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Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:25 pm UTC
by Ferahgo
I read House of Leaves when I was in high school, and really liked it, but it had been so long that I really had no idea what this comic was referencing at first. And I did not see the extra title text until it was pointed out here (I guess I just never look at that part of the comic page).

I was then annoyed at myself for not getting it, because when I was younger I thought I was the only person who had read that book and enjoyed it. I don't think I've ever seen it referenced/parodied in such a way before. So, neat.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:42 pm UTC
by Rabu
Is the serial comma the same as the Oxford comma?

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:54 pm UTC
by Alder
Didn't get the reference, but now I'm veeeery hungry...

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:39 pm UTC
by Meagen
aeiss wrote:Read the book.
Read the book.

READ THE BOOK


No.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:40 pm UTC
by Threb
Meagen wrote:
aeiss wrote:Read the book.
Read the book.

READ THE BOOK


No.


Yes.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:41 pm UTC
by Meagen
Threb wrote:
Meagen wrote:
aeiss wrote:Read the book.
Read the book.

READ THE BOOK


No.


Yes.


No.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:18 am UTC
by Nobodyhasthis
I'm actually surprised by the number of people that haven't read House of Leaves here. Then again not a lot of people have heard about it To begin with

I mean, the book just screams xkcd. Especially the science footnotes. I really got a kick out of it when he used an improper physics equation to prove that the hole Navidson was in was actually deeper than the diameter of the earth. I also like how the meaning of the universe was XXXXX out. And all readers of xkcd know the universe has an infinite destiny17. Seriously guys, read it. You'll love it.

17Typo: Should read "density".

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:40 am UTC
by Meagen
Nobodyhasthis wrote:You'll love it.


This is very definitely false in my case.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:44 am UTC
by StreetSharks
I recognized this right away, I think it was spot on the wonderfully written book. Plus it gave me the lolz!

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:13 am UTC
by lambda_warrior
I haven't read the book and didn't see the note at first, and by the time I was done with the comic I was absolutely certain it was a parody of Lemony Snicket -- not so much the style of the Series of Unfortunate Events books, but the way he writes the companion books like the Unauthorized Autobiography, The Beatrice Letters, etc.. Looking at it again I realized that if one were to parody Lemony Snicket there are many more obvious elements that probably would have been included instead of just having a vague stylistic similarity, but re-reading the comic that resemblance still pings for me, even knowing I'm wrong....

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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:33 am UTC
by '; DROP DATABASE;--
Sounds like another book for the list of books I should read. Even so, I enjoyed the comic. I like the deranged, going-insane writing style.
xkcdfan wrote:I laughed out loud and I didn't get the reference. WTF FTW.
Fixed.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:38 am UTC
by strangerinastrangeland
"I remember finding the Santa Fe Omelet on the floor next to one of the ashtrays. I saw a runny dollop of whipped cream pooling in the crease of a booth and wandered over to take a look. Across the table I saw his laptop and rooty tooty jr.. It was all just left sitting there. The rifle was nearby to, but there was no sign of him... the sausage was still warm..."

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:06 am UTC
by Dr. Rev. XYZZY
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Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:47 am UTC
by Arsin
Oh my god. I love you, Randall. I love you so much.

House of Leaves is at least my third favorite book ever.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:25 am UTC
by vellumwing
awesome comic! i was beginning to think that the only people who had read this book were me and the person who suggested it to me, haha. "only revolutions" by the same author is also very experimental/cool.

oh, and anyone wondering wtf "who gives a f*** about an Oxford comma?" is referring to should know that it comes from the song "Oxford Comma" by the band Vampire Weekend.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:08 am UTC
by AltoidAddict
strangerinastrangeland wrote:"I remember finding the Santa Fe Omelet on the floor next to one of the ashtrays. I saw a runny dollop of whipped cream pooling in the crease of a booth and wandered over to take a look. Across the table I saw his laptop and rooty tooty jr.. It was all just left sitting there. The rifle was nearby to, but there was no sign of him... the sausage was still warm..."


Wonderful, just wonderful.
After reading the comic today, I went to 2 bookstores to buy HoL. I'd read it before, but I borrowed a friend's copy. Didn't drive me any crazier, but maybe this time it will.
Also, anybody read Dhalgren by Samuel Delany? Some things about it remind me of House of Leaves, but they're both such unique books, I don't know, maybe they're similar. Anyway, I really like both of them. Your mileage may vary.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:10 am UTC
by kesmille
Rabu wrote:Is the serial comma the same as the Oxford comma?


Yes, the serial comma and the Oxford comma are the same thing.

Now, onto the comic itself. I am so thankful that I came in here to read the comments. It makes me feel not so very alone for having read it and not thinking it's the greatest book EVAR. Upon reading through the livejournal comments on it (I know, I know, laugh it up), one would think that everyone thinks it's a paragon of literature on par with Milton or Homer. Okay, that's not fair. Maybe comparing him to Picasso and Duchamp would be more apt.

