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0438: "Internet Argument"

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:06 am UTC
by russianspy1234
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Alt-text: It's easier to be an asshole to words than to people.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:07 am UTC
by MysticTerminator
:-/ but I love webweb arguments!

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:07 am UTC
by vodka.cobra
I have no problem being an asshole to someone in person.

"Internet Arguement" Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:08 am UTC
by paragon12321
This comic is completely true. Rememer, the people you talk to on the internet are real people

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:09 am UTC
by Megums
Haha, true.

When people are being stupid, sometimes I just have to remember that they feel the same about me.
And also, it's the internet. No one cares. :D

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:10 am UTC
by paragon12321
Grr...ninja'd again.

Anyway, yeah. Remember that the other users are actually people. With feelings and...stuff.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:10 am UTC
by muffin of doom
Wow, I totally didn't get what was going on in this comic until I read the alt-text. Who exactly is the flying girl?

Re: "Internet Arguement" Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:10 am UTC
by Magritte's Apple
Rememer, the people you talk to on the internet are real people


And probably do not infact have rooms with posters of <insert random dictator here>

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:10 am UTC
by mache-b123
Man... I use to do it, but when I know that motherfucker out there, he usually gives me a lot of beer and all those troubles suddenly pass to nothing.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:11 am UTC
by glasnt
No no no, you're missing the point.

The guy being carried around was arguing with the other guy. But when the girl showed the guy that the other guy had an LCD monitor whereas the original guy only had a CRT, that's when he shutup.

Duh. :roll:

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:12 am UTC
by TheHand
Sadly, I'm don't think it would make much of a difference.

Still, the point that the Alt-text makes is totally true.

Re: "Internet Arguement" Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:13 am UTC
by DeathGod321
Darn, I thought that this would be another http://xkcd.com/198/ in light of download day / the server meltdown.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:17 am UTC
by chustar
This is why I usually have my real picture on my profile on some forums. (Not here, people don't flame on the Fora.)
This reminds me of the monkeysphere article that David Wong over at cracked wrote a couple of years ago.
http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_wh ... phere.html
Still makes sense now.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:22 am UTC
by Green9090
At first I was in the middle of something in another window and only saw the first 5 panels. My first thought was "woah, Randall is copying Buttercup Festival!"

I still kind of like that interpretation. Guy is pissed off at someone on the internet, and suddenly gets carried over beautiful black and white scenery by mysterious girl. The end.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:30 am UTC
by SeventhBetaRelease
This comic is so true.

It's easier to emphasize anger and strong emotions twards words, mear text on a flat surface, than it is twards a living person. Text can only go so far, but a face2face conversation always beats screaming at a monitor.

Emotioncons...I'll save that for that later.

EDIT: The Alt text sums up this statement. Sorry for reitterating. :P

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:33 am UTC
by jdmack
I personally know of multiple instances when people who had vicious flame wars on the 'net became best friends once they met in person.

J. D.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:33 am UTC
by Cooley
Wow, almost makes me want to change my ways...

Nah, most of the internet is bots, right?

right?


Great comic tho.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:36 am UTC
by JonMW
I don't think that this situation would have the same resolution for every argument. For example, night before last on a Garry's Mod online roleplaying server, there was one guy who was just being an overall pain in the ass. Ignoring rules, making things harder for everyone, denying everything he did. And there were no admins on, so the rest of us were reduces to sitting and swearing.
If I could punch that guy in the face without sustaining more serious injury to my own body parts, I would.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:40 am UTC
by Emperor_Z
Unfortunately, I'm just as argumentative in person as I am online. Most people don't seem to like this, so they try to change the subject while I continue to press their argument, and I come off as an ass who can't let things go.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:40 am UTC
by dr7
I have no problem arguing with people on the internet even when I'm reminded that they're real people, because in general, they are so freaking stupid that they deserve to be yelled at.

If people would be less stupid, I wouldn't argue with them.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:47 am UTC
by Drake Zure
How do I summon flying-girl, and can she take me to people I'm not arguing with?
this is the closest I've ever come to a get-out-of-my-head-moment (heretofore to be called a GOOMHM), as I have been wanting something similar to happen to me for the last few weeks, and, if I'm to be perfectly honest with myself, I still want it to happen.
I'm just not so sure how well it would work out right now.

I don't suppose anybody here would be willing to help me pay for a quasi-impulsive airline ride? I could contribute a couple of bucks...

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:48 am UTC
by SeventhBetaRelease
It would be interesting to know what they (people in the comic) were arguing about. Just pointing that out.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:50 am UTC
by TwilightWonder
I came to this topic to post a link to the Monkeysphere article.


I see my task has already been completed.

Good job, random internet man/woman (but, statistically, most likely man).

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:51 am UTC
by Drake Zure
SeventhBetaRelease wrote:It would be interesting to know what they (people in the comic) were arguing about. Just pointing that out.

They were arguing about Harry Potter and the practical applications possible for the phrase "accio whores".

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:52 am UTC
by Sprocket
There should have been a panel of them standing and looking at each other for a moment feeling awkward.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:52 am UTC
by Wes Janson
I dunno, if they're capable of really raising my ire online, they're probably capable of doing so in real life.

I just had a rather shocking argument with a person today, of the communist persuasion. He felt that Stalin was a great man who had worked for the best interest of the Russian people, and that the famines of the USSR and communist China were unfortunate and regrettable, yet necessary missteps on the process to achieving a better society. The deaths of thirty million Chinese were "more than justified" by the improvements the Communist Party wrought in China. In line with this thinking, Western civilization is immoral, and quote "An IED a day keeps the Yankees away".

