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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby drazen » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:42 am UTC

Here's the rule set I generally follow:

(1) Try to avoid emoticons in parentheses as much as possible.

(2) If you can't avoid them, but you're using something that is likely to convert it into an image, like Gmail chat, use a space between the emoticon and the closing parenthesis. Ex: (Easy enough 8v) )

(3) If you do not think the image will be converted, stick to the anime smile. Ending space optional, but recommended. Ex: (Kawaii! ^_^ )

(4) If these fail, use math-brackets, suggested upthread. Ending space strongly recommended. Ex: [ This is slightly less horrible 8v) ]

(5) If you absolutely must use an emoticon in parentheses and you don't like any of rules 1-4, throw in a closing ellipsis or two. Not recommended, but I ran out of ideas. Ex: (I really can't find a good way to do this 8v) ...)

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby anarko » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:48 am UTC

This is a problem. A good answer is not to never use parentheses... On my first encounter with the issue, I must admit I was enough of a smartass to merge the smiley into the closeparen. But I soon found this suboptimal as it plants a sliver of doubt in the reader's mind of whether or not the parenthesis is closed.

In some specific cases when a standard is applied it goes against its own intention of unambiguity or, as in this case, entails bad aesthetics or confusion. Nevertheless, if people are - or shall ever become - sufficiently standards aware, they will accept ":))" as the most logical, as it follows the general rule of appending each "character" to the sentence, no matter what went before (":)" being one character, limited by the fact that no standard smiley exists with two round brackets as a mouth ;)).

My own method of choice, though, has become ":])" as it relates to the idea of changing brackets when nesting parentheses besides usually looking quite allright. (This of course only concerns media without automatic conversion into images.) I am aware that a square-bracket smiley has a slightly different meaning but usually not too different, in case the reader does not spot the concept. I suppose a square-bracket smiley would look like this inside a parenthesis: :}) - perceiving this detail, though, would probably require a pathologically deductive mind.

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Melhelix » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:01 am UTC

Hmmm... I tend to solve this problem with asterisks. Thus you might have something like this; What a beautiful day (not a dark and dreary night *grin*). Then again, this probably just comes from too many muds, heh.

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Platypodes » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:16 am UTC

anarko wrote:[snip]
I am aware that a square-bracket smiley has a slightly different meaning but usually not too different, in case the reader does not spot the concept.
[snip]
What is the slightly-different meaning of a square-bracket smiley? I've never been sure what those were about... They look a bit like frog mouths to me.
Melhelix wrote:Hmmm... I tend to solve this problem with asterisks. Thus you might have something like this; What a beautiful day (not a dark and dreary night *grin*). Then again, this probably just comes from too many muds, heh.
I do that pretty often too.
Gero wrote:I'm thinking () parentheses are evol! Don't use them for anything but emoticons. If you find you're making a sentence and you're interrupting yourself, finish the sentence and get back to the second thought when you're done. I understand people used to need parentheses and the ability to break words in half for pagination back in the day they were doing it all by hand. Maybe you're writing with your quail pen, using your best ink, on some priceless parchment. You don't want to make mistakes, so if you haven't formulated a sentence well but you've already started writing it when you realise that, you need parentheses. Or maybe you come to the end of the page and the word isn't done. Fine, break it across to the next line. But now you're typing on a pc and everything you type isn't written in stone any more. If you want to come back later and improve your sentence, feel free. If you want to interrupt yourself, do so. But please come back afterwards and rethink the build and do better. The pc gives you that chance, please use it and you'll never need the parentheses again. And then you'll have all the emiticons your heart desires without any parentheses problems. No double chin ever!

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby brunswikstu » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:21 am UTC

good comic Randall, as always.

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby dennisw » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:23 am UTC

BigglesPiP wrote: :\)

Frosty the Snowman carrot-nose smiley.

anarko wrote: :})

Salvidor Dali mustachioed smiley.
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby TjOeNeR » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:06 pm UTC

Get out of my head!!!

I use the first version by the way, just by choice (and it saves a character :)).

And it looks crappy in forums, so in forums i'll use (:))

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby scikidus » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:24 pm UTC

Whoever brought up the Bill Gates talk is probably right: I'm sure that's where this comic's inspiration lies.

Personally, I'd go with something like the second one. I prefer :D over :) , so I'd write:

...Linux (or BSD :D)...

