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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Someursault » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:21 am UTC

"these web comics are so bad" is a parody blog. I find it pretty funny, although not as funny as the enraged fans who don't get the joke and call him a retard.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby laurenb » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:27 am UTC

Piarew wrote:This is the first time I've seen an xkcd with a pbfcomics-style punch line.

I like it!


I thought of PBF too! The punchline is rather dark and sad for xkcd, but still amusing.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby phlip » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:41 am UTC

I have to echo all claims of the awesomeness of today's strip.

Also: I agree that the bad comics blog isn't that funny, but the fact that it's hard to tell if he's being sarcastic isn't an insult to his bad satire skills, but rather an insult to the rest of the Internet, for containing people who actually are that stupid. It's the same reason why you should never do satire in YouTube comments... people just can't tell you're not being serious... the usual "there's no way someone could think something so stupid, he must be joking" trigger doesn't fire, because of how stupid all the other comments are.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Workaphobia » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:01 am UTC

laurenb wrote:
Piarew wrote:This is the first time I've seen an xkcd with a pbfcomics-style punch line.

I like it!


I thought of PBF too! The punchline is rather dark and sad for xkcd, but still amusing.


PBF and XKCD are kind of closely related in my mind, partly because I discovered them within close proximity to one another. Today's xkcd is dark enough to pass for a happy pbf. Some pbfs are geeky enough to pass for xkcd: for example, this one.

I've found that almost all PBFs fall into one of two categories: Getting what you asked for, and getting owned by something of larger scale.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Moo » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:07 am UTC

Someursault wrote:"these web comics are so bad" is a parody blog. I find it pretty funny, although not as funny as the enraged fans who don't get the joke and call him a retard.
I get the joke, I just think it's particularly unfunny.

PS a parody on what?
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby from canada » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:22 am UTC

I too found today's comic in itself quite funny, showing off the awesome combined power of mentos and diet coke. The reference to that blog made it all the better.
"these web comics are so bad" is a parody blog. I find it pretty funny, although not as funny as the enraged fans who don't get the joke and call him a retard.

From what the author wrote, I'm sure the "enraged fans" are pretty much what they were aiming for. This type of sarcastic-humour style can basically be broken down like this:

1. Select a topic to argue that will have "fanatics" either for or against it

2. Take the side of the argument that opposes the majority's view. (ie. xckd sucks)

3. Make a long winded rant that starts off serious and gradually degrades into something on the level of incoherent babbling.

4. Wait for some "fanatics" to believe you.

5. Laugh at them.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby thefiddler » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:27 am UTC

Moo wrote:The fact that I don't believe you (or perhaps the info given to you), fiddler, is in no way a slight on yourself.

Then you are saying that you don't believe davean and, by extension, xkcd himself.

*shrug*

Have it your way. It really doesn't bother me one way or another, but I thought you guys would like to know the truth.
Someursault wrote:"these web comics are so bad" is a parody blog. I find it pretty funny, although not as funny as the enraged fans who don't get the joke and call him a retard.

The problem, as davean and xkcd said, with that blog, is it is utterly incomprehensible. Difficult to make it through an entire sentence and have any idea what he is trying to say.

It may be a joke, but it is very poorly written.
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Someursault wrote:"these web comics are so bad" is a parody blog. I find it pretty funny, although not as funny as the enraged fans who don't get the joke and call him a retard.
I get the joke, I just think it's particularly unfunny.

PS a parody on what?

A parody on blogs that really do rate webcomics.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Code J » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:29 am UTC

This comic wins.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby gmalivuk » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:33 am UTC

thefiddler wrote:
Moo wrote:The fact that I don't believe you (or perhaps the info given to you), fiddler, is in no way a slight on yourself.

Then you are saying that you don't believe davean and, by extension, xkcd himself.

*shrug*

Have it your way. It really doesn't bother me one way or another, but I thought you guys would like to know the truth.

I think it's funny how so many here see Randy as some kind of inaccessible deity or something, who no regular forumites could possibly be in, you know, communication with or something.

Guys, coming to your own conclusions about God's plans is fine. Viva la Reformation and all that. But there actually *is* a fact of the matter as to the chronology of comic writing and the reasons behind them and stuff.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby the human perl script » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:34 am UTC

from canada wrote:From what the author wrote, I'm sure the "enraged fans" are pretty much what they were aiming for. This type of sarcastic-humour style can basically be broken down like this:
1. Select a topic to argue that will have "fanatics" either for or against it
2. Take the side of the argument that opposes the majority's view. (ie. xckd sucks)
3. Make a long winded rant that starts off serious and gradually degrades into something on the level of incoherent babbling.
4. Wait for some "fanatics" to believe you.
5. Laugh at them.

