2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

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2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:34 pm UTC

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Title text: The <x> that is held by <y> is also a <y><x>, so if you go to a food truck, the stuff you buy is truck food. A phone that's in your car is a carphone, and a car equipped with a phone is a phonecar. When you play a mobile racing game, you're in your phonecar using your carphone to drive a different phonecar. I'm still not sure about bananaphones.

Bananaphones aren't like the other "phone"s where an implicit "tele-" is dropped, they are the sounds bananas make.
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:01 pm UTC

Is an amphibious carrier holding a residential barge a houseboathouseboat? And what is its home dock if rooved? Then I get a custom piece of tableware for the gravy I enjoy eating in said accommodation… And then…


(Secondary thought, albeit one that's been in my mind for far longer: The point at which sea-planes become flying-boats, or the other way.)

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby bobdc » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:11 pm UTC

A related question, asked by comedians for decades: why is it that we park on a driveway but drive on a parkway?

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby J%r » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:17 pm UTC

What about roadhouses?

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Unclevertitle » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:22 pm UTC

Quizatzhaderac wrote:Bananaphones aren't like the other "phone"s where an implicit "tele-" is dropped, they are the sounds bananas make.


Bananaphonics, music enriched with potassium. And radiation.

Soupspoon wrote:Is an amphibious carrier holding a residential barge a houseboathouseboat?


Wait hold on is the carrier amphibious (housecar/boathouseboat)? Or does the carrier carry amphibious vehicles bearing residences? (houseboathousecar/boat)? Or both (housecar/boathousecar/boat)?

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby cellocgw » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:56 pm UTC

bobdc wrote:A related question, asked by comedians for decades: why is it that we park on a driveway but drive on a parkway?


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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby da Doctah » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:57 pm UTC

I have a cable modem. The box it came in says CABLE MODEM in big letters on the front, and MODEM CABLE on the back. It's connected with a modem cable, which came in a package that said MODEM CABLE on the front and CABLE MODEM on the back.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby keldor » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:11 pm UTC

XKCD, muddying the English language since circa 2005.

Calling a lifeboat a boatboat is incorrect, though. What we really want is the big boat that is carrying the life boat, but I don't think there's a proper term for this.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:22 pm UTC

Related question: what separates a <T>-house from a mere <T>-container? My first answer would be that the house needs to be able to serve as store and some kind of maintenance function on the <T>.

So if an object only stores a thing it is a mere container. If it stores and maintains them it is a house and not a mere container; unless the things contained are meerkats, in which case it is both a meer-container and a kat-house.
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A plane has to have planar (fixed, flat-ish) wings (as opposed to birds, which have flap-ish wings). For example a hovercraft is airborne but not a plane, because it has no wings. I can't answer about when something is a flying boat, because I can't actually define when something is a boat (versus a ship or yacht or some other kind of watercraft). I would say that all sea-planes are flying watercraft (unless you remove the engine but keep the wings, in which case they are non-flying, watercraft, planes).
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Sableagle » Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:41 pm UTC

You're doing nothing to make sense of "spaghetti squash," "dog roses," "skyscraper lilies," "plum tomatoes," "mint car" or the "Mexican orange blossom plant."

Then again, Mint Car is the name of a song by The Cure, and those very seldom make sense.
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Archgeek » Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:44 pm UTC

As deeply amusing as is "boatboat", and as much as I support all future use of "carboat" and "carhouse" (just shy of a Szyslak, that), I must contend that "housecar" is giving mobile homes too much credit. Maybe an RV instead? Likewise "househouse" extends too much credit to apartments. They're more like long-term hotel suites with mostly working kitchens.

keldor wrote:XKCD, muddying the English language since circa 2005.

Calling a lifeboat a boatboat is incorrect, though. What we really want is the big boat that is carrying the life boat, but I don't think there's a proper term for this.

I'm thinking "life boat boat". Or colloquially, "boat".
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Mjb » Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:52 pm UTC

Now that's begging the question. Germanic noun-as-adjective is a major contributor to the relative flexibility and brevity of English. <x><x> works for inherently relational <x> - the closest that comes to mind is Scandinavian farfar/mormor - paternal grandfather / maternal grandmother. Otherwise, "househouse" just sounds like "papa" and other (multilingual) instances of "repeat to make it familiar".

"House" only makes sense for detached and vaguely house-like structures, which tends to mean older ones (hard to call a garage a house if it is effectively a room). Before the "car house" was the carriage house, but it was a bit long to combine. A "house carriage" would presumably belong to some wealthy household.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby RogueCynic » Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:56 pm UTC

bobdc wrote:A related question, asked by comedians for decades: why is it that we park on a driveway but drive on a parkway?


