1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

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1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:39 pm UTC

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Flumble » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:21 pm UTC

I always wondered where the solar plexus was. Didn't sound like a body part at all.

Are the distances and sizes to scale on this diagram?

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Keyman » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:27 pm UTC

Shouldn't those 'dimples' be on that little golfball thingie?
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:49 pm UTC

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby rbgos » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:53 pm UTC

Correction from a Brit - Solstice is NOT the same as Equinox, quite the opposite. The Solstice is the longest and shortest days (21 June and 21 December), the Equinox is when the night and day are equal, in March and September.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby hamjudo » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:09 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:Are the distances and sizes to scale on this diagram?


Not even close to scale. In the real world, the sun and moon are the same size. I know, I've been outside and seen them.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:14 pm UTC

rbgos wrote:Correction from a Brit - Solstice is NOT the same as Equinox, quite the opposite. The Solstice is the longest and shortest days (21 June and 21 December), the Equinox is when the night and day are equal, in March and September.
Yes, like almost every other word in the comic, this one was intentionally wrong.
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Heimhenge » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:19 pm UTC

I was curious about those 3 small symbols on the right edge. The outside 2 are being pointed at by lines/vectors and the inner one appears to label an angle. Checked the astrology/astronomy symbols first. The one on the bottom kinda looks like the symbol for Mercury but it's got an extra set of horns. Then I checked the Greek alphabet. No matches there either. Didn't think the joke would extend to making up symbols, but that appears to be the case.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Jorpho » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:54 pm UTC

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Heimhenge wrote:I was curious about those 3 small symbols on the right edge. The outside 2 are being pointed at by lines/vectors and the inner one appears to label an angle. Checked the astrology/astronomy symbols first. The one on the bottom kinda looks like the symbol for Mercury but it's got an extra set of horns. Then I checked the Greek alphabet. No matches there either. Didn't think the joke would extend to making up symbols, but that appears to be the case.
It's kind of close to ¤, which would be fitting, since the symbol above it resembles ₡ .

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Weeks » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:56 pm UTC

Can we please just do the astral plane, thx.
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Flumble » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:07 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:I can't wait for the uninitiated to complain about the mistakes in nomenclature

...and you didn't have to. :mrgreen:


Heimhenge wrote:I was curious about those 3 small symbols on the right edge. The outside 2 are being pointed at by lines/vectors and the inner one appears to label an angle. Checked the astrology/astronomy symbols first. The one on the bottom kinda looks like the symbol for Mercury but it's got an extra set of horns. Then I checked the Greek alphabet. No matches there either. Didn't think the joke would extend to making up symbols, but that appears to be the case.

I swear I've seen the arc-circle-arc before –possibly even as phase of the Moon– but I can't find anything similar. :?

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:17 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:I can't wait for the uninitiated to complain about the mistakes in nomenclature

Indeed the "nomenclature" is clearly the bit that holds the sticky-out bit of a sundial in place.

rbgos wrote:Correction from a Brit - Solstice is NOT the same as Equinox, quite the opposite.
Well, technically the opposite of Solstice is Solstice, and the opposite of Equinox is…



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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby pkcommando » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:39 pm UTC

Title Text: You shouldn't look directly at a partial eclipse because of the damage that can be caused by improperly aligning the solar-lunar orbital plane with the orbital bones around the eye.

But if I view it with a ghost between me and the eclipse, or in a puddle on the floor, I'll be fine, right?
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:42 pm UTC

Heimhenge wrote:...the inner one appears to label an angle.
The middle one appears to be a phi with an extra line (phii?). The lower-case Phi (in spherical coordinates) applies to the actual a sort of north-south ness (of the sun in this case).

I checked the character map and none of the three appear, so I expect Randal is subtly trolling us.

