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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Gizzmo0815 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:33 pm UTC

Historic memery
has been reborn
let's all hit Digg
and spread it like porn
Burma-Shave

At least it would be the first social site meme that would actually take some intelligent thought.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby sand » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:54 pm UTC

My connection took abnormally long to load the image (unless that was some how intended?). So all I saw was the alt-text in it's place: "TWITTER"

I was laughing just at that, but then the comic appeared and I had to find out what Burma-Shave was (being an Aussie).

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby psaux » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:19 pm UTC

An alternate solution on the whole ToolTip issue... (I didn't like having to hover over the comic ....)

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javascript:var c=0,imgs=document.images;for(c=0;c<imgs.length;c++){if (imgs[c].src.search(/^http:\/\/imgs.xkcd.com\/comics\/[^/]+$/)!=-1){var tdiv=document.createElement('div'),comic=imgs[c],sib=comic.nextSibling;tdiv.appendChild(document.createTextNode(comic.title));if (sib!=null){comic.parentNode.insertBefore(tdiv,sib);}else{comic.parentNode.appendChild(tdiv);}break;}};void(0);


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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Remolg » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:31 pm UTC

I'm yet another person who made an account just for this comic. I loved it. Most of my contemporaries didn't get it, but they're all unaware of anything that hasn't taken place in the past 20 years. But I'm fortunately steeped in pre-1960s pop culture.

Reading signs
Instead of driving
Will get you killed
As sure as *CRASH*
Burma Shave
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Anstice » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:39 pm UTC

I am too young and British to have understood the first time I saw it.
I think I am one of the few who got the twitter joke but not the Burma-Shave joke.
Very good comic today.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby raj4h » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:11 pm UTC

I think the whole alt text problem could be displaced entirely using this idea: http://www.walterzorn.com/tooltip/tooltip_e.htm
Not only does it work well, but it looks great and could add another layer of depth to the comic.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Dobblesworth » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:33 pm UTC

"... Burma-Shave?!"
*reads Wi'pedia*
"Oh, that billboard item Bill Bryson can fill 10 chapters on the US with... k. Meh."
I guess you have to take the rough with the smooth with xkcd.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby mlowry » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:46 pm UTC

There are several of the old Burma-Shave signs on the walls of Catfish Parlor, a restaurant in Austin, Texas. The joint is frequented by lots of techies. It’s not hard to guess why: they’ve got the best damned catfish in the city, and they’re located close to Apple, IBM, and many other high-tech firms. I make a point of eating there every time I’m back in Austin. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some folks recognize the meme from Catfish Parlor.

My favorite sign though is the one that reads “Free beer tomorrow.”

When you visit, go for the spicy catfish, and be sure to try the okra. If you order a root beer, they’ll serve it to you in a frosty mug and offer you free refills.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Mekmek » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:04 pm UTC

Cassidi3 wrote:amazing comic.
do you know what also fixes the tooltip problem?
opera :D


I know I'm not gonna make any friends with this, but IE7 anyone?
Ever since they've implemented tab-browsing, I don't see any reason not to use this browser.
Excuse me for being too blunt.

Anyways, to be on topic: I like the alt text. :lol:

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby psaux » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:24 pm UTC

Mekmek wrote:I know I'm not gonna make any friends with this, but IE7 anyone?
Ever since they've implemented tab-browsing, I don't see any reason not to use this browser.
Excuse me for being too blunt.


Non-compliant CSS rendering perhaps?

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:13 pm UTC

Mekmek wrote:I know I'm not gonna make any friends with this, but IE7 anyone?
Ever since they've implemented tab-browsing, I don't see any reason not to use this browser.
Excuse me for being too blunt.

Some of us like browsers that aren't as welcoming as your Mom.

Of which I mean IE7 is still a walking security hole.

