2002: "LeBron James and Stephen Curry"

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Re: 2002: "LeBron James and Stephen Curry"

Postby Euphonium » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:48 pm UTC

JPatten wrote:The reason there is no "National ID" as such is that the United States are, in fact, United States. As in 50 independent and Somewhat Sovereign states that are united for a common purpose of trade, currency, and defense. Thus, aside from the passport, which deals with the US interaction with other countries, one of the defined purposes of the Federal Government, an internal national ID is outside the scope of powers allocated to the Federal government. States themselves are responsible for Identifying their citizens.

In practice, of course, it is more complicated than that, and the Federal Government has been given or taken on to itself, more power than originally designed, but that is the basic reasoning.

And rightly so, because a lot of that original design was incredibly fucked up and made in order to protect slave owners at the cost of a functioning, free society.

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Re: 2002: "LeBron James and Stephen Curry"

Postby JPatten » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:16 pm UTC

Euphonium wrote:And rightly so, because a lot of that original design was incredibly fucked up and made in order to protect slave owners at the cost of a functioning, free society.


Wait... Wait..
Are you arguing that the idea of a limited Federal Government is solely the result of caving to southern slave owners and that Real freedom can only be found in a Strong Central Government that can assume any power it deems necessary?

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Re: 2002: "LeBron James and Stephen Curry"

Postby GlassHouses » Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:00 am UTC

JPatten wrote:[Are you arguing that] the idea of a limited Federal Government is solely the result of caving to southern slave owners

Well, duh.
JPatten wrote:and that Real freedom can only be found in a Strong Central Government that can assume any power it deems necessary?

False dichotomy alert!

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Re: 2002: "LeBron James and Stephen Curry"

Postby elasto » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:28 pm UTC

JPatten wrote:Are you arguing that the idea of a limited Federal Government is solely the result of caving to southern slave owners and that Real freedom can only be found in a Strong Central Government that can assume any power it deems necessary?

Real freedom can only exist when a strong government defends individual liberties. Said strong government doesn't have to be central, it can be state or even local, but if noone lower down the chain will stand against internal oppression then central government has a moral imperative to step up and do so, and thank goodness they have done so.

Pure democracy can be very weak on the defence of individual liberties - hence the old saw of 'democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner'. You need strength to enforce freedom, just as a police officer needs a weapon even if he never ends up using it.


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