On topic: Why is something sent by a land vehicle called shipment, but when sent by a sea vehicle called cargo?
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Flumble » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:36 pm UTC

keldor wrote:Calling a lifeboat a boatboat is incorrect, though. What we really want is the big boat that is carrying the life boat, but I don't think there's a proper term for this.

That really bothered me, likewise with apartment.
A househouse would better be named a "highrise" or "apartment complex" and for boatboat I was thinking of a heavy-lift ship:
boatboat-mv-blue-marlin.jpg

...unfortunately, I couldn't find any ship-shipping ship ships. Nor porn of it. Shame.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Heimhenge » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:04 pm UTC

keldor wrote:XKCD, muddying the English language since circa 2005.

Calling a lifeboat a boatboat is incorrect, though. What we really want is the big boat that is carrying the life boat, but I don't think there's a proper term for this.


A distinction is made between "ship" and "boat" (at least in US Navy & Merchant Marine). A "ship" is the big one that can carry little ones called "boats".

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Rombobjörn » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:03 pm UTC

When you play a mobile racing game, you're in your phonecar using your carphone to drive a different phonecar.

Then the phone is a carphone because it's inside a car, and is also a carphone because it contains a car.

That also means that the house on a houseboat is a boathouse, and a boat in a boathouse is a houseboat.

Heimhenge wrote:A distinction is made between "ship" and "boat" (at least in US Navy & Merchant Marine). A "ship" is the big one that can carry little ones called "boats".

And the word for a boat that is carried by a ship is, in Swedish, the compound word "skeppsbåt". The most literal translation to English would be "shipboat". I see the actual English term is "ship's boat", which makes it look like two words, but I'm pretty sure it functions as a compound in English too.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:38 pm UTC

Quizatzhaderac wrote:I would say that all sea-planes are flying watercraft (unless you remove the engine but keep the wings, in which case they are non-flying, watercraft, planes).
Or remove most of the wings, to make them a sea monster?


To answer my own question: I'd hazard a guess that a plane whose landing gear is converted/augmented to stand upon, run across and alight upon water as a matter of course is a sea-plane; meanwhile a vessel whose hull is designed to serve those purposes (with or without outrigger floats for operational stability) as well as take to the air as a winged aircraft is a flying-boat. Note that flying boats and float-equipped planes alike may have fixed or (usually) retracting wheels for at least rolling up and down shorelines/beaches/slipways, but it's the designed belly-above or belly-in status in water that maybe differentiates the two.

And by amphibious carrier, I was thinking of something with a floodable well dock

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby TV4Fun » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:59 pm UTC

The notation proposed by the title text seems to introduce some ambiguity. Is a bananaphone a phone that holds bananas or is it a phone held by a banana?
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby TV4Fun » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:01 am UTC

There also is a bit of a recursion problem here. If a food truck dispenses truck food, then isn't really a truck food truck? And then the food you get from it should more properly be called truck food truck food, so really the truck should've been called a truck food truck food truck.
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby sotanaht » Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:05 am UTC

I'd like to suggest that Banana phones are in a different system of "X of Y" altogether. This is "X that holds Y". Banana phones belong to the "X that looks like Y" group instead. Now, whether we are talking about a phone that looks like a banana or a banana that looks like a phone is somewhat ambiguous, I think we should work on defining that matrix.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby GlassHouses » Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:10 am UTC

This nomenclature should be extended even further.

Planeplane:

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Crissa » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:28 am UTC

The original word for 'car' is carriage' so if you replace 'car' on this chart with 'carriage' you get some of the original words. A garage was a 'carriage house'. A ferry was a also a 'carriage boat'.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Pfhorrest » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:42 am UTC

Is or was there an accent that pronounced “car” as “care” or “carriage” as “car-edge”?
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Kailen » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:04 am UTC

keldor wrote:XKCD, muddying the English language since circa 2005.

Calling a lifeboat a boatboat is incorrect, though. What we really want is the big boat that is carrying the life boat, but I don't think there's a proper term for this.

Tugboat

Though there's other boats that carry boats. Any number of large ships have lifeboats, as pointed out. There's also admirals' barges, captain's yachts, or longboats for heading to shore. Lots of ship boats, which makes ships, well, boat ships.
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby da Doctah » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:39 am UTC

sotanaht wrote:I'd like to suggest that Banana phones are in a different system of "X of Y" altogether. This is "X that holds Y". Banana phones belong to the "X that looks like Y" group instead. Now, whether we are talking about a phone that looks like a banana or a banana that looks like a phone is somewhat ambiguous, I think we should work on defining that matrix.


I get into trouble with this sort of thing when I start thinking about whether "bowling alley", "bowling ball" and "bowling shirt" are using the common word in the same way or not.

Or when I try to explain the difference between a gerund and a present participle with the pair of sentences:

  • Baking casseroles is a hobby of mine. (As in cooking the food.)
  • Baking casseroles are a hobby of mine. (As in collecting the utensils.)

