2132: "Percentage Styles"

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2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:34 pm UTC

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Alt-text: In a tribute to classical Latin, I started pronouncing it 'per-kent.' Eventually my friends had to resort to spritzing me with a water bottle like a cat to train me out of it.

I agree with this 650‰!

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Draconaes » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:39 pm UTC

What about 0.65?

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby speising » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:47 pm UTC

we learned in Latin class that the c is not pronounced as k before e or i. Like in "Cicero".

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Postby Bo Lindbergh » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:49 pm UTC

65/¢

(Any item you can buy 65 of for a single cent must be pretty small.)

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:55 pm UTC

(I also meant to say that Sixty-Five%=57.)

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:01 pm UTC

speising wrote:we learned in Latin class that the c is not pronounced as k before e or i. Like in "Cicero".

Was that Church Latin or Classical Latin? They differed.
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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby rmsgrey » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:02 pm UTC

13/20

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby JudeMorrigan » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:32 pm UTC

speising wrote:we learned in Latin class that the c is not pronounced as k before e or i. Like in "Cicero".

Interesting, in my Latin classes (using classical pronunciation), it was definitely "kick-er-o".

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby airdrik » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:32 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:...
I agree with this 650‰!

And I agree with this 6500‱!

Alternatively, reading through the Great Wiki page on Permyriad, one could conceivably also use 6.5 GigaBips. Expecting that being listed on that Great Wiki page would imply its being used out in the wild, a quick DDG search only yielded uses referring to billion bits per second. A similar search for UltraBips only yielded unrelated material or the aforementioned Great Wiki page.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby speising » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:47 pm UTC

JudeMorrigan wrote:
speising wrote:we learned in Latin class that the c is not pronounced as k before e or i. Like in "Cicero".

Interesting, in my Latin classes (using classical pronunciation), it was definitely "kick-er-o".

interesting. (german) wikipedia calls what i learned obsolete school pronunciation, derived from middle latin. so i guess we didn't actually learn to speak like the romans. i'm lucky i didn't fall through a time hole to Cesars time, then!

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby somitomi » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:56 pm UTC

Randall himself wrote:In a tribute to classical Latin, I started pronouncing it 'per-kent.' Eventually my friends had to resort to spritzing me with a water bottle like a cat to train me out of it.

I haven't thought of this before, but you could express people-related statistics by scaling the whole population to a county in England and say "1062734 per Kent of Finnish people have blond hair".
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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Jorpho » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:57 pm UTC

Threescore and fifty tenths per cent.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Morfos » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:10 pm UTC

Is this post-emojidome burnout? Cuz I could understand that.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:18 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:"1062734 per Kent of Finnish people have blond hair".

Is that "per Kentish Man" or "per Man of Kent"?

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Heimhenge » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:41 pm UTC

Randall's spread looks similar to what I got from Ngram:

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?c ... A2%3B%2Cc0

but I could NOT find a way to search for a hyphenated number (sixty-five%). Even tried some of their "advanced" search options but none seemed to work.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby SuicideJunkie » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:56 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:
somitomi wrote:"1062734 per Kent of Finnish people have blond hair".

Is that "per Kentish Man" or "per Man of Kent"?

Also, what is the cutoff being used?
I'd assume at least 750 000 per Kent Kentishness is required to count someone as part of Kent, but then things start to go recursive.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby chridd » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:12 pm UTC

I came across this recently; is this comic a response to that?

speising wrote:we learned in Latin class that the c is not pronounced as k before e or i. Like in "Cicero".
My understanding is that's wrong; c was always pronounced /k/ in Latin and then later the sound /k/ changed to other things before /e/ and /i/ in languages derived from Latin.
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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Flumble » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:57 pm UTC

It's just ⅔.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby TheEngineer » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:02 pm UTC

650,000 ppm perhaps
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6.5 dVsAN-1m-1.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby The Moomin » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:16 am UTC

Just over half.
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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Time Traveler » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:42 pm UTC

What about the people who put the percent sign in front of the number, i.e. "%65"? I assume that's so far off the bottom of the chart it doesn't show up?
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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby cellocgw » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:20 pm UTC

speising wrote:we learned in Latin class that the c is not pronounced as k before e or i. Like in "Cicero".


