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Postby Steve » Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:52 am UTC

Fun game to play: Say to yourself (or out loud) "If I am able to time travel in the future, I will visit myself now"


If it became possible to timetravel I would much rather travel back and scare myself while sleeping or something. Also that line just made me reopen the plethora of time travel paradoxs (how do you make paradox plural?) in my mind.

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Postby OmenPigeon » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:38 am UTC

Steve wrote:(how do you make paradox plural?)


Paradoxes. Or, if you're feeling ironically Germanic, paradoxen.
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Postby Phy » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:32 am UTC

Couldn't it be paradoces?

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Postby OmenPigeon » Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:56 am UTC

I can't think of any -ox words pluralized to -ces. The online version of the OED doesn't seem to list plural forms with its entries, nor does the American Heritage. Do you have any examples I'm not aware of?
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Postby warriorness » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:06 am UTC

That would only be if it were originally "paradix" (see also: matrix).

If I could time travel, I would never try surprising myself, especially while myself is asleep. Future Me might get killed, and that would be bad.
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Postby Hawknc » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:42 am UTC

Haha, man, this comic TOTALLY describes me.



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Postby screech » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:18 am UTC

Well, this is now my new favorite comic, mainly because I could really see it happening.

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Postby gmalivuk » Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:29 pm UTC

Steve wrote:(how do you make paradox plural?).


To follow the general English rule, words ending in x get pluralized by adding es and pronouncing the e. (This is because the last sound in such words is s, and so pluralizing without writing and pronouncing the e would be difficult to recognize. Same goes for when the last sound is z, sh, or zh.

Exceptions exist, of course, in some borrowed words. But even "matrix" and "index" and the like only tend to retain their original plural forms in the fields where they are most commonly used.

The general trend in any language is for the most common words to retain irregularities (in spelling, grammar, and pronunciation) while the less common ones end up following the usual rules for the rest of the language. (There's a reason that "be" is irregular in every natural language.)
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Postby warriorness » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:06 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:The general trend in any language is for the most common words to retain irregularities (in spelling, grammar, and pronunciation) while the less common ones end up following the usual rules for the rest of the language. (There's a reason that "be" is irregular in every natural language.)


Why is that?

Same with "to go", as far as I know. (Note: only tested in two languages)
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Postby gmalivuk » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:26 am UTC

warriorness wrote:Why is that?

Same with "to go", as far as I know. (Note: only tested in two languages)


Because "be" is probably the most commonly used verb, and thus the most resistent to change. "Go" is right up there as well, but it's often not "as irregular". In English, while they're not the usual +s and +ed rules, we still have two present forms (go and goes) and one past (went). Be, on the other hand, is the only one with three present (am is are) and two past (was were).

Also, I only listed "be" because I read somewhere that Turkish only has one irregular verb, and it's that one instead of "go".
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Postby SpitValve » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:30 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:(There's a reason that "be" is irregular in every natural language.)


It seems pretty regular in Thai (from the little I've picked up), but that's because they hardly ever use it... you just say "I handsome". Then they laugh at you because it's an immodest thing to say and you probably pronounced it wrong anyway.

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Postby Schmorgluck » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:11 am UTC

warriorness wrote:Same with "to go", as far as I know. (Note: only tested in two languages)

Well, it's pretty irregular in French : three different radicals, "all-", "ir-" and "v-", depending of person and tense. I should look for their origins, I only know of one of them, "ir-", coming from Latin.
It's also irregular in Breton, if I'm not mistaken.
However, it's remarkably regular in German. Then again, nearly everything is regular in German, it's almost creepy.
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Postby gmalivuk » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:38 pm UTC

Schmorgluck wrote:Then again, nearly everything is regular in German, it's almost creepy.


Nah, there's nothing really creepy about artificially standardized languages.
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Postby AdamZ » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:45 pm UTC

Can't believe nobody's posted this yet. Cory won the EFF's pioneer award, and at the ceremony a few days ago, they gave him...

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Postby LE4dGOLEM » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:04 am UTC

Ox-->oxen
Paradox-->Paradoxen

Either that or it should be an irregular noun, where the plural is completely different from the singular.
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Postby gmalivuk » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:15 pm UTC

LE4dGOLEM wrote:Ox-->oxen
Paradox-->Paradoxen

Either that or it should be an irregular noun, where the plural is completely different from the singular.


box-->boxes
fox-->foxes
paradox-->paradoxes
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Postby Jesse » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:20 pm UTC

AdamZ, it was posted in the News/Blag that Randy is doing.

