2078: "Popper"

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2078: "Popper"

Postby Megaryuu » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:26 pm UTC

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Title text: "At least, I don't think there's evidence. My claim that there's no evidence hasn't been falsified. At least, not that I know of."

I don't get it. Is this a reference to something?

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby rhhardin » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:34 pm UTC

Science is based on curiosity, which takes care of testing and verification.

Climate science has that failing. No curiosity, lots of cargo-cult science.

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby Ray Kremer » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:04 pm UTC

I had to look up the name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper

Turns out he's a guy that said a scientific theory or hypothesis can't be proven per se, it can only be disproven. Which is how I was always taught the scientific method, but popular junk science and soundbyte science ignores this.

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:19 pm UTC

Megaryuu wrote:I don't get it. Is this a reference to something?

It's a reference to Karl Popper, a philosopher of science who said that the thing that distinguishes scientific claims from other kinds of claims is that they can in principle be falsified, if they should turn out to be false; and consequently that the strongest strictly scientific claim we can ever make is that, despite exhaustive attempts to falsify the claim, we have not been able to do so. It's never really scientific, according to Popper, to say, positively, that something is definitely the case; only that it's not yet known to be not the case.

So in this comic, a teacher is telling her students things we know about Popper, according to a ridiculously strict interpretation of Popper's own philosophy: instead of saying things that we know are true about Popper, she's saying things that we don't know are false about him.

That's not how Popper's falsification is actually supposed to be applied, but that's what makes the joke funny.
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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby WriteBrainedJR » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:39 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
Megaryuu wrote:I don't get it. Is this a reference to something?

It's a reference to Karl Popper

Or, at least, nobody has proven that it isn't a reference to Karl Popper :roll:

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby Ranbot » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:04 pm UTC

WriteBrainedJR wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:
Megaryuu wrote:I don't get it. Is this a reference to something?

It's a reference to Karl Popper

Or, at least, nobody has proven that it isn't a reference to Karl Popper :roll:

This joke can go on forever! Wait... what I really mean is one has proven this joke cannot go on forever. :lol:

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby orthogon » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:16 pm UTC

Ray Kremer wrote:I had to look up the name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper

Of course, he's better known for the discovery of amyl nitrate.
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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby Old Bruce » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:37 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
Ray Kremer wrote:I had to look up the name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper

Of course, he's better known for the discovery of amyl nitrate.

Huh. I didn't know... Oh, I see what you did there.
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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:09 pm UTC

rhhardin wrote:Science is based on curiosity, which takes care of testing and verification.

Climate science has that failing. No curiosity, lots of cargo-cult science.

[citation needed]
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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:13 pm UTC

For some odd reason [cough] myusername {/cough] when anyone mentions Popper I expect them to be talking about this guy

His publications are subject to interpretation, too. :mrgreen:
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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby Durandal_1707 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:18 pm UTC

^ Wow, he didn't like to write pieces that didn't involve the cello, did he? :D

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby qvxb » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:52 am UTC

As Bird said, Popper ooo mow mow..

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby da Doctah » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:16 am UTC

cellocgw wrote:For some odd reason [cough] myusername {/cough] when anyone mentions Popper I expect them to be talking about this guy

His publications are subject to interpretation, too. :mrgreen:


I picture Blues Traveler (one of several musicians I've been told I look like).

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby theoriok » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:42 am UTC

qvxb wrote:As Bird said, Popper ooo mow mow..

Word!

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby theoriok » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:44 am UTC

da Doctah wrote:
cellocgw wrote:For some odd reason [cough] myusername {/cough] when anyone mentions Popper I expect them to be talking about this guy

His publications are subject to interpretation, too. :mrgreen:


I picture Blues Traveler (one of several musicians I've been told I look like).


whoa

Cello -> Pachelbel's Canon in D -> Blues Traveler

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby Wee Red Bird » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:20 am UTC

qvxb wrote:As Bird said, Popper ooo mow mow..

I never said that.

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby Sableagle » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:50 am UTC

Wee Red Bird wrote:
qvxb wrote:As Bird said, Popper ooo mow mow..

I never said that.

Maybe it was flicky or me. There's just no way to be sure we didn't.
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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby Lothario O'Leary » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:47 pm UTC

Well, to be fair, that way (probably) lies weirdness. To the best of my knowledge (and recollection), no one had yet proved that Karl Popper wasn't a camel.

Does this mean that we're supposed to behave as if he could have been one?

(Relevant xkcd. Probably.)

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby zjxs » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:26 am UTC

rhhardin wrote:Science is based on curiosity, which takes care of testing and verification.

Climate science has that failing. No curiosity, lots of cargo-cult science.


Fuck you.* Be honest.

Climate science is the most tested and scrutinized area of science in history. You just don't like its conclusions.

*Climate science deniers don't deserve civility. None at all.

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Re: 2078: "Popper"

Postby Bridge Troll » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:26 am UTC

zjxs wrote:Fuck you.* Be honest.

Climate science is the most tested and scrutinized area of science in history. You just don't like its conclusions.

*Climate science deniers don't deserve civility. None at all.


I rarely log in to post, but I am glad someone said it. I was left incredulous that an XKCD reader, of all people, would deride climate science in such a way. In particular, it was the matter-of-fact manner in which they asserted it that bugged me most; the utterly casual remark stated as if it were the blindingly obvious, as if nobody would be expected to dispute it, as if they were saying nothing more objectionable than "the sky is blue".


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