Which is autmoatically turned into (on these fora, at any rate):

...Linux (or BSD :D)...
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby zshuford » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:43 pm UTC

This is a huge problem for roleplayers in MMOs, where the convention is to use double parentheses to designate out of character speak. For instance, in City of Heroes, you might see me say

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Johnny Pyre: I'd love to help you foil Nemesis's latest plot, but I've got a meeting with my agent.  We're having a contract dispute over the new Johnny Pyre Adventure toys.   <-- This was all said in character.
Johnny Pyre: ((Sorry guys, it's getting too late over here on the east coast.  I'll catch you tomorrow, but feel free to finish the mission without me)).  <-- This is all out of character.


So, the question became how do you do smilies with the parentheses, since you so often are talking out of character. My solution was the space. For instance,

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Johnny Pyre: ((I need to get a new video card.  The graphics are so bad, I think Johnny must be on an acid trip. :) )).


I saw others that tried to solve it by using the "big D" smiley face, though.

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Iceborne:  ((You're still playing this game with a 125MB video card?  Jesus, do you hunt your food with pointy sticks too?  :D))


There was no good solution, though.

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby EmbersAglow » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:36 pm UTC

I dunno, the aforementioned "big-D smiley face always works for me. (like this :D) or (this ;D). A well established difference between the end of the smiley and the end of the parenthetical phrase is made by this (or at least it is for me.) I will also use ^.^ and =], the latter of which has it's own advantages for being shift-free!

But what about ending sentances with emoticons? Do they go before or after the punctuation? I usually go with after, but that can create confusion if the emoticon belongs at the end of the previous sentance or at the beginning of the next one. Now I'm curious to see the general consensus.

Also, I think it this actually happened the TEDers would actually debate it out! xD I mean, with all the awesome geeks there, it's inevitable. long live TED!

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Beorn » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:37 pm UTC

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Felstaff » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:39 pm UTC

Relevancy! Panel Five:

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'It entirely divorces a smiley from its own visual iconography'. Oh, Ryan - you card!
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Celtic Minstrel » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:49 pm UTC

For the record, I think the second option is better. Especially when it's going to be turned into an image.

sadleric wrote:Failure. Only with formal writing should you bother with parenthetical statements. Only with informal writing would you use smiley faces. NEVER should the need for both arise.
Wrong. I use parentheses quite frequently.

Random832 wrote:
dennisw wrote:Similarly, I like how title text pretty much forces you to nest single quotes. I suppose you could fake it with doubled single quotes like so:

The IAU ban came after the ''redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom'' incident.


gah... &quot;!

as in <img alt="TED Talk" title="The IAU ban came after the &quot;redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom&quot; incident. (alt: TED Talk)" src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ted_talk.png" />
I was going to say, this, but someone beat me to it.

There's always a way to escape inner quotes when they are required.

william wrote:
mystichobo wrote:I have problems with both methods as they imply that the "smiley" had a double chin.

Therefor I prefer to put my emoticons outside the brackets

I actually know somebody who does all of his smilies with double parens: i.e. =)) (although with : instead of = but if I used : you wouldn't be able to see the smilie)
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Monika » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:08 pm UTC

I have been wondering about that for 10 years. In the beginning I used the smiley as a closing bracket: (blabla :-) . But it has two disadvantages, it's not quite clear if this smiley is meant to be a closing bracket at the same time, and it doesn't work at all when the smiley is turned into graphics ... and since today even some e-mail programs turn :-) etc. into graphics, this is not really an option in most settings. Now I use a closing bracket with a space before it: (blabla :-) ). It looks a little weird, there shouldn't be a space before the closing bracket ... but in the setting where I started to use it, ":-))" was a common smiley meaning not quite the same as ":-)". And also the graphical smiley with a ) right next to it may look weird (depending on the forum, IM client or whatever).

Currently I am wondering whether to put smileys before or after the period, question or exclamation mark, or whether I let the smiley be the period in some cases. And what about smileys before and after commas? I feel the smiley belongs to the sentence before, so it should come before the end-of-sentence mark or comma ... but it looks strange. So usually I put it afterwards. It also feels more natural in the flow of writing.

Who else has started using smileys on post cards? I really have to pay attention not to use them when writing to my grandparents. Also my god-child, when 8, used a smiley, namely ";-)", when writing a letter to his mom.