The doubleyuu thing might be an allusion to lower case omega, which represents angular velocity.
Soupspoon wrote:Well, technically the opposite of Solstice is Solstice, and the opposite of Equinox is…
The perpendicular of Solstice then.
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:43 pm UTC

rbgos wrote:Correction from a Brit - Solstice is NOT the same as Equinox, quite the opposite. The Solstice is the longest and shortest days (21 June and 21 December), the Equinox is when the night and day are equal, in March and September.


I refer you to my post one above yours.
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby fibonacci » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:49 pm UTC

And the countdown until there is adult fan-fiction of this starts. Incidentally, do not do an image search for several of the terms in the diagram.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Codesmith » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:15 pm UTC

Well, the top symbol looks like a v with an 'o' ordinal, and I can't seem to find anything quite like it.

The second looks a lot like an duplex outlet on a housing blueprint https://www.archtoolbox.com/representation/graphic-symbols/electsymbols.html

and the bottom symbol appears to be alchemical symbol for ammoniam salt (sal ammoniacus) http://www.symbols.com/symbol/ammonium-salt-%28alternate-%232%29.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby da Doctah » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:46 pm UTC

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby morriswalters » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:10 pm UTC

Angles and dangles. Here's how he trolled you. Eclipses are interrupted sight lines. The Equinox or Solstice are the same thing in different places. The angles are all the different axis. He puts the axis in the sun and develops everything from that.

He telling you familiar things in unfamiliar ways. The planes and the lines tell the story. For example what the equinox tells you is where you are in the orbit, there are two places on the ground where the meanings are different. If it is the equinox here, what is it in Australia?

I think the hypothecate is a sight line that defines the angle where the moon starts to eclipse the sun. And so on. The other one is an axis through the center of the sun to the center of the earth, the hypothecate is half the apparent size of the moon when it starts to eclipse. When the two lines cover each other the eclipse is total. Have fun. I'm probably having the wrong conversation.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:18 pm UTC

morriswalters wrote:The Equinox or Solstice are the same thing in different places.
Umm, no?

Or maybe I just got whooshed, before I even got round to being critical of the rest.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:21 pm UTC

morriswalters wrote:If it is the equinox here, what is it in Australia?
Also the equinox, though if you call it the spring or fall equinox in the US, it will be the fall or spring equinox, respectively, in Australia.
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby StClair » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:24 pm UTC

Kerbin, of course, does have an eclipse every munth.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby morriswalters » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:38 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:
morriswalters wrote:The Equinox or Solstice are the same thing in different places.
Umm, no?

Or maybe I just got whooshed, before I even got round to being critical of the rest.
The equinox is a place in an orbit. He didn't didn't mention the season. You could have inferred that because it means two different things, at the same time. Ride that point, like, well, you do. Tomorrow it will be a different point, however the equinox will be there waiting until you get there.. Randall's Rule, what you see, isn't what is there. Axial tilt causes the equinox. I see everything he is saying, I just don't have referents, without diving deeper than it merits.

And it could be something else
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:07 pm UTC

(That sounds like we're heading into Time Cube territory... I don't understand everything Otis Ray said, but it looked like he was talking about some internal understanding.)

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby orthogon » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:17 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
morriswalters wrote:If it is the equinox here, what is it in Australia?
Also the equinox, though if you call it the spring or fall equinox in the US, it will be the fall or spring equinox, respectively, in Australia.

And when it's the fall equinox in the US, it's the autumnal equinox in the UK.
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby GlassHouses » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:19 pm UTC

morriswalters wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:
morriswalters wrote:The Equinox or Solstice are the same thing in different places.
Umm, no?

Or maybe I just got whooshed, before I even got round to being critical of the rest.
The equinox is a place in an orbit. He didn't didn't mention the season. You could have inferred that because it means two different things, at the same time. Ride that point, like, well, you do. Tomorrow it will be a different point, however the equinox will be there waiting until you get there.. Randall's Rule, what you see, isn't what is there. Axial tilt causes the equinox. I see everything he is saying, I just don't have referents, without diving deeper than it merits.

