0241: "Battle Room"

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Postby nuggetmonkey » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:14 pm UTC

LASER BEAM DREAMZ wrote:Which comic is this?


http://xkcd.com/c177.html

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Postby warriorness » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:18 pm UTC

Oh wow. I read through two pages of discussion before I got it - even after remembering everything about the battle room, I still didn't realize that the pun had to do with the "system crashes". And when I first read it, I didn't remember the "down" strategy - I even thought it meant at first down as in non-functional! So I realized both layers of the pun, but didn't realize that they were both (in fact) layers of the pun.

I love puns. This is a great pun. Therefore, I love this comic.
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Postby Hench » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:21 pm UTC

I just had to register to say that this comic is now by far my favorite XKCD yet.

I love puns, especially terrible witty ones like this one, and the Ender's Game reference makes it all the better. :)

I've read and enjoyed the rest of the book in the series, including the Shadow ones. I actually enjoyed Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide the most.

Can't wait for Card to release the rest of them.

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Postby DeceptiveAnomaly » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:19 pm UTC

Yay Ender's Game... that comic just made my day and I really just wanted to say something so I figured now would be as good a time as any to register for the forum... the pun was fantastic.

Thanks for always providing fantastic comics... the right hand rule one has come in handy tons now that I'm doing electricity and magnetism in my physics class.

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Postby eclipse » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:37 pm UTC

funny i just finished reading this book about a month ago. my girlfriend was horrified i hadn't read it, and rightly so. loved it.

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Postby frymaster » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:53 pm UTC

if this book were on the shelves at, like, any bookshop in Edinburgh, I would have read it

that is all :(

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Postby w0fl0x » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:08 pm UTC

I'm not sure I get it. I've read the original short story that the novel was based off (liked it a lot) but not the novel itself.. I think I want to read the novel but because of the short story I already know how it ends. hmm

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Postby Arkohn » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:20 pm UTC

I haven't read Ender's Game. Can someone explain the joke?

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Postby CaseyThr » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:24 pm UTC

I love this book! and this comic for that matter
I wish I could read some of the other Ender books, but sadly my school's library doesn't have any...supposedly they have too low a reading level, they're still great books though

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Postby cmacis » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:40 pm UTC

Too low a reading level? Novels that consider the ethics of war on such a grand scale? Not at all.
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Postby CaseyThr » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:48 pm UTC

cmacis wrote:Too low a reading level? Novels that consider the ethics of war on such a grand scale? Not at all.

I know, it's stupid that they rate it as having too low a reading level, but it's based on vocabulary, not how thought-provoking it is.

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Postby Prometheus » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:50 pm UTC

Arkohn wrote:I haven't read Ender's Game. Can someone explain the joke?


Go back to page two, I've got a pretty detailed explanation there.


I'm afraid that I've only read two OSC books. There's just too much on my 'must read' list to get around to in a hurry. The other book I've read was Puzzle Box, which I highly recommend. If you have an irrational hatred of supernatural, steer clear.
Well I thought it was funny.

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the short story was better than the novel

Postby namatad » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:07 pm UTC

so, you really want to be "IN"?
you need to have read the story as it was originally written
first appeared in Analog as a very tight short story/novella

much much better than the expanded and enhanced novel

/best comic ever

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Postby steve_shaw » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:11 pm UTC

Rack up another one who signed up only to comment on this comic.

Ender's Game was a good read, and has held up pretty well over the years. Xenocide and Speaker probably weren't as good, but are still readable. The Shadow books are fairly trite, in my opinion.

But I haven't been able to re-read any of Card's books since I learned how abhorrent his personal beliefs are. I knew he was a bit on the religious side, fine, whatever floats your boat. But it wasn't until I read this interview in Salon that I realized that he's strongly against homosexuality. He refuses to accept the "homophobe" designation, but at the same time claims that being gay is "deviant behavior", and that "Gay rights is a collective delusion".

Googling his name with "gay rights" or "homophobe" will turns up some delightful examples of his writings on the subject, as well as a lot of people taking him to task for it.

His views on intelligent design (which is much different from creationism, according to him) are also indicative of someone I simply cannot support, but that's more of a scientific disagreement than a moral one.

