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2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:36 pm UTC
by Hiferator
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Title text: We were going to do a falling-apart Rubik's cube that was just 27 independent blocks stuck together with magnets, but then we realized it was actually really cool and even kind of worked, so we cut that one.

Now I want one of those magnet Rubik's cubes. Thus their non-existence makes them fall in line with the others.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:41 pm UTC
by moody7277
I hear the rigid slap bracelets are very popular in Catholic schools.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:29 pm UTC
by Weeks
Insert dildo joke here.

*raucous laughter* *applause*

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:39 pm UTC
by Flumble
Weeks wrote:Insert dildo joke here.

*raucous laughter* *applause*

Those are very filling though.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:40 pm UTC
by linux2647
No-strings-attached Yo-Yos actually exist and are kind of cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0InwW0V9k

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:45 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
Flumble wrote:
Weeks wrote:Insert dildo joke here.

*raucous laughter* *applause*

Those are very filling though.

The disappointing unfulfilling ones aren't. (That's the joke).

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:55 pm UTC
by keldor
We had some pump-only supersoakers as kids. The pump didn't actually pressurize anything, but worked like a bicycle pump and directly squirted the water.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:07 pm UTC
by Archgeek
Flumble wrote:
Weeks wrote:Insert dildo joke here.

*raucous laughter* *applause*

Those are very filling though.

I... I don't think you're supposed to eat those.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:29 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
I'm not sure whether a simple set of 27 cubes would work - a lot of the magic of a Rubik's Cube is in the action of scrambling it, which is lost if you have to be careful to keep it together and simulate the constraints the Rubik's Cube enforces automatically.

On the other hand, if there's a way to get a Rubik's Cube with an easier reset than finding someone who knows how to solve one, that would add some value (though lose bragging rights for having a solved one around)

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:34 pm UTC
by cellocgw
Archgeek wrote:
Flumble wrote:
Weeks wrote:Insert dildo joke here.

*raucous laughter* *applause*

Those are very filling though.

I... I don't think you're supposed to eat those.


You haven't been watching the right lesbian fem-dom videos.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:39 pm UTC
by pkcommando
How about a pre-assembled, fully glued, LEGO set?

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:54 pm UTC
by pogrmman
rmsgrey wrote:I'm not sure whether a simple set of 27 cubes would work - a lot of the magic of a Rubik's Cube is in the action of scrambling it, which is lost if you have to be careful to keep it together and simulate the constraints the Rubik's Cube enforces automatically.

On the other hand, if there's a way to get a Rubik's Cube with an easier reset than finding someone who knows how to solve one, that would add some value (though lose bragging rights for having a solved one around)


Those Rubik’s cubes do exist — my friend has one (though instead of colors, the sides are numbers on dice). You just have to be careful when scrambling it and solving it, but it works great!

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:32 pm UTC
by Flumble
Pfhorrest wrote:(That's the joke).

Oh hehehe, I was completely oblivious that I repeated the joke. While reading Weeks' reply, I was fully in the mindset of "children's toys", for whom dildos are just useless* toys, making it a far more innocent joke. :oops:

*well, you can always play catch with them, or, if it's one with a suction cup, throwing it against a smooth wall, or use it as a prop in make believe.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:00 pm UTC
by Weeks
Flumble wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:(That's the joke).

Oh hehehe, I was completely oblivious that I repeated the joke. While reading Weeks' reply, I was fully in the mindset of "children's toys", for whom dildos are just useless* toys, making it a far more innocent joke. :oops:

*well, you can always play catch with them, or, if it's one with a suction cup, throwing it against a smooth wall, or use it as a prop in make believe.
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Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:15 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
cellocgw wrote:
Archgeek wrote:
Flumble wrote:
Weeks wrote:Insert dildo joke here.

*raucous laughter* *applause*

Those are very filling though.

I... I don't think you're supposed to eat those.

You haven't been watching the right lesbian fem-dom videos.

Who says it has to be lesbian fem-dom? Men can eat dildos too.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:56 pm UTC
by Archgeek
Pfhorrest wrote:
cellocgw wrote:
Archgeek wrote:
Flumble wrote:
Weeks wrote:Insert dildo joke here.

*raucous laughter* *applause*

Those are very filling though.

I... I don't think you're supposed to eat those.

You haven't been watching the right lesbian fem-dom videos.

Who says it has to be lesbian fem-dom? Men can eat dildos too.