Needless to say, physical violence was indeed tempting.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:53 am UTC
by Jiggsy
SeventhBetaRelease wrote:This comic is so true.

It's easier to emphasize anger and strong emotions twards towards words, mear mere text on a flat surface, than it is twards (again, towards a living person. Text can only go so far, but a face2face face-to-face conversation always beats screaming at a monitor.

Emotioncons Emoticons...I'll save that for that later.



Oh, and for the record... I'm taking the piss...

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:15 am UTC
by lysandra
SeventhBetaRelease wrote:It would be interesting to know what they (people in the comic) were arguing about. Just pointing that out.



I think it's better as it is.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:18 am UTC
by stormoftara
Just as an experiment the other day, I posted a thread on a forum {Not here} on an alternative account from my main, asking a personal question. I got VERY VERY VERY mean responses. I mean if I had asked this question in person, no one would've said these things to me. Over the internet, it's so much easier to be mean. You don't see people as people anymore. Weird it's like...this comic was made just at the right time. MIND READER.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:23 am UTC
by SeventhBetaRelease
Jiggsy wrote:
SeventhBetaRelease wrote:This comic is so true.

It's easier to emphasize anger and strong emotions twards towards words, mear mere text on a flat surface, than it is twards (again, towards a living person. Text can only go so far, but a face2face face-to-face conversation always beats screaming at a monitor.

Emotioncons Emoticons...I'll save that for that later.



Oh, and for the record... I'm taking the piss...


Wow. I never really spelled good anyway.

lysandra wrote:
SeventhBetaRelease wrote:It would be interesting to know what they (people in the comic) were arguing about. Just pointing that out.



I think it's better as it is.


You're right, it is. That would probably cause an Internet Argument itself. :mrgreen:

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:40 am UTC
by sk8ingdom
Could that be the girl from the Choices' series? Perhaps in between her two instances of existence we're already aware of?

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:41 am UTC
by EsotericWombat
SeventhBetaRelease wrote:It would be interesting to know what they (people in the comic) were arguing about. Just pointing that out.



They were arguing about everything we argue about in SB and N&A. It is a rebuke of our ways. It is the reason Randall doesn't darken our door anymore :(

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:45 am UTC
by dsutton
whoever she is, she obviously knows Python http://www.xkcd.com/353

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:46 am UTC
by roseneko
There's actually a term for the easier-to-be-an-asshole-to-words-than-people phenomenon in the communications field - they call it "I-it communication" (as opposed to "I-you communication"). It's sort of a shorthand for the very human trait to discount others' humanity when they can't actually see them - you see it a lot in road rage, where the driver is obscured by their vehicle, and (of course) on the internet. Interestingly, you also see it when the communicator perceives a large difference in intelligence between them and their intended target - high-level doctors often use I-it communication with their patients, as do normal-intelligence people when dealing with handicapped folk.

Needless to say, it's rarely a successful communications tactic, and tends to say more about the person utilizing it than they might want others to know. :D

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:47 am UTC
by elminster
Comic is true; however, there have been a number of cases which I'd happily (and forcefully) express my opinion to some people. Usually isn't the case at the moment, as I've come to realise just how dumb some people are and that there's little I can do but pity them.
Over the years I think I've learnt to deal with them better. For example, you can show over-acceptance to undermine their point of attack; or indirectly attack their argument through blaming it on something they have no control over (e.g. Express sorrow that they had bad parents which make them express those views. Works well against young people); or witty responses that appear to be of a high quality argument; or simple logic (If they don't grasp that then it's a dead end). Most of those only work against people who don't think through what they're saying or has been said though.

Unfortunately though, this does bring up a topic that came into light for me recently. Pretty much my little bro trolls forums (I'm pretty sure he picked that up off 4chan), however I'm reasonably sure he could A) Easily be an asshole in real life if he wanted to and B) win in a fight if they were threatening him.

I know another person who turns from "ok" to be with to plain asshole when online. This comic would be perfect example for him. He doesn't use the internet so much, so I'm assuming he still views it as "just text".

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:50 am UTC
by aleflamedyud
God, what a bitch that flying girl is.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:58 am UTC
by Xeio
aleflamedyud wrote:God, what a bitch that flying girl is.

Say that to her face! :roll:

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:03 am UTC
by JET73L
But somebody on ther internet is wrong! It doesn;t matter thet they're now standing in my living room!

On a less jocular note, I actually find it easier to avoid fights in the ionternet than in real life. On the internet, you can assume that ewither a person is too stupid to listen to your side of the argument, or is smart enough that they have their own reasons (logical, moral, someone might be forcing them at gunpoint to start a flamewar) for continuing to escalate the situation. IRL, people interrupt me, and tell me off for things I haven;t finished saying, and that just really.,.....
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........ :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
That sucks.

I prefer arguments online, there's usually enough time beween necessary posts for me to calm down froma surprise insult and prepare the logical counter-attack.

Re: Internet Argument Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:20 am UTC
by Jiggsy
Xeio wrote:
aleflamedyud wrote:God, what a bitch that flying girl is.

Say that to her face! :roll:


Xeio... isn't that the point of this comic? :D

Re: "Internet Arguement" Discussion

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:36 am UTC
by madhollywood
I for one am often completely unreal when I assume my online persona. That is not to say that I completely forget my manners, but I don't mind getting in a fake argument now and again as long as both side realize that it is total and complete nonsense. All in good fun you know.

Yes, we are all in fact people and that is not a fact that should be obscured by the portal of a computer monitor.