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Takran » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:18 pm UTC

Monika wrote:What has not been mentioned yet on this thread: Every (ASCII) smiley deserves a nose! :-) ;-) :-D :-| :-/ Anti-noseless-smiley campaign now! :) ;) :D :| :/


I don't know, I think sometimes noseless smileys convey a slightly different emotion than nosed ones, and certainly if you use = instead of :, such as =), putting a nose-dash looks absurd (e.g. =-) )

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Uniqueuponhim » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:28 pm UTC

The answer is simple: use dashes instead of parentheses

Linux - or BSD :) - would


also, the alt-text today was much funnier than the comic

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby halcyon1234 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:30 pm UTC

Just escape your brackets (even if it looks weird :\) )
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby cparker15 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:38 pm UTC

Random832 wrote:
dennisw wrote:Similarly, I like how title text pretty much forces you to nest single quotes. I suppose you could fake it with doubled single quotes like so:

The IAU ban came after the ''redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom'' incident.


gah... &quot;!

as in <img alt="TED Talk" title="The IAU ban came after the &quot;redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom&quot; incident. (alt: TED Talk)" src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ted_talk.png" />


Am I the only one who uses &ldquo; and &rdquo;?

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Random832 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:44 pm UTC

cparker15 wrote:
Random832 wrote:
dennisw wrote:Similarly, I like how title text pretty much forces you to nest single quotes. I suppose you could fake it with doubled single quotes like so:

The IAU ban came after the ''redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom'' incident.


gah... &quot;!

as in <img alt="TED Talk" title="The IAU ban came after the &quot;redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom&quot; incident." src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ted_talk.png" />


Am I the only one who uses &ldquo; and &rdquo;?


Yes. If he were using curly quotes, he wouldn't need to escape them, it could just be title="The IAU ban came after the “redefinition of ‘planet’ to include the IAU president’s mom” incident."

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Gero » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:48 pm UTC

(:)) looks like a double chin, or maybe exaggerated like Dino comics says. You never know. (:]) might be a solution, but :] doesn't really look like a smile does it. More like a sardonic, sarcastic or condescending smile. Something with malice anyway. I don't know. Just avoid it is probably the best solution.

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby redfive86 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:01 pm UTC

mystichobo wrote:I have problems with both methods as they imply that the "smiley" had a double chin.

Therefor I prefer to put my emoticons outside the brackets


Well if ya mama's a planet, isn't that implied?

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby BlueEyedGreen » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:01 pm UTC

(I signed up specifically to say that I go like this, with a space: :) )

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby segmentation fault » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:04 pm UTC

its about time someone took this issue by the horns!
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby dan3ny » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:11 pm UTC

My mind boggles. Engineers invented emoticons. Engineers invented email. Engineers invented ASCII. It was all under a single (though large (; ) roof. Examining edge cases is the foundation of a good engineer. Anyone???!!??

Those present in this thread seem to have malignant hyper-attention magically combined with too much free time on their hands. I'll expect to see the RFC at the IETF by next Tuesday at the latest.

They couldn't have been *chemical* engineers, could they?


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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Jebobek » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:11 pm UTC

I signed up to wait for this comic strip topic to be eventually made on this forum, so that I could suggest that you should try the smily AFTER all of it. (Usually to show that your entire statement was meant to be said with a smile, not just within the parentheses.) :) Anyway, this is a pretty nice place so I think I'll stick around.
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Dudely » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:17 pm UTC

There is a very easy answer to this debate, and I know why Randall is having such a problem with it.

Refer to the comic "base system" from Friday. In it he writes this: "(Fill in your own "Foul Ball" pun here.)". Note the placement of the period. This is incorrect, as you're not ever allowed to use punctuation in parenthesis. It stands to reason that smileys, being composed of mainly punctuation, fall under this rule as well.

So, according to the rules of grammar, smileys are not allowed to go in parenthesis at all (of course, that's ignoring the fact that they're not grammatically correct in the first place). Whenever I have decided one is necessary I either form the sentence so it eliminates the parenthesis or I place the smiley right after it (like this) :).
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby davidp57 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:18 pm UTC

Hi !

I registered to answer this metaphysical question, so I'll have a quick introduction: I'm David, and I like the xkcd comics very much!
Thanks to the author for making me laugh so often...

Coming back to the question, when I need to include smileys into a "parenthesised" sentence, I switch to an alternate mean of punctuation: I use an hyphen - like in this example ;)

Hope this helps,
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby VioletDaGrinder » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:22 pm UTC

regalarius wrote:Hey there! I signed up just to provide my genius solution to this.