And it could be something else

No, axial tilt prevents the equinox, except for two occasions in the year.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby morriswalters » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:36 am UTC

GlassHouses wrote:No, axial tilt prevents the equinox, except for two occasions in the year.
Complements rule. Your prevent is my causes.
Soupspoon wrote:(That sounds like we're heading into Time Cube territory... I don't understand everything Otis Ray said, but it looked like he was talking about some internal understanding.)
I thought it was a clock. When that little plane touches the big plane it tolls a bell. Goes off automatically every 2 months. Did Otis Ray say something?

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Here's another interpretation, he showed you the path the eclipse will follow. He showed you the first place that will see it start. He told you what you will see depending on where you're looking from. And the place where it will end. As a bonus he showed you every place that can see an eclipse, period. And what they can see. And he told you why they happen. It doesn't need to be in scale, you just need to identify the angles and dangles. I love Randall. :wink:
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Sableagle » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:15 am UTC

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Flumble wrote:Are the distances and sizes to scale on this diagram?


Not even close to scale. In the real world, the sun and moon are the same size. I know, I've been outside and seen them.


No, they're not. The Moon's the same size as a pea a mile away and the Sun's the size of a hamster ball for children on the other side of the room. They just look the same size because there's a lot of lens flare and the Moon's brighter.
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Draconaes » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:07 pm UTC

This thread seems to be heading toward critical sarcasm detection failure territory.

TIL what dimples of Venus are.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby morriswalters » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:52 pm UTC

Put a moon in that point at that time and you get a total eclipse of the sun on the moon by the earth. The dimples are where the rays from what he calls the hypothecate come out on the surface. The dotted line connected by arctangent to equinox is the point on the orbit where the eclipse will occur relative to the equinox. It's a clock. Then again, maybe not.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby svenman » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:49 pm UTC

morriswalters wrote:a total eclipse of the sun on the moon by the earth

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that just a more complicated description of a lunar eclipse? Just with a different standpoint in mind.
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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Soupspoon » Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:18 pm UTC

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby morriswalters » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:13 pm UTC

svenman wrote:
morriswalters wrote:a total eclipse of the sun on the moon by the earth

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that just a more complicated description of a lunar eclipse? Just with a different standpoint in mind.
I have no idea. The dimples probably serve some purpose only an astronomer would care about. I could care less. Neither do I need the labels.

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Turns out I care a little. The clock in the picture may read 6/21/2017.

Or maybe 6/1917 at high noon in in the Pacific?:? Eff the IDL.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby qvxb » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:19 am UTC

Be safe while observing. Fourteen years ago a boy merely imagined seeing the dimples of Venus on Stacy's mom. He still has to wear a wrist brace today.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby colonel_hack » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:51 am UTC

rbgos wrote:The Solstice is the longest and shortest days (21 June and 21 December), the Equinox is when the night and day are equal, in March and September.

The exact day of the month can vary. For example, in 1944 June 6th was the longest day.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby Soupspoon » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:42 am UTC

colonel_hack wrote:
rbgos wrote:The Solstice is the longest and shortest days (21 June and 21 December), the Equinox is when the night and day are equal, in March and September.

The exact day of the month can vary.
Correct...
For example, in 1944 June 6th was the longest day.

*pained groan - then slow hand-clap*

(Then a reminder that every day is 86400 seconds long, except for some June 30ths and December 31sts, which are 86401 seconds, and the longest days for a while, yet.)

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby morriswalters » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:44 am UTC

Ain't precession a bitch.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby SuicideJunkie » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:56 pm UTC

Precession is actually a wibbly-wobbly effect of magnetized spheroids. No relation to taxonomy at all, surprisingly.

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Re: 1878: "Earth Orbital Diagram"

Postby da Doctah » Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:18 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:(Then a reminder that every day is 86400 seconds long, except for some June 30ths and December 31sts, which are 86401 seconds, and the longest days for a while, yet.)


And then there are the Sundays each autumn that are 90000 seconds long.

Not where I live, though.


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