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1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:43 pm UTC
by gmalivuk
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Title text : Luckily for my interpretation, no precincts were won by the Green Party.

The original OP, who didn't follow the rules and thus shall not receive recognition for making this post, wrote:I would say that Team Instinct still has not taken any Pokemon Go gyms.

Re: 1852: Election Map

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:53 pm UTC
by speising

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:08 pm UTC
by karhell
To sum up, in a somewhat less passive-aggressive manner, there are a couple of things to fix : First is the omission of quotation marks around the comic title (should be 1852: "Election Map"). Next, you'd need to post the actual comic, with link, and include the title-text in your post.
That said, having less than 5 posts, cjcampbell physically cannot post the comic or link to it (and so should have refrained from creating the thread, but what's one is done, better to just clean up the mess and move on), so here they are until either cjcampbell posts twice more and edits them into their post, or one of the moderators takes pity does so instead out of exasperation.

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Title text : Luckily for my interpretation, no precincts were won by the Green Party.

Re: 1852: Election Map

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:19 pm UTC
by Wee Red Bird
Wouldn't it be green around the axis of rotation?

Re: 1852: Election Map

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:27 pm UTC
by gmalivuk
I've decided I'm going to fix the original post when it's done incorrectly, and then change it so it looks like I made it in the first place.

If you want the recognition or whatever it is that motivates people to rush to making the first post about a comic, then post correctly.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:57 pm UTC
by orthogon
Ah, now I understand why US election reporting appears to use the colours the other way around to Europe. It's because of Doppler shifts caused by the relative motion.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:58 pm UTC
by Reka
This sounds about like how I'd analyze election results.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:16 pm UTC
by petercooperjr
orthogon wrote:Ah, now I understand why US election reporting appears to use the colours the other way around to Europe.

Does everywhere in Europe use consistent colors? The US didn't have consistency before 2000, when the contentious presidential election caused the coining of the term "red states" and "blue states" based on what the colors happened to be that particular year (and the terms caught on and have been used ever since).

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:43 pm UTC
by rundlesm
I don't recognise then shape of the map.
Where is that map of?

(Not that it makes any difference as, because of the reasons given, its going to spin round its own axis sooner of later anyway. )

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:46 pm UTC
by airdrik
As you can see, there is a warm front moving in from the Northwest. However it is encountering some resistance from the established cold air masses in the South and East, resulting in some stormy weather in this region here.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:10 pm UTC
by orthogon
petercooperjr wrote:
orthogon wrote:Ah, now I understand why US election reporting appears to use the colours the other way around to Europe.

Does everywhere in Europe use consistent colors? The US didn't have consistency before 2000, when the contentious presidential election caused the coining of the term "red states" and "blue states" based on what the colors happened to be that particular year (and the terms caught on and have been used ever since).

I don't know for sure, but red has been the colour of the political left since at least the Russian Revolution. Blue is the obvious primary colour to choose as the opposite, i guess. The convention is reflected in the EU regulation on the position of hot and cold taps: the (red) hot tap is on the left and the (blue) cold is on the right. (It might be coincidence, but it's a good mnemonic all the same).

Maybe the thing is that neither main US party wants to be associated with Socialism or Communism, and assigning red to the Republicans avoids any suggestion that the colours are intended to convey those meanings.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:25 pm UTC
by Reka
rundlesm wrote:I don't recognise then shape of the map.
Where is that map of?

explainxkcd says Georgia's 6th congressional district.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:25 pm UTC
by qvxb
The cause of the rotation may be a woman, as proposed by physicist and musician Thomas Roe in 1969.

Dizzy
I'm so dizzy my head is spinning
Like a whirlpool, it never ends
And it's you, girl, making it spin
You're making me dizzy

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:34 pm UTC
by JohnTheWysard
I just sometimes wish that some of the red districts WOULD leave, at a redshift of about 0.3 or better.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:58 pm UTC
by da Doctah
orthogon wrote:red has been the colour of the political left since at least the Russian Revolution. Blue is the obvious primary colour to choose as the opposite, i guess. The convention is reflected in the EU regulation on the position of hot and cold taps: the (red) hot tap is on the left and the (blue) cold is on the right. (It might be coincidence, but it's a good mnemonic all the same).


And port wine is red. As is the light on the port, that is to say left, side of a ship.

It's all beginning to make sense!

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:20 pm UTC
by madaco
What if,

we took some political observer, with some set of positions, and checked how the average positions of each district compared to those of that observer, at 2 (or more) different times, and used that to determine some notion of "relative velocity", and then chose levels of red or blue shifts based on those to color the districts with?