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Postby mikekearn » Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:21 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
LE4dGOLEM wrote:Ox-->oxen
Paradox-->Paradoxen

Either that or it should be an irregular noun, where the plural is completely different from the singular.


box-->boxes
fox-->foxes
paradox-->paradoxes


Screw that, paradoxen sounds and looks so much cooler. I'm using that from now on.
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Postby Ronfar » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:45 pm UTC

I suspect that a lot of the famous homes of discussion of the past have also been highly romanticized and exaggerated. They, too, may have been something like this.
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Postby LE4dGOLEM » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:48 pm UTC

Ronfar wrote:I suspect that a lot of the famous homes of discussion of the past have also been highly romanticized and exaggerated. They, too, may have been something like this.


The guy that does that comic wrote:The Roman Forum was the administrative, commercial, and religious centre of ancient Rome. As the centre of the greatest empire of the day, it was a stronghold of collected wisdom, intelligent discussion, and skilled rhetoric by the greatest masters of language and thought.

An Internet forum has none of these features.
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Postby Akira » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:01 am UTC

OmenPigeon wrote:
Steve wrote:(how do you make paradox plural?)


Paradoxes. Or, if you're feeling ironically Germanic, paradoxen.


I thought paradoxen were a couple of dogs?

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Postby OmenPigeon » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:07 am UTC

Akira wrote:I thought paradoxen were a couple of dogs?


Only for those foolish enough to bet on a race between Zeno's pair o' ducks.
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Postby Akira » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:14 pm UTC

Oky, just as long as I'm not crazy.
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Postby Ronfar » Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:03 pm UTC

LE4dGOLEM wrote:
Ronfar wrote:I suspect that a lot of the famous homes of discussion of the past have also been highly romanticized and exaggerated. They, too, may have been something like this.


The guy that does that comic wrote:The Roman Forum was the administrative, commercial, and religious centre of ancient Rome. As the centre of the greatest empire of the day, it was a stronghold of collected wisdom, intelligent discussion, and skilled rhetoric by the greatest masters of language and thought.


I suspect that it had its share of complete idiots as well. Everywhere you go, you will find idiots, and the past is no exception.
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Postby OmenPigeon » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:01 am UTC

Ronfar wrote:I suspect that it had its share of complete idiots as well. Everywhere you go, you will find idiots, and the past is no exception.


Every once in a while in high school Latin we'd read some graffiti they got off the walls at Pompeii or someplace. It was almost exactly the same as modern graffiti. It ranged from "Tertius wuz here" to "Titus is a dick, don't vote for him" to "Gnaeus is dreeaamy, I wish he wasn't a gladiator cuz my dad won't let me date slaves." They misspelled stuff and used the wrong cases and everything.
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Postby LE4dGOLEM » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:42 am UTC

OmenPigeon wrote:
Ronfar wrote:I suspect that it had its share of complete idiots as well. Everywhere you go, you will find idiots, and the past is no exception.


Every once in a while in high school Latin we'd read some graffiti they got off the walls at Pompeii or someplace. It was almost exactly the same as modern graffiti. It ranged from "Tertius wuz here" to "Titus is a dick, don't vote for him" to "Gnaeus is dreeaamy, I wish he wasn't a gladiator cuz my dad won't let me date slaves." They misspelled stuff and used the wrong cases and everything.


Steal a textbook, take it to a scanner, scan it in, post it here.... or it didn't happen. That's just too awesome to be real.
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Postby OmenPigeon » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:30 pm UTC

I don't have access to my high school texts anymore, they're about a state and a half away. I'm not even sure what the book was called*. It might not have been from the book anyway, my Latin teachers were pretty awesome.

From the wikipedia article on graffiti: "an illustration of a phallus was accompanied by the text, mansueta tene: 'Handle with care'". Also, "the gladiatorial academy at CIL IV, 4397 contained graffiti left by the gladiator Celadus Crescens (Suspirium puellarum Celadus thraex: 'Celadus the Thracian makes the girls sigh.')"

(*If anyone else remembers their introductory Latin really well, the first story began with "puella in pictura est", and then there were a bunch of stories about this family, and their cart fell in a ditch on the way to Rome. It was a pretty popular book, someone else must have used it.)
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Postby bigglesworth » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:39 am UTC

Did it have Caicilius? In Pompeii there is always a steady stream of english people going to the house, and baffled continental types. :D

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Postby LE4dGOLEM » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:00 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:Did it have Caicilius? In Pompeii there is always a steady stream of english people going to the house, and baffled continental types. :D


Caecillius the banker?
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Postby toysbfun » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:42 pm UTC

What happened in the future that would lead to proto-Internet fairs? Has technology advanced to the point where web browsers are like the Holodeck? Or did we lose Net Neutrality and everyone went to the park to remember the good old days?

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Postby lysandra » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:34 am UTC

I just picked up http://blagofaire.com I didn't think it would be available. Well, it's mine now! Muahahahaha!

/me hops on an airship and putters away


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