Was that a Classical Latin class or a Roman Catholic Latin class?

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby speising » Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:18 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
speising wrote:we learned in Latin class that the c is not pronounced as k before e or i. Like in "Cicero".


Was that a Classical Latin class or a Roman Catholic Latin class?

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Classical.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby keldor » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:04 am UTC

Think Randall's friends spritzing him with the spray bottle was any more effective than it was on the cat? :D

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby solune » Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:26 pm UTC

Time Traveler wrote:What about the people who put the percent sign in front of the number, i.e. "%65"? I assume that's so far off the bottom of the chart it doesn't show up?


They are wrong. Same as those who put the currency sign in front of the price.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby tgape » Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:23 pm UTC

Time Traveler wrote:What about the people who put the percent sign in front of the number, i.e. "%65"? I assume that's so far off the bottom of the chart it doesn't show up?


I suspect they're still above those that use "sixty-5 per%".

At least, I'm pretty sure I've seen that somewhere. My dreams are frequently unpleasant, but they're generally nowhere near *that* bad.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Time Traveler » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:12 pm UTC

solune wrote:
Time Traveler wrote:What about the people who put the percent sign in front of the number, i.e. "%65"? I assume that's so far off the bottom of the chart it doesn't show up?


They are wrong. Same as those who put the currency sign in front of the price.


Wait, do you mean "those who put the currency sign behind the price"? In front of the price is the place it's supposed to go: $14.99, $1200, etc. Incidentally, I find that the people who write %65 are also likely to write things like "15$" and (even worse) "1 million$".
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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby GlassHouses » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:47 pm UTC

Time Traveler wrote:
solune wrote:
Time Traveler wrote:What about the people who put the percent sign in front of the number, i.e. "%65"? I assume that's so far off the bottom of the chart it doesn't show up?

They are wrong. Same as those who put the currency sign in front of the price.

Wait, do you mean "those who put the currency sign behind the price"? In front of the price is the place it's supposed to go: $14.99, $1200, etc. Incidentally, I find that the people who write %65 are also likely to write things like "15$" and (even worse) "1 million$".

It depends on where you are. Some currencies don't even have a universally accepted convention for this. For example, in the Netherlands, 10 euros is € 10, while in Germany, it's 10 €, following the conventions for those countries' respective pre-euro currencies, ƒ 10 and 10 DM.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Flumble » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:16 pm UTC

Time Traveler wrote:
solune wrote:
Time Traveler wrote:What about the people who put the percent sign in front of the number, i.e. "%65"? I assume that's so far off the bottom of the chart it doesn't show up?


They are wrong. Same as those who put the currency sign in front of the price.


Wait, do you mean "those who put the currency sign behind the price"? In front of the price is the place it's supposed to go: $14.99, $1200, etc. Incidentally, I find that the people who write %65 are also likely to write things like "15$" and (even worse) "1 million$".

Just because loads of people put the currency in front doesn't make it right. Behind the price is where it's supposed to go, just like all other units. Heck, you even pronounce $1 as "one freedom dollar", with "one" at the front "dollar" at the back.
1 million$ should of course be written 1M$. (not to be confused with the M$ which is about 260G$)

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Postby somitomi » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:47 am UTC

Time Traveler wrote:Wait, do you mean "those who put the currency sign behind the price"? In front of the price is the place it's supposed to go: $14.99, $1200, etc. Incidentally, I find that the people who write %65 are also likely to write things like "15$" and (even worse) "1 million$".

That's the correct way in many places, because that's how you say it. I understand that placing the symbol in front became quasi-standard with some currencies (US dollar or yen for example) but I have no idea why. To me it seems illogical.
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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Soupspoon » Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:27 pm UTC

One of the reasons sometimes stated is that, with either decimals or other obvious delimiters trailing the value, it brackets the intended value and prevents its easy alteration to a higher (or, without being obvious, lower) magnitude of value.

£1.23p, £12.34, £123ONLY, £1234-----, £1.2s.3d, etc. Even using the TLA that way (easier than assuming £ didn't display/print as #, back in days past) which also gives such notation as GBP1M for one million of the increasingly precarious Pounds Sterling.