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby RossM » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:46 am UTC

This adds a whole new shade of meaning to Woody Guthries song "Riding in my car".

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby KarenRei » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:24 am UTC

J%r wrote:What about roadhouses?

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Heimhenge » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:00 pm UTC

GlassHouses wrote:This nomenclature should be extended even further.

Planeplane:

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Yeah, I tried to add a fourth row and column to the matrix using "plane". Had some good entries in the fourth column: car plane = flatbed, house plane = hangar, boat plane = carrier ... and that's where I got stuck. All I could come up with for the fourth row was "plane so frikkin huge that it can carry all this other shit" and I didn't think there was a categorical name for these aircraft. Can't use Beluga or AirBus.

Wiki lists: cargo aircraft, freight aircraft, freighter, airlifter or cargo jet

Whichever you chose it makes for a pretty boring fourth row.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Cougar Allen » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:51 pm UTC

I know about banana phone but can you phone a banana?

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Mabuse7 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:21 am UTC

Heimhenge wrote:A distinction is made between "ship" and "boat" (at least in US Navy & Merchant Marine). A "ship" is the big one that can carry little ones called "boats".


This is why all submarines are referred to as "boats" regardless of their size, since they do not carry boats of their own.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Quercus » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:50 am UTC

GlassHouses wrote:This nomenclature should be extended even further.

Planeplane:

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It appears to be transporting nose sections, so that makes it a plane-nose-plane de-planing plane-noses through its plain plane nose.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby richP » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:18 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:
keldor wrote:Calling a lifeboat a boatboat is incorrect, though. What we really want is the big boat that is carrying the life boat, but I don't think there's a proper term for this.

That really bothered me, likewise with apartment.
A househouse would better be named a "highrise" or "apartment complex" and for boatboat I was thinking of a heavy-lift ship:
boatboat-mv-blue-marlin.jpg
...unfortunately, I couldn't find any ship-shipping ship ships. Nor porn of it. Shame.


if the vessel on the heavy-lift ship in your picture has a lifeboat on board, that would mean you have a boatboatboat, right?
As far as looking for porn on ship-shipping ship ships, if someone makes a fanfic porn story about ship-shipping ship ships, would that make you a ship-shipping ship ships shipper?

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:14 pm UTC

Only it it's commercially successful, which is to say if the ship-shipping ship ships shipper-y ships.
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby ijuin » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:23 pm UTC

Mabuse7 wrote:
Heimhenge wrote:A distinction is made between "ship" and "boat" (at least in US Navy & Merchant Marine). A "ship" is the big one that can carry little ones called "boats".


This is why all submarines are referred to as "boats" regardless of their size, since they do not carry boats of their own.


Which interestingly leads to “boats” massing about ten thousand tonnes, i.e. more than any pre-19th century ships.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Mikeski » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:17 am UTC

Mabuse7 wrote:
Heimhenge wrote:A distinction is made between "ship" and "boat" (at least in US Navy & Merchant Marine). A "ship" is the big one that can carry little ones called "boats".

This is why all submarines are referred to as "boats" regardless of their size, since they do not carry boats of their own.

Does this mean your "starship" is a "starboat" if it doesn't have an escape pod or suchlike?

ijuin wrote:Which interestingly leads to “boats” massing about ten thousand tonnes, i.e. more than any pre-19th century ships.

Which is not compensating for anything!!! Submarines are that shape because of physics!

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby The Moomin » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:15 am UTC

First thought:

*musical note emoji*
I took my boat for a car
I took that car for a ride
I was trying to get somewhere
But now I'm following the traces of your fingernails
That run along the windshield on the boat of car
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Seagoon: The ship was disguised as a train, to make the train sea-worthy it was done up to look like a boat and painted to appear like a tram.
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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby jgh » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:25 pm UTC

Argh! I'm now stuck worrying about cat food and baby food!

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Mikeski » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:03 am UTC

jgh wrote:Argh! I'm now stuck worrying about cat food and baby food!

Just feed the baby food to the cat and the cat food to the baby, to avoid any potential cannibalism.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Old Bruce » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:09 am UTC

Mikeski wrote:
jgh wrote:Argh! I'm now stuck worrying about cat food and baby food!

Just feed the baby food to the cat and the cat food to the baby, to avoid any potential cannibalism.

Okay but I still worry about the bird seed.

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Re: 2043: Boathouses and Houseboats

Postby Sableagle » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:23 am UTC

Old Bruce wrote:
Mikeski wrote:
jgh wrote:Argh! I'm now stuck worrying about cat food and baby food!

Just feed the baby food to the cat and the cat food to the baby, to avoid any potential cannibalism.

Okay but I still worry about the bird seed.

Scatter a handful daily and see whether you can grow a crop of birds.

I tried and mostly got cats.
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