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Postby Anoria » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:21 pm UTC

So I've been squeeing over this comic for the last hour, in pretty much every social circle available to me. A lot of people have asked for the link, and I of course had to make sure they'd read Ender's Game before providing it. I'm greatly disappointed by the number of people who have had answers along the lines of "oh, it's a book? Never mind," or "well I just don't like fiction, so it's not funny."

I wish all my nerds were book nerds.


I'd be curious to see forum join date statistics, to see which comics have caused the greatest number of people to join "just to comment on this one."

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Postby Skyl3lazer » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:49 pm UTC

Oh god...I just had to close my eyes and put my hand to my head on this one. Funny as hell, but in that obscure, punny way.

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Postby Yakk » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:53 pm UTC

Ender's Game was a neat book.

It did have a bit of "X is good, thus the actions of X are good" morality injected into it, which I find rather annoying and dangerous to subject a child to.

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Postby Ronfar » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:05 pm UTC

w0fl0x wrote:I'm not sure I get it. I've read the original short story that the novel was based off (liked it a lot) but not the novel itself.. I think I want to read the novel but because of the short story I already know how it ends. hmm


The novel doesn't end in quite the same way as the short story...
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Postby Demented » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:29 pm UTC

like many others, it seems, I registered just so I could say that this comic was AWESOME, and I second (or more, skimmed the post after a bit) the call for a shirt with this comic on it.

Bravo!

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Postby fynch » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:54 pm UTC

Anoria wrote:
I'd be curious to see forum join date statistics, to see which comics have caused the greatest number of people to join "just to comment on this one."


Going along with interesting statistics, the top ten posters account for about a quarter of all the posts.

99.0% of all members have less than 200 posts.
98.5% have less than 100

48% have listed a website.

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Postby quintopia » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:55 pm UTC

Every time I thought about that quote from that book, a joke like this occured to me. I feel like Randall is stealing my thoughts. I don't mind, though, since it was he who actually made the bad joke and not me.

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Postby Phy » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:00 pm UTC

It is, as others have said, a terrible pun. And by terrible I mean the kind that's funny, but while you were laughing, it mugged you and stole all your credit cards.

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Postby Veovis » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:01 pm UTC

Yet another person who had to sign up to post. I have read the entire Ender series, and the Shadow series as well, and have to say i like the Shadow series better. But i have still read Enders Game atleast 10 times. (I am 17 right now)

Amazing Book, and xkcd, great joke, i loved it. I just have one suggestion to make it better: MAKE A SHIRT!!! PLEASE!!!!

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Postby ZerothRoot » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:09 pm UTC

Yes, I too made this account simply to comment on this comic. This has gotta be one of my favorite ones ever, I love Ender's Game and I love bad puns. I'm sure the t-shirts for this one will make the author very rich.

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Postby warriorness » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:16 pm UTC

CaseyThr wrote:
cmacis wrote:Too low a reading level? Novels that consider the ethics of war on such a grand scale? Not at all.

I know, it's stupid that they rate it as having too low a reading level, but it's based on vocabulary, not how thought-provoking it is.


It's the same, from my experience, with the His Dark Materials series. I read the series in 7th grade about four or five times through, and very recently (I'm 17) I picked it up again - it was a completely different experience.

I last (and first) read Ender's Game in 8th grade. Perhaps I should pick it up again.
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Postby Xayma » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:23 pm UTC

I'm a little sad that Dirk didn't have the legs crouched up, or Ender having his arm out straight in order to use his body to aim.

But otherwise awesome.

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Postby Mhoram » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:26 pm UTC

Wow, an Ender's War reference. (I had the Sci-Fi Book Club version that combined the first two books of the series into one volume.) I had to come register an account just to say how thoroughly awesome that is. One of my five favorite books of all time, although the series went downhill for me pretty quickly with Xenocide.

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Postby Andrusi » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:35 pm UTC

I am yet another person who registered just to post about the enemy's gate joke. Namely: it was awesome.

This just became the first time I have ever e-mailed my dad to show him a webcomic. I have read and enjoyed all eight currently existing books. All nine if you count First Meetings in Ender's Universe (which includes the original story). I then went on to drag him into it as well, so naturally I have to continue to follow my sacred duty.

