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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby joecentric » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:56 am UTC

jayhawk wrote:Did this comic make anyone else think about "The Nine Billion Names of God"?


Not at first, but now it does. And now I'm spooked.

One of my favorites from AC Clarke, btw. Along similar lines (kind of), try "The Forgotten Enemy," too.


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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Steve the Pocket » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:14 am UTC

Domovoi wrote:
transpetaflops wrote:But since the pixels are red and green, aren't they in fact "stuck" pixels? "Dead" pixels are just dead = black. Will the Matrix change now...?


"Dead" or "stuck" doesn't refer to color. If it's black, all subpixels are dead/stuck. If it's a color, then one or two subpixels are dead/stuck. So in this case, the sky is actually experiencing dead subpixels.

This got me thinking, is there any particular reason, aside from the fact that random chance will occasionally make it happen, why all three subpixels of a given pixel would be dead at once, as seems to be the case at least as often as not?

Incidentally, as I read through this thread, I discovered that the display I'm on right now (not my own, thank goodness) has a dead subpixel. A red one, actually, so it's about as hard to notice on this color of board (or a white one, for that matter) as physically possible.
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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Arancaytar » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:04 am UTC

Steve the Pocket wrote:This got me thinking, is there any particular reason, aside from the fact that random chance will occasionally make it happen, why all three subpixels of a given pixel would be dead at once, as seems to be the case at least as often as not?


There are different points of failure in the monitor, each of which would result in dead pixels in different combinations. For example, as I was just told in the Hardware forum, my monitor has malfunctioning pixel controllers that caused a whole line of pixels to die. I guess that a different malfunction could kill all three sub-pixels in a particular point.

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Yes.
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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby insom » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:56 pm UTC

FinalSin wrote:
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Degaussing the matrix would make for a spectacular light show.


Dude, what did you think the Aurora Borealis was? :lol:


Some bored guy with a really big magnet.

That would be Ludvig XIV then?
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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Plasma Man » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:29 pm UTC

notzeb wrote:Aw, Randall just missed the perfect opportunity to use the word "voxel".


Imagine if the voxel was defined by 6 pixels, but only three contiguous ones were broken. From some angles you'd see a dead voxel, but if you walked around it to the other side you couldn't see it.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Kirikasama » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:04 pm UTC

athelas wrote:The style of this comic reminds me of A Softer World.


I actually clicked on this thread to post that, the similarity must be pretty clear then. It's actually the only webcomic I prefer to xkcd.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby sjm27 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:45 pm UTC

Like the song says:
"There's a hole in the sky, something evil's passing by"

I'm showing my age quoting this, but it seems apt.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Jamaican Castle » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:56 pm UTC

UmbralRaptor wrote:...now where is the documentation to the universe? And is there any chance I could get the source code and a good compiler?


Sure. All you have to do is fall asleep reading a Lisp book.

Unfortunately, there isn't any documentation on quantum mechanics.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Elridge » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:03 pm UTC

saxmaniac1987 wrote:
Degaussing the matrix would make for a spectacular light show.

And seizures. Lots and lots of them. All at once.

But since dead pixels don't happen on CRTs, the matrix is LCD. So degaussing would not exist?


In my humble (and unfortunate) experience, i can tell that dead pixels DO happen on CRT's... I once bought a cheap 17" CRT because of it's good max resolution (1600x1200) and had to change it because of a dead pixel... And even then, the replacement had a dead subpixel. I finally changed it for another one of a respectable brand.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Black ICE » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:09 pm UTC

Heres a good question, how many frames per sec. dose life project? :shock: I've wondered how many fps the human eye can record for some time now as well.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby sonicspike41 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:18 pm UTC

I often stand around at work thinking, "I wish I could hold tab and speed through work." Then there's those times I want to hold tab to load sites and programs faster.

For some reason just hearing people say they joked about life's resolution, and that "insisting real life objects are photoshopped" makes me want to do those things. Every time I see a "My Hobby" comic I feel like trying it out afterwards.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby UmbralRaptor » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:49 pm UTC

Black ICE wrote:Heres a good question, how many frames per sec. dose life project? :shock: I've wondered how many fps the human eye can record for some time now as well.

~10^43 fps. Maybe.

As for the human eye, it's complicated. There's a lot of dropoff between 10 and 20 fps, but depending on the situation and individual (eg: fighter pilots), the limit can be as high as 100 fps.
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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Jiggsy » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:23 am UTC

Linux0s wrote:Obviously we need a better universe screen saver. ~Linux0s


Can you imagine some of the shitty windows screensavers being displayed up on the sky? 3d text and pipes would be freakin awesome!

Or even if we 'installed' the Matrix screensaver...

All this makes me think though... what's a dual monitor setup like in the matrix then?
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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby pinkgothic » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:52 am UTC

sjm27 wrote:Like the song says:
"There's a hole in the sky, something evil's passing by"


Or the off-tune Aperture variant: "There's a hole in the sky, through which things can fly."
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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby nobahdi » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:15 am UTC

Everyone knows life has no resolution... it's vectorized; that way its fully scalable.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Markavian » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:48 am UTC

MrAlex wrote:Could someone point me the "print screen" button? There was this really hot girl in the street and...
No, wait, better set-up time-shifting...