We could also look at whether the districts got closer or further from each other, and use that to draw mountains or other sorts of fault lines, like in the comic when the white beret guy is moving towards his roommate

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:49 pm UTC
by cellocgw
In related news,

SCOTUS has agreed to hear a gerrymandering case. Will wonders never cease.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:19 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
orthogon wrote:
petercooperjr wrote:
orthogon wrote:Ah, now I understand why US election reporting appears to use the colours the other way around to Europe.

Does everywhere in Europe use consistent colors? The US didn't have consistency before 2000, when the contentious presidential election caused the coining of the term "red states" and "blue states" based on what the colors happened to be that particular year (and the terms caught on and have been used ever since).

I don't know for sure, but red has been the colour of the political left since at least the Russian Revolution. Blue is the obvious primary colour to choose as the opposite, i guess. The convention is reflected in the EU regulation on the position of hot and cold taps: the (red) hot tap is on the left and the (blue) cold is on the right. (It might be coincidence, but it's a good mnemonic all the same).

Maybe the thing is that neither main US party wants to be associated with Socialism or Communism, and assigning red to the Republicans avoids any suggestion that the colours are intended to convey those meanings.

Blue is also historically the signature color of liberalism. Originally in the "classical liberal" sense that among US political parties more closely matches the Libertarians than the Democrats. But the Democrats are still called "liberals" in a now-different sense, so blue being their color makes some sense. As does blue being the color of the right wing in Europe, where "liberal" still means something more like what the US calls "libertarian", and "liberalism" in that sense is nominally a major plank of right-wing parties.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:49 pm UTC
by superpatty
rundlesm wrote:I don't recognise then shape of the map.
Where is that map of?

(Not that it makes any difference as, because of the reasons given, its going to spin round its own axis sooner of later anyway. )


This is a map of the 6th House district in Georgia where Karen Handel and John Ossoff are running to fill the seat vacated by Tom Price when he was appointed HHS secretary

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:08 am UTC
by jgh
orthogon wrote:
petercooperjr wrote:
orthogon wrote:Ah, now I understand why US election reporting appears to use the colours the other way around to Europe.
Does everywhere in Europe use consistent colors? (...)
I don't know for sure, but red has been the colour of the political left since at least the Russian Revolution. Blue is the obvious primary colour to choose as the opposite, i guess. (...)

Blue has been the colour of the political right since about the mid-19th century, adding The People's Deepest Red from the late 19th/early 20th gives more than 100 years of consistant colouration.

Pfhorrest wrote:Blue is also historically the signature color of liberalism. ...
No, yellow is the traditional colour of liberalism, from at least the mid-19th century. I've got some political art from around about then calling for people to choose between "the blues (Conservatives) and the yellows (Liberals)". Appropriately, the colours are complementary as well.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:42 am UTC
by Pfhorrest
jgh wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:Blue is also historically the signature color of liberalism. ...
No, yellow is the traditional colour of liberalism, from at least the mid-19th century. I've got some political art from around about then calling for people to choose between "the blues (Conservatives) and the yellows (Liberals)". Appropriately, the colours are complementary as well.

Wouldn't that get a little mixed up today in Commonwealth countries (at least the UK and Australia) where "liberal" parties are generally conservative? If you're (classically) liberal and anti-socialist and therefore conservative by today's standards, are you a blue or a yellow? For that matter, in the mid-19th century you speak of (in what country?), were the "conservatives" like theocrats and monarchists and the "liberals" actually (classically) liberal, or were the "conservatives" classical liberals and the "liberals" actually socialists?

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:24 am UTC
by ObsessoMom
My husband's uncles in Taiwan sent out Christmas cards several years ago with themselves wearing the colors of the political party they supported in the then-current elections. Various parties would start out with one color and would then divide in two, with the resulting two new parties taking new colors. It was all very confusing. Dark blue and light blue and I don't know what all.

I just Googled "Taiwan party colors" and retrieved the most horrific unintended Google search results ever. (For me--I'm sure everyone here has their own traumatic search results.)

Wow. I had not heard about the Formosa Fun Coast explosion before. That could easily happen elsewhere. And on that cheery note, I'm going to bed.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:20 am UTC
by da Doctah
jgh wrote:yellow is the traditional colour of liberalism, from at least the mid-19th century. I've got some political art from around about then calling for people to choose between "the blues (Conservatives) and the yellows (Liberals)". Appropriately, the colours are complementary as well.


So the "Yellow Rose" of Texas is called that for political reasons and not because she's mixed-race?

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:17 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
Pfhorrest wrote:
jgh wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:Blue is also historically the signature color of liberalism. ...
No, yellow is the traditional colour of liberalism, from at least the mid-19th century. I've got some political art from around about then calling for people to choose between "the blues (Conservatives) and the yellows (Liberals)". Appropriately, the colours are complementary as well.

