0167: "Nihilism"

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0167: "Nihilism"

Postby Shoofle » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:08 am UTC

This just about perfectly embodies my philosophy.

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Postby Heirtopendragon » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:54 am UTC

Me I'm more an absurdist

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Postby mezz » Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:07 am UTC

Every single comic, I think to myself, "Hey, this guy is just like me except he can express his feelings in stick figure form!"
It's great! And eerie.

We all die, so what should we do? I wan't to effect every single person in a positive way and have a good time before I am gone.
Who doesn't? So why is the failure rate so high?

But the real question is: Am I in one of the correct parallel universes where it is even possible for me to do that? :wink:

I'm not sure what the rules are, so if this is too big a tangent just ignore it :D

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Postby Gelsamel » Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:31 am UTC

Hehehe Squirells!

But I'll stick to my cup of Ignosticism, 'kthx'.

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Postby EM-002.rv-L "Tem Cu » Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:24 am UTC

I find it funny that the Nihilism entry in Wikipedia has a "unverified/check for inaccuracies" notice at the top. And that the Existentialism entry has a "cleanup" notice...

That aside, from my overly limited views of philosophical trains of thought, I can only assume that this comic pits Nihilism against Existentialism. Unless my subjective view of cosmically pointless schools of thought are incorrect...
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Postby alextp » Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:16 am UTC

I keep trying to explain this to my friends, and failing. Maybe I should just show them the comic.

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Postby Frankeinstein » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:15 pm UTC

The comic reminds me of what my imaginary philosophy teacher used to say.

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Postby TheReverend » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:25 pm UTC

Frankeinstein wrote:The comic reminds me of what my imaginary philosophy teacher used to say.


It reminds me of the scene in I Heart Huckabees where Dustin Hoffman tells Jason Schwartzman to climb a tree and have good thoughts. I guess whenever people put philosophy and trees together, my brain will immediately jump to this movie. Not that it's bad.

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Postby tarun » Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:06 pm UTC

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Postby Shoofle » Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:33 pm UTC

This comic is interesting because it describes the philosophy I only recently thought up and decided to abide by. Now I can express it! Life has no purpose, consciousness doesn't exist, life is an adventure!

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Postby jeffff » Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:54 pm UTC

Points are pointless.

Thinking about points and pointlessness for too long can really really be a drag.

Climbing trees, finding squirrels, standing on my chair, absurd humor, deeply identifying over and over with some guy's stick figure web comic, or any kind of distraction that satisfies even the most minor of curiosities I've ever had helps me cope with the pointlessness. I'm finding that properly distracting myself from my "existential blues" has become a central "point" to living.

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Postby Peshmerga » Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:29 pm UTC

I try to fill short-term goals as effeciently as possible. That's how I live my life, usually.

At the moment, I'm looking for a girl. Trying to be a better conversationist, or simply a better way to engage myself with the opposite sex. I'm in High School, Senior year, so meeting deadlines usually happens the night before. Again, I'm a horrible long-term thinker, which is why (I suspicion, anywho) I'm wretched at RTS games but brilliant with FPS...

My philosophy on life is just... do what my body wants and try to understand as many things as possible, or whats necessary to fulfill a goal.

On a side note, I believe that the greatest way to fulfill goals is through doing something you fear the most. Taking life as it comes and taking the easiest path is one of the things I've done all my life, but I've come to realize that my blight is laziness and cowardice. I plan on doing something crazy, like tell the girl (who gives me rides to school) that I once had a crazy crush on her. Kind of like climbing a tree and chasing squirrels, I suppose.
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Postby rachel » Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:07 pm UTC

I am a "fly by the seat of my pants" type gal. I am mostly concerned with instantaneous gratification more than anything else and more often than not I don't think things through. I spend time and money on frivolous things and I love doing things like sending people I don't know things in the mail. I set goals and don't reach them, but it doesn't bother me much. If anything I am existential, but I don't give it too much thought.

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Postby fjafjan » Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:29 pm UTC

Eh I try to be more sporadic but then i usualy fail, or too often in my mind anyway, but being existensialistic and depressed is easy, being cheery and happy is hard.

I am too undecided on this issue to coherantly voice my opinion :roll:
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Postby Umlaut » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:16 pm UTC

It's pretty hard for me to be unhappy actually.