What you want is photographic contact lenses that capture everything you see. Soon we'll have terabyte ssd that you can carry around with you and record everything you see and do... (then all we need is video search/indexing to flick back and forth through our lives...)

Give it a few years maybe, : )

Edit: How many dead pixels would you get out of this?

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby rrwoods » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:32 pm UTC

pinkgothic wrote:Or the off-tune Aperture variant: "There's a hole in the sky, through which you can fly."

Fix'd. ;-)
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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby petermottola » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:37 pm UTC

Heh, suggested soundtrack for this comic: "Morning Has Broken".

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby zenten » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:48 pm UTC

Jamaican Castle wrote:
UmbralRaptor wrote:...now where is the documentation to the universe? And is there any chance I could get the source code and a good compiler?


Sure. All you have to do is fall asleep reading a Lisp book.

Unfortunately, there isn't any documentation on quantum mechanics.


Well, there is, but it's just a man page listing some of the use flags.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby phlip » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:42 am UTC

rrwoods wrote:
pinkgothic wrote:Or the off-tune Aperture variant: "There's a hole in the sky, through which you can fly."

Fix'd. ;-)

Hmm? I just checked, it's definitely "things".

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby netsplit » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:10 am UTC

I just can't get over how nice everything looks on my monitor now that it's clean.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby rrwoods » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:04 pm UTC

phlip wrote:
rrwoods wrote:
pinkgothic wrote:Or the off-tune Aperture variant: "There's a hole in the sky, through which you can fly."

Fix'd. ;-)

Hmm? I just checked, it's definitely "things".

Well damn. I usually have a better memory than that.
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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Insidious612 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:39 pm UTC

Just registered to note that when you were born with only one functioning eye, like I was, the line between life and virtual reality becomes even more blurred. :P

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby netsplit » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:39 am UTC

Insidious612 wrote:Just registered to note that when you were born with only one functioning eye, like I was, the line between life and virtual reality becomes even more blurred. :P


Ahh a fellow person with no depth perception. I don't have it either. Catching something in the air is tricky, especially if it ain't quite the size you think it is.
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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby mudge » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:38 am UTC

Insidious612 wrote:Just registered to note that when you were born with only one functioning eye, like I was, the line between life and virtual reality becomes even more blurred. :P


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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Agaeki » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:29 pm UTC

Look! What's that up in the sky?

Is it a bird?

Is it a plane?


Obvious gag. I suppose we could use superman to poke at dead pixels if we got any. Or Neo. Or a really really tall person.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Mr. Beck » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:25 pm UTC

nobahdi wrote:Everyone knows life has no resolution... it's vectorized; that way its fully scalable.

Not true; it's 1.6 × 10−35 (sort of).

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby ManaUser » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:08 am UTC

Zafsk wrote:Psh, dead pixels are one thing. Can you imagine complete video driver failure!?

I don't have to imagine it, I just had a chance to see it! I went to a show at the Griffith Observatory's planetarium, and about five minutes in, as the dome was showing a lovely evening sky it suddenly went all out of whack. Basically it was scrambled in large rectangular blocks. Additionally it became apparent that the sky was made from two halves which no longer matched up.

But they fixed the technical problems after a couple minutes and the show (Centered in the Universe) was pretty cool.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby Lukeonia1 » Wed May 26, 2010 7:35 am UTC

Wheee, bumping an old thread!

I just realized, I think Randall took some creative license with dead sub-pixels to make this comic. An actual single dead sub-pixel wouldn't result in a red or green pixel, it would result in a cyan, yellow, or magenta pixel.

Here's a normal LCD display close-up, and normal scale:
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(Each pixel consists of a red, green, and blue sub-pixel, in that order. Hence, this image is 5x5 pixels.)

Here's what a normal dead pixel looks like, and how it would appear on your monitor:
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And here's what normal dead sub-pixels look like, and how they'd appear:
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(You might need a magnifying glass for this one.)

But on the comic, to produce a red or green pixel, TWO sub-pixels have to be out, like this:
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For that to happen, two sub-pixels would have to die together in one pixel, and I wouldn't think that would happen very often. Even changing the arrangement of the sub-pixels (RBG instead of RGB, for example) wouldn't help. Even worse, the sky would likely be some shade of cyan, which wouldn't have any red in it anyway.

But then again, I suppose a yellow or cyan pixel would be a lot harder to spot in the comic.

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby phlip » Wed May 26, 2010 11:00 pm UTC

Lukeonia1 wrote:Even worse, the sky would likely be some shade of cyan, which wouldn't have any red in it anyway.

Sky blue is very light and desaturated... there's plenty of all colours there, just more blue than red.

Good point with the rest of it, though. I was going to suggest that maybe the screen isn't RGB, but some other colour system... but I don't think a colour system exists where you can change white to red by only changing one value, but which still has the range to cover most human-visible colours... Green I think might be possible, but I'm not sure, I don't know enough details about human vision (I dabble, 'cause it's very interesting and more complicated than you'd think, but only know the basics).

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Re: "Morning" Discussion

Postby RebeccaRGB » Wed May 26, 2010 11:19 pm UTC

I didn't notice the "dead pixels" until I came to this thread either. But that may be because my GPU has started to fail, and I'm used to ignoring random cyan pixels, yellow gradient sweeps, and scanlines of garbage. :)
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