One of the things I hate most about House of Leaves is what I call the Arrested Development argument used by rabid fanatics of the book. Not everyone who loves the book (or the series) is like this, but you see it so much around fandom in general. There's this tendency to accuse someone who doesn't like the same things you are fanatic about to be "too stupid to understand it." I found it in spades in the LJ comments, but not so much in here by the people who loved the book. Thank you, thank you, thank you all for restoring my faith.

Forgive me, this isn't my personal blog to rant. I'll just step out backwards very slowly and continue this rant on my personal blog (shameless plug, I know).

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:12 am UTC
by ivesjd
I'm glad that I'm finally one of the few people that gets one of the comics :D The book was... crazy... like the blue box of random hardware...

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:44 am UTC
by mr_coffee
The IHop less than a block away from me closed... I wonder if its a sign of the "end times".

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:14 am UTC
by mizkimi
oh, i LOVED this one! i even missed the title telling me it was a parody of House of Leaves. i stared at it for a few seconds, then laughed out loud and clapped and said, "YAY!!!" it was sublime. just joyfully sublime. i mailed House of Leaves to an engineering friend of mine, because of the part where the outside measurements of the house were smaller than the inside measurements. he was at the time remodeling his home. the combination of remodeling and reading that book pretty much pushed him RIGHT to the edge...just not off. not yet. but soon.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:29 am UTC
by kaleidors
suso wrote:Star Trek: The Experience is closing? NOOO!!!!! I only got to go once (maybe that was enough), but when I went, Quark's Bar was closed for some private party which was VERY annoying. If they are going to have a private party, have it after hours or something.


I was very sad when I heard about this too. When the lights go out when you're in line & come back on and you're on the transporter pad... pure awesomeness. The Borg experience was really good too.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:17 pm UTC
by simdude
I nearly died of joy seeing this comic. I read house of leave over the summer and I loved it. And I'm the type of person who would normally claim they would hate reading experimental fiction.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:02 pm UTC
by dabigkid
I haven't been to the forums in a while. I am just posting to applaud Monroe on the House of Leaves reference.

Also, everybody should read this wonderful book.

Back to never coming here.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:15 pm UTC
by Ocker3
I've been hungering after pancakes and waffles for weeks now, and then This?!? Curse you cruel universe. Why must I live in a country so devoid of Dennys, IHOPs and Waffle Houses???

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:49 pm UTC
by ces
stormoftara wrote:I've never read House of Leaves, {why is house in blue anyway?} but now I really want to. Randall Monroe...are you trying to steal my mind and make me read books????

But now I REALLY want to go to the diner and get pancakes


House always appears blue whenever it's printed in the book. There are a lot of theories as to why that is, but my favorite is that it acts as a bluescreen of sorts (as in bluescreens used in movie). Giving out more information is probably spoiler-ish, so I won't :D

Wow, it's been a long time since I've read HoL, but I got the reference in the comic immediately. It was one of my favorite books. I used to read forums and such to find out all the theories / codes hidden in the book. It was fun :D

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:54 pm UTC
by The Cuive
Firstly, I created an account just so I could let you all know your ramblings on about HoL has inspired me to purchase both HoL, as well as Only Revolutions. I am more than a little excited to read them. I really like inventive takes on old ideas, and getting create like this in literature takes a lot of balls now days.

Secondly, I just realized that he references Rochester, New York. Being a native Rochestarian, and a current student at the Rochester Institute of Technology, I gotta say that this webcomic is officially bad-ass, and awesome. Both simultaneously, and in careful harmony, such that the combined traits, working in tandem, do not completely obliterate the known universe.

Thirdly, and lastly, I just wanna say hi to everyone finally (I realize this isn't the place to do it, but I'm too lazy to get over to general discussion and all that jazz). So, hi to the community I've been lurking in for a couple months now!

<3 xkcd

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:11 am UTC
by mariushm
I've actually ordered the book today. My first order from Amazon even :D

It's funny, it costs me about $13.5 the 700 page book and 7 dollar shipping, about $21.5 in the end, and it's still cheaper than buying from my country (about 28$ without $2-3 shipping)

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:35 am UTC
by william
Okay, I started reading House of Leaves and I got a few pages in* and I couldn't get through it, simply because it felt way too much like Zampano was just repeating "The house is fucked up" over and over in academia-speak. Does it get better after the beginning?

*I got through the first part in Courier, and had made it to the first footnote where it went back to Courier before deciding not to continue.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:47 am UTC
by steven_h
I registered just to ask -- how can we lobby to buy this comic in poster form, from the store?

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:56 am UTC
by Dark_EK
Who IS mohawk girl?

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:37 am UTC
by HeartOfFocus
While I am a long time committed reader to this comic, It's been tough for me to really get into the forum. I think this comic did it. Ive been compulsively checking it every few hours.. just like i compulsively read House of Leaves. hopefully though, i won't have to set this forum down for months at a time because I've started noticing claw marks, furr, moving doors, and closets that don't exist. And trying to document my findings in footnotes.

My point: I love you guys. ^.^

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:38 am UTC
by Threb
william wrote:Okay, I started reading House of Leaves and I got a few pages in* and I couldn't get through it, simply because it felt way too much like Zampano was just repeating "The house is fucked up" over and over in academia-speak. Does it get better after the beginning?