TIL: There exist dildos either intended for consumption or least non-toxic that are made of a material of sufficiently low density that it can be bitten through and in some manner consumed.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:00 pm UTC
by Weeks
Archgeek wrote:TIL: There exist dildos either intended for consumption or least non-toxic that are made of a material of sufficiently low density that it can be bitten through and in some manner consumed.
you pinged five people for a half-assed joke

You make me proud

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:03 pm UTC
by Weeks
I guess your joke was unfulfilling

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Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:20 pm UTC
by RogueCynic
pogrmman wrote:
rmsgrey wrote:I'm not sure whether a simple set of 27 cubes would work - a lot of the magic of a Rubik's Cube is in the action of scrambling it, which is lost if you have to be careful to keep it together and simulate the constraints the Rubik's Cube enforces automatically.

On the other hand, if there's a way to get a Rubik's Cube with an easier reset than finding someone who knows how to solve one, that would add some value (though lose bragging rights for having a solved one around)


Those Rubik’s cubes do exist — my friend has one (though instead of colors, the sides are numbers on dice). You just have to be careful when scrambling it and solving it, but it works great!


Not the best picture but here you go.

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Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:21 pm UTC
by balthasar_s
my uncle once received a very cheap Rubik's cube.
He started playing with it.
When he continued rotating it, it was getting harder and harder to move.
He started ratating in the opposite direction.
Suddenly it fell apart.

Because, (as he then could see) the cube was held together by six screws.
Rotating clockwise tightened the screws and anticlockwise loosened them.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:59 pm UTC
by Flumble
Weeks wrote:
Flumble wrote:Oh hehehe, I was completely oblivious that I repeated the joke. While reading Weeks' reply, I was fully in the mindset of "children's toys", for whom dildos are just useless* toys, making it a far more innocent joke. :oops:

*well, you can always play catch with them, or, if it's one with a suction cup, throwing it against a smooth wall, or use it as a prop in make believe.
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Please don't Picard my entire message! It makes me very uneasy because I can't tell if I just made an ass out of myself or evoked the intended response. It leaves me, dare I say, unfulfilled. :oops:

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:37 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
pogrmman wrote:
rmsgrey wrote:I'm not sure whether a simple set of 27 cubes would work - a lot of the magic of a Rubik's Cube is in the action of scrambling it, which is lost if you have to be careful to keep it together and simulate the constraints the Rubik's Cube enforces automatically.

On the other hand, if there's a way to get a Rubik's Cube with an easier reset than finding someone who knows how to solve one, that would add some value (though lose bragging rights for having a solved one around)


Those Rubik’s cubes do exist — my friend has one (though instead of colors, the sides are numbers on dice). You just have to be careful when scrambling it and solving it, but it works great!


The having to be careful is my point there - it makes it fiddly rather than fun.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:12 am UTC
by Soupspoon
The (Rubik's-esque, but not licenced under that name) Tetrahedron was the most falling-apartingly iteration, from all the various ones I've had.

Also, given it has nine triangles per side, the three non-corner, non-edge triangles were the "centre" pieces (mechanically), the three corners of each side were just free-wheeling tetrahedra standing out from the last three with no complex freedom of movement other than being 0, 1 or 2/3rds out of alignment, a simple and disconnected twist away from the One True Position at whim. The three edge-pieces were the "transportable" pieces that could/could not agree with the rotations of the rest as you shuffled them around the middle hexagons, and the tolerances of the "gripped by the spinny bits" mouldings were such that they easily popped out. Whether because you wanted to cheat-dis/reassemble or just because you weren't carefully whilst twisting the main axes around.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:34 am UTC
by Showsni
The cup and ball with ball slightly too large to fit in the cup.
The Jacob's ladder where the blocks are only held by a single ribbon down the middle.
The half-a-hula-hoop.
The three foot long skipping rope.
The all spherical building blocks.
The all cuboid marbles.
The velcro mitts/pads and ball set, with all velcro surfaces having just the velvet part.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:45 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
Showsni wrote:The all spherical building blocks.
The all cuboid marbles.

Which if bought together get you what you presumably wanted after all...

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:27 pm UTC
by lgw
RogueCynic wrote:Not the best picture but here you go.


I have to say I'm surprised by the lack of overlap between these forums and cubers. Here's a review of a reasonable-quality magnetic cube - the 3x3 works better than you'd think. There's also a longer Mathologer vid that goes into more detail and has an interview with the guy who makes them.

Cubes with more normal mechanisms, but magnets to help them click into alignment, are a recent trend.

Edit: aren't group theorists required by law and custom to have a cube on their desks at all times?

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:38 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
lgw wrote:Edit: aren't group theorists required by law and custom to have a cube on their desks at all times?


Not necessarily a group theorist, but I have two within arms reach...

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:06 am UTC
by pogrmman
lgw wrote:
RogueCynic wrote:Not the best picture but here you go.


I have to say I'm surprised by the lack of overlap between these forums and cubers. Here's a review of a reasonable-quality magnetic cube - the 3x3 works better than you'd think. There's also a longer Mathologer vid that goes into more detail and has an interview with the guy who makes them.