Anyways, philosophy is for living, not for giving up or for dieing.

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Postby zombiereagan » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:05 am UTC

Nihilism always brings me back to The Big Lebowski.

Walter Sobchak: Nihilists! F*** me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Donny: Are these the Nazis, Walter?
Walter Sobchak: No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of.

Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter?
Walter Sobchak: No, Donny. These men are cowards.
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Postby davean » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:50 am UTC

Umlaut wrote:Anyways, philosophy is for living, not for giving up or for dieing.


I fail to see how there is any reason to believe that.

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Postby Belial » Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:39 am UTC

because philosophies "for giving up or dying" select themselves out of the population, because the people who would advocate them have all given up or died?

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Postby Frankeinstein » Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:35 am UTC

Philosophy is great, you can have everything, all the contradictions and still pretend it's science and have a moustache.

It's funny how some ideas kind of use the same reasons for different conclusions. Like "We're all going to die anyway, there is no meaning" vs. "The only thing that gives us meaning in this insane world is dying".

With philosophy you don't find proof, you find more things to doubt. Without philosophy our lives would be dull and relatively meaningless, with philosophy our lives are miserable and absolutely meaningless. It's the mother of all science!

And also, the moustache: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nietzsche187a.jpg

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Postby SpitValve » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:14 am UTC

I don't like philosophy... it makes the world miserable.

It's what happens when you self-reflect. All you find is yourself self-reflecting, which is not particulaly interesting.

When we look outside we see that the world is a fascinating and incredible place! The more I study physics the more I see that...

Physics = study (and exploration) of reality = awesome.
Philosophy = miserable

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Postby wisnij » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:20 am UTC

Frankeinstein wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nietzsche187a.jpg

YES.
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Postby GusPatsy » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:54 am UTC

I like to think of it as subjectivism, not because it's the opposite of Rand's Objectivism (which it isn't), but because it focuses on how much the universe means to you, rather than how little you mean to it.

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Postby GusPatsy » Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:57 am UTC

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Postby James » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:42 am UTC

My take on the whole thing is that this simply embodies the process of growing up - you may want to sit and talk about theoretics and points of contention or agreement forever, but in the end, all that's really left to you is to go on living life and finding out what's next with wide-eyed appreciation for whatever's out there.

It also somewhat embodies the working relationship I - and I believe I can speak for Randy and others - have come to with those who are caught up in idle speculation, of the sort I'm doing presently.

To distill my point further, let's just all live life with wide-eyed wonder, okay guys?
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Postby James » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:44 am UTC

davean wrote:
Umlaut wrote:Anyways, philosophy is for living, not for giving up or for dieing.


I fail to see how there is any reason to believe that.


Agreed. But I won't specify.
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Postby Frankeinstein » Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:24 pm UTC

James wrote:To distill my point further, let's just all live life with wide-eyed wonder, okay guys?

Wow! That's so interesting.

...

What about the blind people though?

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Postby davean » Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:19 pm UTC

Frankeinstein wrote:
James wrote:To distill my point further, let's just all live life with wide-eyed wonder, okay guys?

Wow! That's so interesting.

...

What about the blind people though?


Most of them can still blink.

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Postby Cavendish » Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:06 pm UTC

I like the notion of getting this comic on a T-shirt.

And, to be honest, as I see it, both of the characters are nihilists.

But, mostly, I posted because I want this comic on a T-shirt.

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Postby miss kyri » Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:29 am UTC

its cute, its funny, it makes me feel good.

in some ways its overdone, but.... squirrels!

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Postby myoumyouou » Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:34 am UTC

this comic is the perfect embodiment of what life should be, an adventure, to find squirrels. or other furry creatures.
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Postby Frankeinstein » Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:13 am UTC

The comic is about two nihilists. The other one has all the acid.

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Postby Epoch » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:44 am UTC

Frankeinstein wrote:The comic is about two nihilists. The other one has all the acid.


I see it as an example of a true* Nihilist, and a weepy emo-goth kid Nihilist.

they both essentially view the world as ultimately meaningless.

true nihilist decides that a meaningless world can still be fun and then makes his meaning conciously...

weepy emo stands there like an ass trying to continue the pointless train of thought, as if some magical reality fairy will appear and give his life meaning.