Wouldn't that get a little mixed up today in Commonwealth countries (at least the UK and Australia) where "liberal" parties are generally conservative? If you're (classically) liberal and anti-socialist and therefore conservative by today's standards, are you a blue or a yellow? For that matter, in the mid-19th century you speak of (in what country?), were the "conservatives" like theocrats and monarchists and the "liberals" actually (classically) liberal, or were the "conservatives" classical liberals and the "liberals" actually socialists?


Here in the UK, the "Liberal Democrats" - the moderate/center party, insofar as the left-right continuum makes sense - are yellow/orange (the SNP - Scottish National Party - are also yellow, and a brighter yellow, so Lib Dems get a more orange yellow).

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:42 pm UTC
by Himself
The interpretation depends on the position of the observation point. There may very well be some sort of convergence or divergence occurring along a SW-NE axis.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:45 am UTC
by ManaUser
Incidentally, for those outside the US who may not know, it's only been since disputed election of 2000 that the colors really got standardized. Since election coverage went on talking about "red states" and "blue states" for weeks, the terms really sunk in at that point. But even so, the colors aren't strongly associated with the parties for any purpose besides election maps. Red, white and blue (our flag colors of course) are associated with elections in general, so alot of election materials will use all three in various quantities, regardless of which party it's supporting. Don't know if that's any different from Europe etc.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:14 am UTC
by Soupspoon
UK material tends to follow the very definite sanctioned-party-colours scheme. Mind you, even if there's a (nominal) cap on funding well below the millions that SuperPACs throw at single rallies, there seems to be enough in the coffers to no longer have any (major, or even half-way respectable minor) party candidate for even a no-hope-in-hell council seat have to sell themselves with photocopied monochromatic leaflets, any more.

I suspect Party HQs put them in touch with a printshop who do a good bulk discount on the best quality glossy flyers you can get. Maybe even they help with the formattin band wording, with standard templates, but not sure about checking the final text.

But here's a nice mix of the "three major party colours" for effect... Even if it's the old cliche of "vote A, get B, you'd be better off voting C..."


As for flashing the Union Flag and the Ted White And Blue, that's just not (ironically) very British. Or too much, harkening back to the British National Party. Also confusing when not being representative of Labour-plus-Conservative 'conversation' as part of the argument being printed. Maybe there'd be something flag-like as minor decoration or unobtrusive photographic background item, mostly. But the connotations tend to be strong, even if pride in the Olympics have made the flag nice again in non-political situations.

Even UKIP tend to place prominence on their purple-and-yellow theme, on proper handouts. (Not sure how this crept through, or when. Surely can't be recently...)

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:32 pm UTC
by Keyman
superpatty wrote:
rundlesm wrote:I don't recognise then shape of the map.
Where is that map of?

(Not that it makes any difference as, because of the reasons given, its going to spin round its own axis sooner of later anyway. )


This is a map of the 6th House district in Georgia where Karen Handel and John Ossoff are running to fill the seat vacated by Tom Price when he was appointed HHS secretary

And, if he's still "With Her"...he's once again disappointed.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:32 pm UTC
by Steve the Pocket
ManaUser wrote:Incidentally, for those outside the US who may not know, it's only been since disputed election of 2000 that the colors really got standardized. Since election coverage went on talking about "red states" and "blue states" for weeks, the terms really sunk in at that point. But even so, the colors aren't strongly associated with the parties for any purpose besides election maps. Red, white and blue (our flag colors of course) are associated with elections in general, so alot of election materials will use all three in various quantities, regardless of which party it's supporting. Don't know if that's any different from Europe etc.

It's hard to imagine that this was the case for so long, having to check a key to figure out which color represented which candidate on this particular network this particular year. Was it just a lucky break that every network happened to use the same colors that year for a change? I'd love to see screencaps of official election maps from previous years, if that weren't fundamentally impossible to Google.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm UTC
by timrem
Steve the Pocket wrote:I'd love to see screencaps of official election maps from previous years, if that weren't fundamentally impossible to Google.


From a quick search, I found a few pictures over at http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/w ... 104176297/ with red for Democrats and blue for Republicans.

Re: 1852: "Election Map"

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:27 am UTC
by jgh
rmsgrey wrote:
jgh wrote:yellow is the traditional colour of liberalism...

Here in the UK, the "Liberal Democrats" - the moderate/center party, insofar as the left-right continuum makes sense - are yellow/orange ...

Insofar as the LibDems are a single party they are actually a merger of yellow liberals on the left wing and Orange Bookers on the right wing. You can sometimes tell an individual party member's positioning, and which part of the party is in the ascendant, by exactly what shade on the gold/yellow/orange spectrum they print their literature in.