It's called trolling. Come on guys, this is XKCD, you're supposed to know what trolling is! :D

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Mathmagic » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:37 am UTC

the human perl script wrote:
from canada wrote:From what the author wrote, I'm sure the "enraged fans" are pretty much what they were aiming for. This type of sarcastic-humour style can basically be broken down like this:
1. Select a topic to argue that will have "fanatics" either for or against it
2. Take the side of the argument that opposes the majority's view. (ie. xckd sucks)
3. Make a long winded rant that starts off serious and gradually degrades into something on the level of incoherent babbling.
4. Wait for some "fanatics" to believe you.
5. Laugh at them.

It's called trolling. Come on guys, this is XKCD, you're supposed to know what trolling is! :D

No, trolling is where you take these actions to the home of the target. ;)
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Workaphobia » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:38 am UTC

from canada wrote:I too found today's comic in itself quite funny, showing off the awesome combined power of mentos and diet coke. The reference to that blog made it all the better.
"these web comics are so bad" is a parody blog. I find it pretty funny, although not as funny as the enraged fans who don't get the joke and call him a retard.

From what the author wrote, I'm sure the "enraged fans" are pretty much what they were aiming for. This type of sarcastic-humour style can basically be broken down like this:

1. Select a topic to argue that will have "fanatics" either for or against it

2. Take the side of the argument that opposes the majority's view. (ie. xckd sucks)

3. Make a long winded rant that starts off serious and gradually degrades into something on the level of incoherent babbling.

4. Wait for some "fanatics" to believe you.

5. Laugh at them.


I saw a similar style of "satire" a while ago pertaining to Linux. I don't know if it was the origin of the term, but it described the operating system as "Lunix" and spewed some outrageous statements in an attempt at humor. It attracted swarms of people to complain in its comments, but the fact that it wasn't serious did not save it from the fact that it was not funny either.

On that note, I'd kind of like to see Linux get mocked in a Dave Barry kind of way.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby SnArL » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:42 am UTC

You know what else is cool? Mixing nail polish remover(acetone ONLY) and bleach!


Makes my dates a LOT easier! <_<




(seriously, kids. Do NOT mix up chloroform in your kitchen and then use it to rape people. That's bad....mmmmkay?)
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:47 am UTC

mathmagic wrote:No, trolling is where you take these actions to the home of the target. ;)


No, trolling is where you take these action to a bridge.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby madjo » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:55 am UTC

I actually didn't find this comic all that fantastic. But I guess tastes differ. :)
It's too random for my taste.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Edna » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:13 am UTC

I think this is super fantastic, and by far the funniest one for a while.

Tiptop :)

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Aviatrix » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:25 am UTC

I liked the reference to non-Newtonian fluids, because I just found out about those about a year ago, while researching "cool things to do in science class". We never played with oobleck when I was a kid.

I wonder if I put Mentos in Diet Coke I'd get a more interesting childhood.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Nullius in Verba » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:11 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
thefiddler wrote:
Moo wrote:The fact that I don't believe you (or perhaps the info given to you), fiddler, is in no way a slight on yourself.

Then you are saying that you don't believe davean and, by extension, xkcd himself.

*shrug*

Have it your way. It really doesn't bother me one way or another, but I thought you guys would like to know the truth.

I think it's funny how so many here see Randy as some kind of inaccessible deity or something, who no regular forumites could possibly be in, you know, communication with or something.

This, itself- is more or less a good point. Except for the part where it ruins the fun of the reference to the comic review. So I thought about it. And came up with a Randall-Deity model borrowing heavily from Sethian gnosticism in which you only think you are in regular communication with Randall, but are, in actuality, speaking with a much less awesome and amusing deity who is trying to pass himself off as Randall.

There, now everyone is happy. Randall is, in fact, humanly accessible, but still made this comic in response to the blog entry and it is only an even-more-accessible impostor of Randall that tells us otherwise.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby phlip » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:26 am UTC

Workaphobia wrote:I saw a similar style of "satire" a while ago pertaining to Linux. I don't know if it was the origin of the term, but it described the operating system as "Lunix" and spewed some outrageous statements in an attempt at humor. It attracted swarms of people to complain in its comments, but the fact that it wasn't serious did not save it from the fact that it was not funny either.