And your Mom gets around. A lot
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Myanmar Shave

Postby Luxifer » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:40 pm UTC

I'm sure that someone has pointed out by now how out-of-date this is.
Burma is now known as Myanmar.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Threb » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:48 pm UTC

Speaking of interesting billboards, I saw a billboard, white letters on black background, formatted about like this:

SEX WITHOUT CONSENT

IS RAPE.


"IS RAPE" being readable from quite a distance. There was also a phone number in much smaller print -- some rape help line.

There were about three of these on the way home. I was super amused.

Note that the IS RAPE was about as wide and twice as tall as "SEX WITHOUT CONSENT". It stretched the entirety of the billboard.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby RSMaster » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:53 pm UTC

KTC wrote:Alt text: If long tooltips / cut off for you / then upgrade from / Firefox 2 / Burma Shave


Or get a LongTooltip Add-on.

And yes! I actually know what Burma-Shave is. And its billboards.
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby ellixan » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:17 pm UTC

Read the next lines,
I hope you don't,
The Game,
You just got pwnt.
Burma-Shave.

I made an image, but since everyone else did their text only I figured I'd conform.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Alder » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:46 pm UTC

Ah, first time in ages that I laughed out loud! That cracked me up...

Another Brit thanking Bill Bryson for their understanding of the BurmaShave reference. :)

Now I just need to go and look up twitter...
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Supakitsune » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:48 pm UTC

If you
Don't know
Who these comics
Are by
Browse some more
Or else you will die

Great job. :D

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby levicc00123 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:02 pm UTC

I finally got the reference after reading the wikipedia article.

I have a question, what the hell is twitter? I've heard of it but I don't understand what it is.
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Supakitsune » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:08 pm UTC

levicc00123 wrote:I have a question, what the hell is twitter? I've heard of it but I don't understand what it is.

From the front page of their website:
twitter.com wrote:Twitter is a service for friends, family, and co–workers to communicate and stay connected through the exchange of quick, frequent answers to one simple question: What are you doing?

It's like a standalone version of the "What are you doing?" box on Facebook or MySpace.

Edit: oops.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby MuToiD_MaN » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:36 pm UTC

iamacow wrote:I used to view source and then ctrl+F the alt text that I could read to get the full alt text.


I would just right-click the image, hit Properties, and use the mouse highlighting feature to scroll the text. These days I'm just using 3. By the way, is there a good reason why everyone isn't using 3 yet?

Also, Randall's alt text ain't got nothin' on Dinosaur Comics :)

Edit: ambiguity, readability
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby raisedbywolffs » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:54 pm UTC

The funny thing was IN THE SAME INSTANT I was reading this comic, I was upgrading to Firefox 3.


"You’ve been updated to the latest version of Firefox.

Thanks for your time! This update fixes a small problem with the previous release."

More like a massive problem.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Durinthal » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:14 pm UTC

I'm amused by how many young people got the Twitter part but not the Burma-Shave part, how many old people/non-Americans had it reversed, and how many others didn't get any of it. Good job to the 10% of readers that got both jokes. :D

I haven't seen a Burma-Shave sign in person, but I knew of them before this comic (same thing with Twitter: know what it is but don't use it).

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Isaac Hill » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:30 pm UTC

About 10 years ago, MAD Magazine reprinted their first 20 or so issues in a series of Super-Specials. There were little Burma-Shave mentions in the margins. Thanks to this comic, I finally get a joke that was retro a decade ago.
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby william » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:06 pm UTC

Randall Munroe
brought the memory back
but Slashdot comments
I'm ahead of the pack
Burma Shave

(I've seen Burma Shave rhymes on Slashdot comments.)
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby GameFreak » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:29 am UTC

Sirisian wrote:I've thought about this before. Isn't the author of this comic a programmer of sorts? A CSS tooltip would probably help make the alt text more browser friendly.

:?: you can use css in tooltips? :?:

EDIT:I can't come up with anything :roll:
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby AliasXIII » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:30 am UTC

Am I the only one who first heard of Burma Shave ads from the Tom Waits song?
Good song. Great comic.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby amorya » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:32 am UTC

Surgery wrote:huh, firefox says "memes" isn't a word, and dictionary.com agrees. What's the correct plural of meme? Which firefox also says isn't a word, but here dictionary.com disagrees.