Not sure if this is entirely accurate, but it does look utterly wrong to see 12£. So, whysoever the convention, it is deep-grained.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby colonel_hack » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:20 am UTC

Three twenty five a nickel? Or about three quarters e / pi.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby solune » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:54 pm UTC

Time Traveler wrote:Wait, do you mean "those who put the currency sign behind the price"? In front of the price is the place it's supposed to go: $14.99, $1200, etc. Incidentally, I find that the people who write %65 are also likely to write things like "15$" and (even worse) "1 million$".


I've got one thing to say to that: successful troll is successful :D

I did mean what I said though. As others have said, I treat currency like any other unit. This is the common usage in France. We also have the mixed notation: 3€30 (meaning 3 euros and 30 cents), which also corresponds to the spoken number "trois euros trente"

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby SuicideJunkie » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:40 pm UTC

Code: Select all

65 mod 100

Because % is a binary operator, and you need the other operand to avoid a syntax error.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Eebster the Great » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:32 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:
Time Traveler wrote:Wait, do you mean "those who put the currency sign behind the price"? In front of the price is the place it's supposed to go: $14.99, $1200, etc. Incidentally, I find that the people who write %65 are also likely to write things like "15$" and (even worse) "1 million$".

That's the correct way in many places, because that's how you say it. I understand that placing the symbol in front became quasi-standard with some currencies (US dollar or yen for example) but I have no idea why. To me it seems illogical.

That is false. It is not "quasi-standard" for the US dollar, it is absolutely standard for the USD and for all other currencies using the $ symbol in their native formats. In American English at least, it is also standard to do the same with every currency symbol (except fractional denominations like ¢ and c). And this seems to be the most common format worldwide. So personal taste aside, $15 is definitely the "correct" format, and 15$ will lose you points on your test.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby solune » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:49 pm UTC

Today I discovered This (list of euro sign placement in every european language)

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:37 pm UTC

Which reminds me that it was said at the time that they were looking for a name for the what-was-to-become-€ that would work in any member language. And ended up with a term that was pronounced differently between most pairs of member languages. (I haven't fully checked whether that's ended up true, using that page as reference, but it's still likely very correct on statistical grounds.)

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby somitomi » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:53 pm UTC

Eebster the Great wrote:That is false. It is not "quasi-standard" for the US dollar, it is absolutely standard for the USD and for all other currencies using the $ symbol in their native formats. In American English at least, it is also standard to do the same with every currency symbol (except fractional denominations like ¢ and c). And this seems to be the most common format worldwide. So personal taste aside, $15 is definitely the "correct" format, and 15$ will lose you points on your test.

Good thing I won't be writing any tests in the foreseeable future then :wink:
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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby Eebster the Great » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:43 am UTC

somitomi wrote:
Eebster the Great wrote:That is false. It is not "quasi-standard" for the US dollar, it is absolutely standard for the USD and for all other currencies using the $ symbol in their native formats. In American English at least, it is also standard to do the same with every currency symbol (except fractional denominations like ¢ and c). And this seems to be the most common format worldwide. So personal taste aside, $15 is definitely the "correct" format, and 15$ will lose you points on your test.

Good thing I won't be writing any tests in the foreseeable future then :wink:

I just assume that xkcd fora are populated by people who are perpetually in school, either getting their 20th degree, or spending their 20th year still working on their first.

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Re: 2132: "Percentage Styles"

Postby jgh » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:21 pm UTC

Time Traveler wrote:
solune wrote:
Time Traveler wrote:What about the people who put the percent sign in front of the number, i.e. "%65"? I assume that's so far off the bottom of the chart it doesn't show up?


They are wrong. Same as those who put the currency sign in front of the price.


Wait, do you mean "those who put the currency sign behind the price"? In front of the price is the place it's supposed to go: $14.99, $1200, etc. Incidentally, I find that the people who write %65 are also likely to write things like "15$" and (even worse) "1 million$".

I corrected somebody in a IT class where he'd written 100£ correcting him to £100 and he said "oh, like with dollars?" I almost thumped him when I said, "no, LIKE WITH **** POUNDS!!!!!"


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