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Postby Prometheus » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:31 am UTC

Someone pondered how many people registered just for this comic. Well, short of surveying every individual, it's impossible to tell. However, I checked and so far there are 23 people who have posted in this thread, and only in this thread.

This took less effort than you'd think, about 10 minutes.
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Postby mikekearn » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:08 am UTC

The cellar dweller wrote:
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The cellar dweller wrote:Oh... a novel, well that explains why I didn't get the joke. I lost the ablility to read anything that wasn't presented to me in a browser sometime in the early 90's =).

Well, why hadn't you read it by the late 80s? It came out in 1985, won both a Hugo and a Nebula, and it's sequel, Speaker for the Dead, won both awards AGAIN one year later. ...

Because in the 80's I was a teenager and was far too busy chasing girls *g*


[edit] Dammit! I'm sure theres a comic stating that a jokes humour level is inversely proportionate to the number of people who get it (with a patrick stewart reference thrown in).... but darned if I can find it. Someone else help me out.


I know what comic you're talking about...but damned if I can find it either. Now it's seriously bugging me, as I know I saw it just recently, too.
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Postby skeptical scientist » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:52 am UTC

mikekearn wrote:
The cellar dweller wrote:
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The cellar dweller wrote:Oh... a novel, well that explains why I didn't get the joke. I lost the ablility to read anything that wasn't presented to me in a browser sometime in the early 90's =).

Well, why hadn't you read it by the late 80s? It came out in 1985, won both a Hugo and a Nebula, and it's sequel, Speaker for the Dead, won both awards AGAIN one year later. ...

Because in the 80's I was a teenager and was far too busy chasing girls *g*


[edit] Dammit! I'm sure theres a comic stating that a jokes humour level is inversely proportionate to the number of people who get it (with a patrick stewart reference thrown in).... but darned if I can find it. Someone else help me out.


I know what comic you're talking about...but damned if I can find it either. Now it's seriously bugging me, as I know I saw it just recently, too.

It's linked earlier up in this same thread...
ringobob wrote:I haven't read Ender's Game (but got the "Ender" reference), so the first thing I thought of was the qwantz equation. Though, I'm not sure this qualifies if it was on some people's high school reading lists.
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Postby Jauss » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:00 am UTC

I too just registered (finally) to comment on this thread.

Ender's Game (and the other books in the series) definitely changed my life for the awesome when I first read it several years ago (2001?) on the recommendation of all my geek friends. It never ceases to explode my head, break my heart, and create glorious battleroom dreams every time I re-read it. Now and again in the course of conversation or just plain out of the blue one of us will feel the need to say or type "The enemy's gate is down." I've even considered getting a tattoo of some kind (or at least a T-shirt. *hint hint*) in honor of the story. I'll have to finish reading the Shadow books one of these days.

That was a wonderfully horrid pun. Here I sat, catching up on my xkcd when suddenly my mouth dropped open and I grinned like an idiot thinking a mix of "Randall did an Ender's Game comic?! Just when I thought he couldn't get anymore awesome!" and "Oh, no he didn't!"

I found out about xkcd 2-3 months ago from some of those same geek friends and I've read every one. It is, hands down, my absolute favorite comic evar.


PS: To the person who asked if anyone else ever thought of signing as Demosthenes or Locke...yes. If only I were as brilliant as the Wiggins kids. ;)

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Postby Patashu » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:18 am UTC

I feel accomplished for actually getting a novel reference.

But I don't get the joke, so...

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Postby wordtrip » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:14 pm UTC

Chalk another person up in the list of "signed up just to comment here".

I've been reading xkcd for quite a while (the "make me a sandwich" one was my introduction... and still one of my favorites), but HAD to chime in on the Ender's game one.

A) great wonderfully horrible pun
B) sent it to 4 people I knew had read the book and 2 replied without getting it at all... *sigh*
C) I hadn't caught the mouse-over secondary joke until I read about it on OSC's forums.
D) I want it on a shirt too.
E) I'm such a big OSC fan I actually named my 2nd son Ender (middle name, would've waited till #3, but wasn't expecting a #3... and #3 ended up being a girl so it worked out OK).

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Postby screech » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:02 pm UTC

Posting to fourth or fifth the motion for this on a t-shirt.
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Postby ln|mower|+c » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:40 am UTC

This was the first of all the comics that I didn't understand. Needless to say, I bought the book that morning. :P I'm two thirds the way through now and I'm enjoying it very much.