* as much as anyone really can be a "true" Nihilist.
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Postby Shoofle » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:06 am UTC

Epoch wrote:
Frankeinstein wrote:The comic is about two nihilists. The other one has all the acid.


I see it as an example of a true* Nihilist, and a weepy emo-goth kid Nihilist.

they both essentially view the world as ultimately meaningless.

true nihilist decides that a meaningless world can still be fun and then makes his meaning conciously...

weepy emo stands there like an ass trying to continue the pointless train of thought, as if some magical reality fairy will appear and give his life meaning.
* as much as anyone really can be a "true" Nihilist.

The weepy gothmo isn't waiting for a fairy to give his life meaning, he is scared of that. He is hoping the world stays meaningless so he can get attention by complaining. Also, he might just be thinking out loud and refusing to take joy in life - He need not be weepy or gothmo.

The other one I wouldn't say is a true nihilist - he just has a healthy nihilism-based philosophy. At least, I think it's healthy.

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Postby no-genius » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:15 am UTC

Shoofle wrote:
Epoch wrote:
Frankeinstein wrote:The comic is about two nihilists. The other one has all the acid.


I see it as an example of a true* Nihilist, and a weepy emo-goth kid Nihilist.

they both essentially view the world as ultimately meaningless.

true nihilist decides that a meaningless world can still be fun and then makes his meaning conciously...

weepy emo stands there like an ass trying to continue the pointless train of thought, as if some magical reality fairy will appear and give his life meaning.
* as much as anyone really can be a "true" Nihilist.

The weepy gothmo isn't waiting for a fairy to give his life meaning, he is scared of that. He is hoping the world stays meaningless so he can get attention by complaining. Also, he might just be thinking out loud and refusing to take joy in life - He need not be weepy or gothmo.

The other one I wouldn't say is a true nihilist - he just has a healthy nihilism-based philosophy. At least, I think it's healthy.


Also, if he is the weepy emo-goth kid from Family Brat Camp*, he is wearing an orange hoodie and threatening to destroy xkcd's drawing materials. Hahahahaha

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Postby Frankeinstein » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:51 am UTC

Shoofle wrote:The other one I wouldn't say is a true nihilist - he just has a healthy nihilism-based philosophy.

The other is departing from nihilism and going towards adventurous absurdism. "Life has no meaning and as a rational being I don't know what the hell I should do so I might as well do what I've allways wanted."

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Postby Epoch » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:41 pm UTC

Frankeinstein wrote:
Shoofle wrote:The other one I wouldn't say is a true nihilist - he just has a healthy nihilism-based philosophy.

The other is departing from nihilism and going towards adventurous absurdism. "Life has no meaning and as a rational being I don't know what the hell I should do so I might as well do what I've allways wanted."


that makes a bit more sense.

I can relate to adventurous absurdism! 8)
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Postby koreanforrabbit » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:34 pm UTC

I posted that comic (with appropriate credit given, of course) on my blog, and one of my friends responded with this:

"A Think Tank for the Philosophical Advisement of the Universe needs to be assembled, and Randall Munroe definitely should be invited to take part."

I concur.

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Postby Verysillyman » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:34 pm UTC

Not really related to the comic, but a friend of mine (a couple of friends of mine [that is to say, more than one, not that they are going out with each other] actually) insist on pronouncing nihilist/nihilism with a soft 'i' in the first syllable, to rhyme with 'nickle'. Just thought you'd like to know.

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Postby Frankeinstein » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:08 pm UTC

Reminds me of this:

One day, I came upon a man urinating in a bus station. When I
confronted him about his action, he turned to me, without stopping, and said:

"Keep in mind that since the universe is in constant flux, nothing that occurs one moment has any relevance to anything else. Everything you believe, feel or think is based on the false assumption that truth exists. Thus you are free to do any action which brings you pleasure. That humanity feels constrained by morals is one of the funniest jokes I've ever heard."

So I beat the shit out of him and took his wallet.

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Postby Verysillyman » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:46 am UTC

hahahahah
He was kinda asking for it... I had a similar experience, minus the urinating and philosophy. A guy noted how tall i was, and that I must be pretty good in a fight. Then challenged me to a streetfight for my wallet. I asked how much was in his wallet, then said it wasn't enough winnings to be worth it, so he let me go. I take this as a victory for me looking like i could kick your arse in a fight.


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