I add spaces, and offset the first word after open-parenthesis by the same number of spaces. ( This makes it more symmetrical. : - ) )



That's what I do too ( except no extra spaces in the smiley :-) ).

This comic and thread make me feel less alone in the world. :D


Edit: oh, I get it, you were trying to avoid the cartoony smiley in your post. xkcd nerds = clever!

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby theoretical_cat » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:28 pm UTC

I find it much easier to avoid ending a parenthetical statement with a smiley (so that it doesn't look so ugly :) I don't like just putting a space, and I think dropping the last parenthesis looks strange.), and then the entire issue is resolved.

Also, on informal vs. formal writing... What about this weird pseudo-formal (or maybe psuedo-informal? :/ is confusing) writing that professors at universities (or at least my uni) like to use in email? They love to use first names and throw formality to hell, then slap on their professional signature line. So I'm stuck trying to reply to:
Dear theoretical,
We've got a meeting scheduled for 9 tomorrow, just wanted to make sure you had it down ;) I know our last meeting had to end in a hurry.
--Joe

Joe Schmoe
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And at the end of it, I have no way to address this guy, because I've met him for 5 whole minutes and can't remember if he's a Dr. or just Mr., and he's ending it with his first name.
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby RanCorp » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:00 pm UTC

athelas wrote:<3 TED talks. That is all.

(They're free! And online!)

When I saw the title here in the forums before going to look at the comic, I'd guessed it was going to be about the absurd volume of TED Talks podcasts that daily flood into my iPod.

I mean, does TED run continuously? 24/7/365?


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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby DrZiro » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:13 pm UTC

Dudely: I don't know what rule books you are using, but it's perfectly normal to use punctuation in parentheses. (Sometimes it's neccessary. One example: When writing multiple sentences in a parenthesis.)

The simple answer to the question is of course that the second option is correct. It may be that it looks mismatched, but it isn't. The first parenthesis sign does not denote an actual parenthesis. The first example is properly mismatched and therefore an Abomination.

I agree with Random832, that we should obviously use the Unicode smilies.

One thing that I find interesting is that the IBM extended Ascii includes two smilies, but it's not "happy guy" and "sad guy", but "happy guy" and "happy black guy". Maybe we should add some more to the series? "Happy Asian guy"? `_´

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby dan3ny » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:15 pm UTC

Dudely wrote:There is a very easy answer to this debate, and I know why Randall is having such a problem with it.
[snip]
This is incorrect, as you're not ever allowed to use punctuation in parenthesis. It stands to reason that smileys, being composed of mainly punctuation, fall under this rule as well.


That's a mighty absolute rule to have the word "mainly" embedded in it, son.

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby wolf_man » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:26 pm UTC

I don't know if this is an intentional reference, but I hope so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYyN_6GmzWI

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby JC1 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:43 pm UTC

God help you if I'm the first to mention this ...
Us doddering usenet simpletions used code:

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<g> <G> <k>


I don't do it -- I just make the close do double duty(((like this :) ;) =)
Or just format all your parens with tabs - -your audience should catch-on
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Kailen » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:01 pm UTC

It is high time I stop lurking and finally create an account here so that I, too, may comment on the comics in question.

I generally use the second option. As messy as it may or may not look, it seems to be to be the least incorrect method of combination.

(Although, the "math approach" is good too. ;) )

But really, whenever grammatical standards and txtspk meet, there's bound to be trouble.
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Drbass » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:28 pm UTC

I honestly can't believe that there is this much discussion about the smiley in parenthesis when there hasn't been a word said about the even bigger problem. HOW DO YOU USE SMILEYS IN A SENTENCE??

Ex:

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Oh me yarm YOUR SO FUNNY :).   BAD  I DON'T HAVE A FREAKING MOLE ON MY FACE!
Oh me yarm YOUR SO FUNNY. : ) New Sentence.... BAD  You can't start a sentence with a smiley!
Oh me yarm YOU SO FUNNY :)  BAD  This is not a sentence!  You did not finish the line!

Facebook laughs at me when it automatically adds periods at the end of every status update!

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Bobberticus » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:42 pm UTC

The parenthesis have long been a serious problem for me, but nowadays I just throw a space or 2 between the emoticon and the closing bracket.
(I'm a statement in parenthesis!! :) )
It's not ideal, but it gets the job done.

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby ThemePark » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:56 pm UTC

dan3ny wrote:My mind boggles. Engineers invented emoticons. Engineers invented email. Engineers invented ASCII. It was all under a single (though large (; ) roof. Examining edge cases is the foundation of a good engineer. Anyone???!!??