I believe you're thinking of adequacy.org, and in particular, Is Your Son a Computer Hacker?. A site which I found kinda funny, at times, but only after I realised it wasn't serious, which took quite a while (due to the aforementioned prevalence of stupid Internet people who could probably say all of that and be serious).

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Moo » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:42 am UTC

thefiddler wrote:
Moo wrote:The fact that I don't believe you (or perhaps the info given to you), fiddler, is in no way a slight on yourself.

Then you are saying that you don't believe davean and, by extension, xkcd himself.

*shrug*

Have it your way. It really doesn't bother me one way or another, but I thought you guys would like to know the truth.
Seriously, not a slight on yourself or any of the revered mods or xkcd or anything. I don't disbelieve that you have it from the horse's mouth. The clarity/info is appreciated, especially since there have been a few comics recently where I am convinced xkcd's intention was one thing and a whole bunch of forumites believes another, and I would have killed to know what he really meant.

It's a funny comic all it's own anyway but I believe on some level it must have drawn a tiny bit of inspiration from the unfunnyman's babbling. Just a bit? Surely? But hey maybe that's just me. No biggie.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Cai » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:30 am UTC

I don't think anyone actually keeps mentos in their kitchen. :roll:
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Domovoi » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:03 pm UTC

The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:No, trolling is where you take these action to a bridge.


So, does this mean that the late James Brown was a big advocate of trolling?

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Azraelle » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:19 pm UTC

dp wrote:That's brilliant --- I may have laughed a little too loud at work..........
I've also heard that if you make a virgin sacrifice to a bicarb soda + vinegar volcano you're cat will come back to life


... I'd rather keep the virgin. And the soda.

I find the comic funny because it was ludicrous and totally wasn't what I was expecting. And things like that make someone like me giggle.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby exarch » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:42 pm UTC

It reminds me of this comic, i.e. someone is doing science, and then for no apparent reason a 'miracle' happens.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby 1337geek » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:51 pm UTC

For a minute, I thought the rumors of xkcd jumping the shark last week were true. Then I saw the forum posts and read the 'parody' blog entry. If in fact this comic is alluding to that blog, then it's okay. I certainly hope it is. I now await Wednesday's comic, which will hopefully be a return to xkcd's usual style.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Beyondthewall » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:53 pm UTC

Cai wrote:I don't think anyone actually keeps mentos in their kitchen. :roll:


Dead wrong there, mate. I've got somewhere between 3 and 10 packages at any given time, depending on how hard my roommate's been hitting them.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby 1337geek » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:57 pm UTC

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Locus Cosecant wrote:I can only assume that this comic is a reference to this, which is totally awesome.

Well, I just asked and it isn't. Sorry to pop everybody's bubble, but the word from the man himself is that it isn't in response to that. It is just a cute coincidence.

Oh. Just saw that post. Now I'm disappointed. Oh well, guess you can't really expect every comic to be good. Time to go read the archive again while waiting for Wednesday's comic.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Pesto » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:11 pm UTC

It's still good, even if it wasn't a reference to that blog. And xkcd hasn't jumped the shark.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Green9090 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:32 pm UTC

I'm still extremely inclined to think that the comic was a reference to that blog, because it made it like 10 times funnier for me.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Sprocket » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:38 pm UTC

Nullius in Verba wrote:This, itself- is more or less a good point. Except for the part where it ruins the fun of the reference to the comic review. So I thought about it. And came up with a Randall-Deity model borrowing heavily from Sethian gnosticism in which you only think you are in regular communication with Randall, but are, in actuality, speaking with a much less awesome and amusing deity who is trying to pass himself off as Randall.

There, now everyone is happy. Randall is, in fact, humanly accessible, but still made this comic in response to the blog entry and it is only an even-more-accessible impostor of Randall that tells us otherwise.


This goes along with the whole Randall Munroe isn't the man we think he is, theory. The theory that he is a guy who lives in Cambridge MA and used to live with Belial in VA and such, but that the public appearances are all by a different dude entirely. Which, I can vouch, that unless Belial and Bitches are both in on this plan, is completely ludicrous.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Belial » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:56 pm UTC

Moo wrote:It's a funny comic all it's own anyway but I believe on some level it must have drawn a tiny bit of inspiration from the unfunnyman's babbling. Just a bit? Surely?


