 pm UTC
by Diadem
RAGBRAIvet wrote:
DanD wrote:I had, fortunately, managed to avoid all knowledge of the emoji movie until this thread. Even on first reading, I thought it was a joke. It is not. :(

However, given the plot, it sounds more like it could be derived from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Men than the emojis themselves. While this is likely not the case, I am choosing to believe it for my mental well being.

I have not spent any money on films like "Pixels", "Battleship", any of the "Transformer" franchise, or any of the LEGO movies.  You can add this 'emoji movie' abomination to that same list.

Pixels and all transformer movies are utterly terrible, and I'd fully recommend not watching them to anyone. But battleship was surprisingly entertaining. Not good, but entertaining in a B-movie kind of way.

And the Lego Movie was one of the best movies of that year. It was a really good and funny movie. And I'm not the only one saying that, the movie was universally lauded by critics and audiences alike. It absolutely does not belong on that list.

The more recent lego batman movie was also good, but not nearly as much.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:10 pm UTC
by somitomi
RAGBRAIvet wrote: You can add this 'emoji movie' abomination to that same list.

And remove the LEGO movie. It's not the greatest thing I've ever seen, but it's quite entertaining and I really like the animation. Mostly because it resembles the stop-motion "brickfilms" I've been watching on Youtube for a long time now, and I think that's intentional.

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:34 am UTC
by Flumble
Mirkwood wrote:
Flumble wrote:Modifiers were a mistake. (most notably skin tones)


Modifiers themselves are fine. Some languages have a bunch of them, and they have so many characters that adding a new character for every combination is inefficient. I'm more inclined to say that emojis were a mistake, because A) most fonts don't support a significant part of the range and B) most people are only exposed to one or two emoji fonts anyway, which defeats the point of Unicode.

My bad, I meant modifiers within emoji specifically. In the regular character blocks I'd argue the opposite, the combined characters, are a mistake. But alas, unicode is the describing organisation, not the prescribing one.


Diadem wrote:The more recent lego batman movie was also good, but not nearly as much.

Heh, I was going to say it comes nowhere close to the lego movie, but I accidentally skipped through the Lego Batman: The Movie – DC Super Heroes Unite, not The lego batman movie. Slightly huge difference. :oops:

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:02 pm UTC
by drachefly
The Snide Sniper wrote:Would this combining character affect characters other than emoji? I want to see a "vomiting Greek letter P".


Vomiting tab character.

Vomiting carriage return?

Vomiting terminal bell!

Re: 1813: "Vomiting Emoji"

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:08 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Vomiting backspace?