Those present in this thread seem to have malignant hyper-attention magically combined with too much free time on their hands. I'll expect to see the RFC at the IETF by next Tuesday at the latest.

They couldn't have been *chemical* engineers, could they?


PostScript: Now that I've taken the sucker bait and tilted my emoticon backwards, it's not just the vertigo that's bothering me. My pal smiley winks with his left eye. Pirates wink with their right eye. I am not a pirate. AAARRGH!

PostPostScript: I registered to post this, and came across Randall's next brain co-resident strip. My browser fills in form fields like email address for me. I use FF's Secure Password Generator plugin (and highly recommend it), which copies a random password onto the clipboard, and then it gets stored in the Password Safe Thingy. So "Confirm e-mail address" and "Confirm password" always leave me saying "WTF? The bar is set at hitting Ctrl-V twice?"

Crikey. Foiled by the captcha. It seems to be using full-font superscripts. Or are they 2 separate rows? Pale washed out colors, radically different texture maps, and white noise all over the place. No wonder this place is only full of Supah Genii. [Link suppressed by moderator request. WINYF. GINYF. But I'm politely requested to refrain from posting the link.]

You win the prize for the most nonsensical post. Ever.

theoretical_cat wrote:I find it much easier to avoid ending a parenthetical statement with a smiley (so that it doesn't look so ugly :) I don't like just putting a space, and I think dropping the last parenthesis looks strange.), and then the entire issue is resolved.

Also, on informal vs. formal writing... What about this weird pseudo-formal (or maybe psuedo-informal? :/ is confusing) writing that professors at universities (or at least my uni) like to use in email? They love to use first names and throw formality to hell, then slap on their professional signature line. So I'm stuck trying to reply to:
Dear theoretical,
We've got a meeting scheduled for 9 tomorrow, just wanted to make sure you had it down ;) I know our last meeting had to end in a hurry.
--Joe

Joe Schmoe
###-###-####
### Office Building
XXXXXXX University

And at the end of it, I have no way to address this guy, because I've met him for 5 whole minutes and can't remember if he's a Dr. or just Mr., and he's ending it with his first name.
Drives. Me. Bonkers. :evil:

</rant> sorry, but it seemed valid when I wrote it. Now I guess I'm just open for suggestions.

If he can be informal, so can you. Just write to him in the same way. The whole signature can be disregarded, since it's just appended to every email he writes, no matter whom it's addressed to.

Besides, here we don't have to be formal with professors. They're human too, after all.
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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby abstractpotato » Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:09 pm UTC

jspenguin wrote:
masher wrote:Am I the only one going "What's TED?"


WIYF:
Technology, Entertainment, Design

sargeras0000 wrote:
dennisw wrote:Similarly, I like how title text pretty much forces you to nest single quotes. I suppose you could fake it with doubled single quotes like so:

The IAU ban came after the ''redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom'' incident.


But what do you do when you need to triple-quote? That's always bugged me.


You can alternate: the title text said, 'The IAU ban came after the ''redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom'' incident.'

I think there is some esoteric programming language that forces you to do this.



But the fact is alternation wouldn't work with the html:

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title='The IAU ban came after the "redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom" incident.'

would get read by the browser as

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title='The IAU ban came after the "redefinition of '



Hm, I wonder if he released a cage of robotic raptors at any of those conferences he was banned from...
(Following Gates's lead)

Haha, I just watched that one last night!

As to the actual topic, I usually just use a space (like this :) ).

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Re: "TED Talk" Discussion

Postby Eleni » Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:14 pm UTC

sadleric wrote:Failure. Only with formal writing should you bother with parenthetical statements. Only with informal writing would you use smiley faces. NEVER should the need for both arise.
I use parenthetical statements all the time with my informal writing (and you can't criticize my informal writing style because it's informal :-P ). Now that parenthetical isn't the best example (since like this one it didn't really need to be a parenthetical), but I do like to use parentheticals for making cute comments or snide remarks--the same types of statements to which I like to add emoticons. So I have encountered this problem. I thought the comic was very funny.
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That article is a few years old. Fuck you, Randall.
Discussion in this thread already proves that Randall is not the only one who has struggled with this problem. The fact that someone asked the question on the Chicago Style Q&A and was brushed aside does not make it less relevant. In fact, because the Chicago Manual of Style people refuse to give us an answer, we are left to fend for ourselves, making the comic all the more relevant.
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