Interestingly, the story and the book have some differences that can't really be reconciled. The story, for instance, mentions that one of our advantages over the enemy is that we have lightspeed communication and they don't.

Arkohn wrote:I haven't read Ender's Game. Can someone explain the joke?


The long answer's been given already. Here's the short answer:

In Ender's Game, Ender says often that "the enemy's gate is down." He means the direction, as in "downward is toward the enemy's gate." In the comic, the enemy's gate is "down" in the sense that it is not working.
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Postby Akira » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:39 pm UTC

Okay...

So. After looking at this comic in first hour (round 8:30AM) and joining the discussion, I went and checked it out (how fortuitious out sucky library actually had a copy).

I had totally forgotten how intense it was. Reading it this time around is so far different from the first time I read it!! I'm some 30 pages from the end I think (I'd give the plot location, but it'd spoil it).. and it's jsut... Wow. Knowing some things (how certian events turn out) totally gives it a new dimension.

...On the other hand, I missed most of sociology class because i was reading, i totally bypassed the NHS assembly, and I got nothing done at lunch or in seminar.

Please tell me I'm nto the only person who can read and digest it in a day???
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Postby aether » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:59 pm UTC

oh man.. I love ender's game and all but the pun here seemed particularly horrible.. :?

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Postby Eaquae Legit » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:28 am UTC

Another one here who registered to comment.

I love it. So do most of the people I know (Ender Fans). It's a happy day.

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Postby bugmenot » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:26 am UTC

that book sucked. It was like pulling teeth. I liked the twist at the end, but Card can't write.

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Postby motorfirebox » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:38 am UTC

alternatively, perhaps you cannot read!

for those of you who liked Ender's Game but not Xenocide, you should pick up Ender's Shadow and the rest of the Bean books.

and, yeah, OSC's a narrow-minded prig. i haven't enjoyed much else he's written... but Ender's Game just rocked.

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Postby Marten (the great) » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:58 am UTC

I was very sad that I read this when no one else who'd get it was on aim. It's almost as obscure as a logic translation/Dungeons and Dragons joke I made on my own comic.

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Postby j0ecool » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:00 am UTC

Registered a while ago, posted for the second time because Ender's Game is my favorite book. And I've only ever read it once!
I know!
I've been trying to find a copy to sit down with and read again. I must have all of them!
I first (and last) read Ender's Game in fifth grade. My teacher said: "here, you might like this". I did. I hated Xenocide the first time I read it, because I was in sixth grade and didn't really understand it. Reread it a few years ago and it was awesome, and I recenty realized that I need to hunt down the others and reread them as well.

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Postby Owijad » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:27 am UTC

shrike wrote:So, I get it. You math guys, is this how you feel all the time? Pleasantly superior to everyone else? I could get used to this...


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Postby OmenPigeon » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:45 am UTC

Phy wrote:It is, as others have said, a terrible pun. And by terrible I mean the kind that's funny, but while you were laughing, it mugged you and stole all your credit cards.


It has been said, and I agree, that the second greatest compliment the audience can grant a punster is when, at the conclusion of his joke, they all double over with stomach pains.

The highest form of punning flattery occurs when for a brief, shining moment after the punchline has left the air the room is silent as the audience stands aghast in unreasoning horror. It is then customary to flee the room screaming.

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Postby The cellar dweller » Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:10 am UTC

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The cellar dweller wrote:Oh... a novel, well that explains why I didn't get the joke. I lost the ablility to read anything that wasn't presented to me in a browser sometime in the early 90's =).

Well, why hadn't you read it by the late 80s? It came out in 1985, won both a Hugo and a Nebula, and it's sequel, Speaker for the Dead, won both awards AGAIN one year later. ...

Because in the 80's I was a teenager and was far too busy chasing girls *g*


[edit] Dammit! I'm sure theres a comic stating that a jokes humour level is inversely proportionate to the number of people who get it (with a patrick stewart reference thrown in).... but darned if I can find it. Someone else help me out.
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Postby Hench » Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:13 am UTC

I second (third? fourth?) all calls for this comic on a shirt!

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Postby Senefen » Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:13 am UTC

I'm sitting here in the uni library grinning stupidly at the screen.

I'm so glad you did an Enders Game comic. Signed up to the forums to tell you its awesome XD.


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