*I got through the first part in Courier, and had made it to the first footnote where it went back to Courier before deciding not to continue.


Yes. Also, don't be dissuaded by the chapter about echoes. (I found that one, aside from Johnny's footnote in it, really boring.) It starts to get really good (I think) when it starts furthering Navidson's story from the beginning.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:47 am UTC
by HeartOfFocus
william wrote:Okay, I started reading House of Leaves and I got a few pages in* and I couldn't get through it, simply because it felt way too much like Zampano was just repeating "The house is fucked up" over and over in academia-speak. Does it get better after the beginning?

*I got through the first part in Courier, and had made it to the first footnote where it went back to Courier before deciding not to continue.


Definitely. The beginning is a little dull. And there are dull parts... But part of the beauty of HoL, at least in my opinion, is that you can skip them. And skip around. and you will probably reread parts. Also, the craziness of Zampano, once in context, is way more interesting. Certain parts, portions, and speakers, annoy me. And the porno sections can sometimes be a bit much. But I firmly believe there's something there for everyone.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:35 am UTC
by ecksyz
I registered to this board simply to say how much I love you for referencing House of Leaves.



how much I love you for referencing House of Leaves.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:46 am UTC
by macronencer
Threb wrote:
macronencer wrote:
Threb wrote:I got a full color version from Barnes and Noble for about 20 dollars, and that was about two weeks ago. I'm glad I saw it and remembered it was a book I was interested in. You should probably check one if it's convenient.


Was it really full colour? Wikipedia seems to imply that there TWO-colour and FULL-colour versions. Would you mind giving us a link to the B&N page? Or an ISBN would be great. Thanks!


Just checked, it's in full color. (according to the inside of the cover, has struck passages and the word minotaur in red, the word "house" in blue, plus braille and color plates) ISBN number is: 0-375-70376-4. "Remastered Full-Color Edition." Is on the cover of mine. I couldn't find it on amazon.com, but it's on .ca here, if that helps: http://www.amazon.ca/House-Leaves-Remas ... 0375703764

This is also evidently in full color: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/House- ... 528/?itm=2


Thanks very much for the info. I've just placed an order from a UK Amazon marketplace seller, based on the ISBN :)

I've just realised that I recently bought "Leaves of Grass" by Walt Whitman from Amazon, and now I'll have "House of Leaves". I fully expect to discover a book called "House of Grass" in the near future...

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:47 pm UTC
by nathanael
screw all you book reading hippies. i'll watch the movie if it comes out.

in my head as i read this strip, leaonard from memento is walking down a street covered in crazed tattoos. he is being narrated by big marv from sin city over a montage on tom waits lyrics and spoken work fragments.

when you flip the menu over, he dye's his hair in the IHOP toilet with blueberry sauce, leaves a trail of whipped butter foot prints to throw the cops and shoots some guy who reminds him of someone he thinks he saw in a reflection in a dream. And then he gets that cold feeling in his stomach... just needs his over burnt percolated coffee is all.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:36 pm UTC
by OmegaLord
From what I've read a move about this book would be like doing LSD right next to a strobe light in a room full of Halloween masks.

IT WOULD MESS YOU UP.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:48 pm UTC
by Tteddo
Wonderful, just wonderful.
After reading the comic today, I went to 2 bookstores to buy HoL. I'd read it before, but I borrowed a friend's copy. Didn't drive me any crazier, but maybe this time it will.
Also, anybody read Dhalgren by Samuel Delany? Some things about it remind me of House of Leaves, but they're both such unique books, I don't know, maybe they're similar. Anyway, I really like both of them. Your mileage may vary.


I read Dahlgren a bunch of times, there is so much to it, and then it turns into one giant fugue on the bridge. I love that book.

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:55 pm UTC
by ces
Threb wrote:Yes. Also, don't be dissuaded by the chapter about echoes. (I found that one, aside from Johnny's footnote in it, really boring.) It starts to get really good (I think) when it starts furthering Navidson's story from the beginning.


The hell, Echoes (chapter 5, I still remember!) was my favorite chapter. Science and literature are not boring, especially when the concepts are so relevant to the actual story (the chapter serves as an excellent lead-up to the hallway scene, for one, and gives context to the significance of echoes in the novel). But that's just me :D

Re: "House of Pancakes" Discussion

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:01 pm UTC
by Threb
ces wrote:
Threb wrote:Yes. Also, don't be dissuaded by the chapter about echoes. (I found that one, aside from Johnny's footnote in it, really boring.) It starts to get really good (I think) when it starts furthering Navidson's story from the beginning.


The hell, Echoes (chapter 5, I still remember!) was my favorite chapter. Science and literature are not boring, especially when the concepts are so relevant to the actual story (the chapter serves as an excellent lead-up to the hallway scene, for one, and gives context to the significance of echoes in the novel). But that's just me :D


I liked the mythology bits, but the problem was I didn't really understand most of the echoes (physics and such wise) bits, and I didn't try very hard since half of the references in the book are fake and such. (so it could very well be totally incorrect)