Cubes with more normal mechanisms, but magnets to help them click into alignment, are a recent trend.

Edit: aren't group theorists required by law and custom to have a cube on their desks at all times?

That reasonable-quality one is what my friend (who is a cuber) has. It’s not like it falls apart, but you do have to be more careful with it than a regular cube. Plus, turning it isn’t entirely smooth because of the way the magnets are. And I hate the parity that pops up in the centers (but that applies for lots of 3x3 cubes). It’s a neat cube, but it’s certainly not my favorite.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:14 am UTC
by xtifr
You want fiddly? My brother has a Rubik's Cube he made out of paper! It's fully functional, but very delicate. Not completely unfulfilling, but definitely a case of being more fun to make than to use. (Or so he assures me.)

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:49 am UTC
by keldor
Showsni wrote:The cup and ball with ball slightly too large to fit in the cup.
The Jacob's ladder where the blocks are only held by a single ribbon down the middle.
The half-a-hula-hoop.
The three foot long skipping rope.
The all spherical building blocks.
The all cuboid marbles.
The velcro mitts/pads and ball set, with all velcro surfaces having just the velvet part.


The cup and ball are just a more challenging type, where you have to keep the ball balanced on the opening of the cup through the catching motion.

The three foot long skipping rope is intended for young kids.

The spherical building blocks and the cuboid marbles are simply misnamed. The proper names are "croquet balls" and "dice" respectively.

The other three I'm not so sure of XD.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:41 am UTC
by da Doctah
keldor wrote:The spherical building blocks and the cuboid marbles are simply misnamed. The proper names are "croquet balls" and "dice" respectively.


Somewhere around here I've got a set of spherical dice. There's some kind of cubical weight inside, in a cavity slightly larger than the cube, so it stops rolling with one of six regions of the spherical surface upwards.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:52 am UTC
by Sableagle
rmsgrey wrote:
lgw wrote:Edit: aren't group theorists required by law and custom to have a cube on their desks at all times?


Not necessarily a group theorist, but I have two within arms reach...

Does having two group theorists within arms' reach make you a group-hug theorist?

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:15 pm UTC
by Archgeek
xtifr wrote:You want fiddly? My brother has a Rubik's Cube he made out of paper! It's fully functional, but very delicate. Not completely unfulfilling, but definitely a case of being more fun to make than to use. (Or so he assures me.)

You want even more fiddly? Someone a while back on the Kerbal Space Program forums made a working cube out of stock parts.
I think it has some collider abuse for a bearing and a lot of docking ports.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:59 pm UTC
by SuicideJunkie
da Doctah wrote:Somewhere around here I've got a set of spherical dice. There's some kind of cubical weight inside, in a cavity slightly larger than the cube, so it stops rolling with one of six regions of the spherical surface upwards.

I had a pair of those that broke.

The inside has plastic ridges dividing it into six zones, and a small ball bearing to pick one of those buckets and hold the die in place once it stops rolling fast enough to dump the bearing into the next bucket over and over again.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:11 am UTC
by morerokk
A yoyo without the string attached is by no means "unfulfilling"! There is an entire class of yoyo tricks dedicated to this style (4A), usually called "offstring".

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:48 pm UTC
by Mikeski
pkcommando wrote:How about a pre-assembled, fully glued, LEGO set?

I think the LEGO equivalent would be a set that has no pieces with studs.

So only pieces like these:
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And none like these:
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Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:04 pm UTC
by Perrin
“Grot has lots of things that aren’t of any use, some of them are red, some of them are green and some of them are puce.”

The Grot shops stock lots of things like this.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:12 pm UTC
by Grimer11
Long-time reader, new forum user. I've been forced to create an account in these forums in order to take issue with the alt text of this comic. There are not "27 independent blocks" in a Rubik's cube. That is all.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:28 pm UTC
by speising
Grimer11 wrote:Long-time reader, new forum user. I've been forced to create an account in these forums in order to take issue with the alt text of this comic. There are not "27 independent blocks" in a Rubik's cube. That is all.

that is true, but nobody had claimed there were. in fact, the alt text explicitly says they didn't make it.

Re: 2049: "Unfulfilling Toys"

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:43 pm UTC
by Grimer11
speising wrote:
Grimer11 wrote:Long-time reader, new forum user. I've been forced to create an account in these forums in order to take issue with the alt text of this comic. There are not "27 independent blocks" in a Rubik's cube. That is all.

that is true, but nobody had claimed there were. in fact, the alt text explicitly says they didn't make it.


I understand that but it's a (very common!) failure in logic to think there are 27 blocks on a Rubik's cube and the alt-text clearly infers this. Had the author intended an arbitrary number of blocks (as you claim) he wouldn't have used the oft-incorrectly guessed number of blocks on a Rubik's cube, he would have instead used a seemingly random number like 20 or 30.