OED says memes, in the quote "On all other dimensional planes, memes could only exist as parasites, dwelling in the host brains or mental processes of physical beings".

It also gives this quote by Dawkins who invented the word:

"The new soup is the soup of human culture. We need a name for the new replicator, a noun which conveys the idea of a unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation. ‘Mimeme’ comes from a suitable Greek root, but I want a monosyllable that sounds a bit like ‘gene’. I hope my classicist friends will forgive me if I abbreviate mimeme to meme... It should be pronounced to rhyme with ‘cream’. Examples of memes are tunes, ideas, catch-phrases, clothes fashions, ways of making pots or of building arches."

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Cassidi3 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:52 am UTC

Mekmek wrote:
I know I'm not gonna make any friends with this, but IE7 anyone?
Ever since they've implemented tab-browsing, I don't see any reason not to use this browser.
Excuse me for being too blunt.

Anyways, to be on topic: I like the alt text. :lol:


Because I like browsers that work.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Delass » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:43 am UTC

I just thought of an awesome way to ask someone to prom or homecoming...
:D

Sandy,
go to homecoming
with me.
I'm not unbecoming.
Please?
Burma Shave


Sandy,
go to Prom
or a formal lan party
with me.
Salaam.
Burma Shave

Sandy,
go to the dance
with me
and I promise
much romance.
Burma Shave

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby ahecht » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:24 am UTC

Well done Randall, well done! This is the first comic I've actually laughed out loud to in a while, and I laughed out loud again on the tooltip as well (if only there were some sort of internet abbreviation for laugh out loud...)

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:51 am UTC

Mekmek wrote:
Cassidi3 wrote:amazing comic.
do you know what also fixes the tooltip problem?
opera :D


I know I'm not gonna make any friends with this, but IE7 anyone?
Ever since they've implemented tab-browsing, I don't see any reason not to use this browser.
Excuse me for being too blunt.

Anyways, to be on topic: I like the alt text. :lol:

Firefox has tab browsing too.
You can also put it in your navigation bar
it also has zoom, and speed, and security.

I see no reason not to use Firefox.
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Pyleic » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:10 am UTC

I know what Burma Shave is, but my more-than-slightly abused brain interpreted the "beep beep" as a blues-style harmonica riff coming from a cell-phone until the last panel for the second time (when I finally got it). I liked it better that way, honestly!

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Smith725 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:37 am UTC

If Firefox 2
You would retain
Then Long Titles
You must obtain
Burma Shave

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Ezzthetic » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:00 am UTC

Being from the Land of Aus, I shouldn't have gotten the Burma Shave reference, since I don't think it was ever marketed here.

However, I read Teach Yourself Java 2 in 21 Days a few years ago, and one of the exercises was to write an applet that showed a Burma Shave poem in sequential slides. So I figured out it must have been an old advertising campaign just from that.

I didn't get the Interenet cartoon, though. I knew the saying, but wasn't aware it originated in a New Yorker cartoon.

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby highonv8splash » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:37 am UTC

I enjoyed the tooltip...tip :-)

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby fiveofoh » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:44 am UTC

Life outside the 'net
Is not just tales of lore
It's full of fun and wonder
Yet I'm here at ten to four
Marveling at the unfamiliarity with
Burma-shave
:(
The general ignorance of Burma-Shave makes me sad. I'm only 20, for heaven's sake, and I'm quite familiar with it (read a book of a bunch of them a while back, and the history of it and such, as well as just *knowing* it).
That may have something to do with being from a small town. But really...there is life outside the internet. *hurmph*
Now I'm going to go to sleep, like I should have four hours ago.