I wasn't privy to Fiddles' conversation, but I *was* in the apartment to witness much of Randall's working model for comic production, and it's very likely (though by no means guaranteed) that that comic was already finished, scanned, and uploaded into his automated queue before that other guy's review even hit the internet. Randy keeps a backlog of finished comics so that he always has a buffer (though he will slip newer comics ahead in the line if he has a particularly time-sensitive joke he wants to make or just a strip he's really proud of). So chances are high that it just *couldn't* have been influenced by that review.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:57 pm UTC

One wonders what would happen if vibrating corn starch + water was somehow COMBINED with coke + mentos awesomeness.

Anyone read Cats Cradle? Remember Ice-9? Maybe awesomeness would crystallize out in the universe and if the two were combined and it would be... Awesome-9.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Moo » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:11 pm UTC

Belial wrote:I wasn't privy to Fiddles' conversation, but I *was* in the apartment to witness much of Randall's working model for comic production, and it's very likely (though by no means guaranteed) that that comic was already finished, scanned, and uploaded into his automated queue before that other guy's review even hit the internet. Randy keeps a backlog of finished comics so that he always has a buffer (though he will slip newer comics ahead in the line if he has a particularly time-sensitive joke he wants to make or just a strip he's really proud of). So chances are high that it just *couldn't* have been influenced by that review.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Green9090 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:12 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:One wonders what would happen if vibrating corn starch + water was somehow COMBINED with coke + mentos awesomeness.

I wonder what would happen if you could totally submerge a bottle of diet coke in cornstarch and water, and then add mentos...
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Vanguard » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:15 pm UTC

I get the diet coke+mentos reference, I just don't get the dad thing, even after reading the blog.
edit: found the joke comic, I didn't read that far into it apparently.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby thefiddler » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:48 pm UTC

Belial wrote:
Moo wrote:It's a funny comic all it's own anyway but I believe on some level it must have drawn a tiny bit of inspiration from the unfunnyman's babbling. Just a bit? Surely?

I wasn't privy to Fiddles' conversation, but I *was* in the apartment to witness much of Randall's working model for comic production, and it's very likely (though by no means guaranteed) that that comic was already finished, scanned, and uploaded into his automated queue before that other guy's review even hit the internet. Randy keeps a backlog of finished comics so that he always has a buffer (though he will slip newer comics ahead in the line if he has a particularly time-sensitive joke he wants to make or just a strip he's really proud of). So chances are high that it just *couldn't* have been influenced by that review.

Sorry.

Thanks Belial.

davean said that the comic *was not influenced* by the blog. It's not a hard thing to grasp.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby bcoblentz » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:32 pm UTC

The guy on the left is trying to show his friend on the right the coolest thing ever, but his friend's dad one-ups him by popping back into existence (seemingly ex nihilo), which is arguably cooler.

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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby 1337geek » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:33 pm UTC

Pesto wrote:It's still good, even if it wasn't a reference to that blog. And xkcd hasn't jumped the shark.

I wasn't trying to imply that xkcd had jumped the shark. To clarify: xkcd will never jump the shark; it's too awesome, like Dilbert or FoxTrot. I was just saying that this comic certainly fits in with all the people who, in the last thread, said that xkcd was jumping the shark. Randall does a 1337 miniseries, to rave reviews. And what does he follow it up with? Diet Coke & Mentos bringing a kid's dad back. wtf? It was quite disappointing. But I have faith that on Wednesday xkcd will return to its usual brilliance.

Disclaimer: yes, I realize I said "jump the shark" like three times in different verb tenses. It's just a funny-sounding phrase! And yes, I have seen that episode of "Happy Days."
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby Sartorius » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:41 pm UTC

thefiddler wrote:davean said that the comic *was not influenced* by the blog. It's not a hard thing to grasp.


It's sure an odd coincidence, though, after reading that dumb "parody" blog *just yesterday* and coming back today to see this comic. Really, the fact that it's mere coincidence is a bit astounding.

Personally I think that makes the comic incredibly amusing, regardless if it was intended or not.
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Re: Discussion: Diet Coke+Mentos

Postby apotheosis » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:50 pm UTC

Domovoi wrote:
The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:No, trolling is where you take these action to a bridge.


So, does this mean that the late James Brown was a big advocate of trolling?


See? This is the sort of thing that XKCD engenders--a page and a half into a fairly serious discussion of the comic, satire, parody, poorly done satire, and so forth, there emerges yet another genuinely funny line. Bravo, Domovoi. Such gems are why I continue to mine these fora.

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