Curse you, StumbleUpon, Facebook, and webcomics!
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby Flewellyn » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:51 am UTC

psaux wrote:An alternate solution on the whole ToolTip issue... (I didn't like having to hover over the comic ....)

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javascript:var c=0,imgs=document.images;for(c=0;c<imgs.length;c++){if (imgs[c].src.search(/^http:\/\/imgs.xkcd.com\/comics\/[^/]+$/)!=-1){var tdiv=document.createElement('div'),comic=imgs[c],sib=comic.nextSibling;tdiv.appendChild(document.createTextNode(comic.title));if (sib!=null){comic.parentNode.insertBefore(tdiv,sib);}else{comic.parentNode.appendChild(tdiv);}break;}};void(0);


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Now that...that is damn clever.

I had to put it into Emacs and properly space and indent it in order to make sense of it, but...very neat little trick.

I wonder how it could be generalized into a "show image titles under images" button...

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby fiveofoh » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:54 am UTC

Flewellyn wrote:Now that...that is damn clever.
...
I wonder how it could be generalized into a "show image titles under images" button...

Psh, I read and understood that with my eyes closed, and my hands behind my back!
I would make a button version, but I need sleeeeeep...

Edit: Curse you! Never challenge an engineer, especially when he should have been sleeping half an hour ago and has to get up in 3 hours...
Nevertheless, I present you the "Add a title text button to everything" script:

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javascript:var showalt=false;var dobr=true;var showtext=function(e){var curspan=document.getElementById(this.id + '__span');if(curspan.style.display=='none'){curspan.style.display='inline';this.value='Hide TT';}else{curspan.style.display='none';this.value='Show TT'}return false;};var c=0;imgs=document.images;for(c=0;c<imgs.length;c++){comic=imgs[c];if(showalt){if(!comic.title){comic.title=comic.alt;}}if(comic.title){var tdiv=document.createElement('div');var textspan=document.createElement('span');textspan.innerHTML=comic.title + (dobr?'<br/>':'');textspan.style.display='none';textspan.id='jstitletext__' + c + '__span';var textbtn=document.createElement('input');textbtn.type='button';textbtn.id='jstitletext__' + c;textbtn.onclick=showtext;textbtn.value='Show TT';if (textbtn.captureEvents){textbtn.captureEvents(Event.CLICK)};sib=comic.nextSibling;tdiv.appendChild(textspan);tdiv.appendChild(textbtn);if (sib!=null){comic.parentNode.insertBefore(tdiv,sib);}else{comic.parentNode.appendChild(tdiv);}}};void(0);

Paste that into your little bookmarklet, and voila! Clicking it will add a "Show TT" button to every image that has it (or alt text, if you specify, see below). Magical! :D
I'll have you know, I even edited it all inline. There's even a switch to include alt text as well - just change "showalt=false" to "showalt=true" - and to add line breaks or not (change "dobr" to true/false). Yes, I could prompts for these, but that would be a) obnoxious IMHO and b) just plain silly.
It's been tested in FF3, Flock (FF2?), and Opera 8 cause that's what I have. IE under WINE seems to barf...I don't know if it'll work there, and I'm not going to boot into Windows to find out. Also, I'm not responsible for any horrible mangling of pages caused by adding buttons all over the place.

Enjoy, and now I'm (finally!) off to bed. :?

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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby netcrusher88 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:32 pm UTC

I actually know where one of these signs used to be, in Brier, Washington. The owner of the property would switch it out every few months. I don't think they have them there any more though.

I want a poster of this comic.
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Re: "Twitter" Discussion

Postby dgc » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:57 pm UTC

My whiteboard has, for the past few weeks, had a fresh "best of" Burma Shave jingle on it every day. Quite a few folks liked them. Then I wrote a couple brand-new, custom ones for my new employer.

So when this comic appeared, you can bet that someone drew my attention to it. (A good thing, too, because I'd fallen behind on reading xkcd.) I think I should have one T-shirt with Burma(Twitter)Shave and another with "someone is wrong on the Internet".


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