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Postby warriorness » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:17 am UTC

I just realized...

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Irony, anyone?
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Postby Ronfar » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:31 am UTC

warriorness wrote:
Irony, anyone?


"Seiken Densetsu" was a Game Boy game that was released in the US as Final Fantasy Adventure. "Seiken Densetsu 2" was for the Super Famicom and was released in the United States as "Secret of Mana" for the SNES. "Seiken Densetsu 3" was also for the Super Famicom and never had an official US release. Penny Arcade readers would know that. (Just as xkcd readers ought to have read Ender's Game.)
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Postby Belial » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:31 am UTC

Irony, anyone?


Because all the math, science, and crypto in-jokes didn't already fit that bill...

Besides, Ender's game is hardly obscure. It's classic Sci-fi.
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Postby cmacis » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:36 am UTC

Imagine if the Dr device was down, either the one in Ender's Game or Children of the Mind.
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Postby mikekearn » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:44 am UTC

skeptical scientist wrote:
mikekearn wrote:
The cellar dweller wrote:
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The cellar dweller wrote:Oh... a novel, well that explains why I didn't get the joke. I lost the ablility to read anything that wasn't presented to me in a browser sometime in the early 90's =).

Well, why hadn't you read it by the late 80s? It came out in 1985, won both a Hugo and a Nebula, and it's sequel, Speaker for the Dead, won both awards AGAIN one year later. ...

Because in the 80's I was a teenager and was far too busy chasing girls *g*


[edit] Dammit! I'm sure theres a comic stating that a jokes humour level is inversely proportionate to the number of people who get it (with a patrick stewart reference thrown in).... but darned if I can find it. Someone else help me out.


I know what comic you're talking about...but damned if I can find it either. Now it's seriously bugging me, as I know I saw it just recently, too.

It's linked earlier up in this same thread...
ringobob wrote:I haven't read Ender's Game (but got the "Ender" reference), so the first thing I thought of was the qwantz equation. Though, I'm not sure this qualifies if it was on some people's high school reading lists.


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Postby Patashu » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:18 am UTC

warriorness wrote:I just realized...

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Irony, anyone?


Except more people have read Ender's Game than whatever-that-game-is. Far more.

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Postby frymaster » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:39 am UTC

Belial wrote:Besides, Ender's game is hardly obscure. It's classic Sci-fi.


the only reason I've heard of it is reading the "other books by this author, that you'll never find them in the shops" bit in the back of the Alvin Maker books. I know one other person who's vaguely heard of the book. It ain't all that mainstream

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Postby Jesse » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:44 am UTC

Not to mention that the Penny Arcade comic was a parody, not an actual attack on them, so it doesn't count as irony.

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Postby cmacis » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:07 pm UTC

Irony is a term that is so overused that I'm not even sure any more when it is or is not appropriate to use it, either socially or officially.
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Postby Jesse » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:12 pm UTC

Do not trust Alanis Morisette.

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Postby knite » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:44 pm UTC

I registered for the express purpose of saying just how much this comic rocks.

Which is to say, a whole hell of a lot! Keep up the good, and punny, work.

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Postby gmalivuk » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:23 pm UTC

Jesster wrote:Do not trust Alanis Morisette.


I dunno, I like to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume the real irony of that song is at a sort of meta-level.

That is, isn't it ironic that most of the specific examples she uses don't actually count as irony?

But maybe I'm overly optimistic. On a related note, when a panhandler asks for money that I suspect will be used to buy alcohol, I just figure he's got something to celebrate. :-)
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Postby Akira » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:28 pm UTC

That's why I don't write irony.

Frankly, I don't understand it. Therfore, i will not attempt to use it.

Evidently, Julius Ceaser made us of irony--according to our middterm on the play. But. Whatever. u_u
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Postby Belial » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:31 pm UTC

the only reason I've heard of it is reading the "other books by this author, that you'll never find them in the shops" bit in the back of the Alvin Maker books. I know one other person who's vaguely heard of the book. It ain't all that mainstream


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Postby ringobob » Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:12 pm UTC

Irony is a term that is so overused that I'm not even sure any more when it is or is not appropriate to use it, either socially or officially.

who would have thought? (it figured...)

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Postby Pathway » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:44 pm UTC

frymaster wrote:
Belial wrote:Besides, Ender's game is hardly obscure. It's classic Sci-fi.


the only reason I've heard of it is reading the "other books by this author, that you'll never find them in the shops" bit in the back of the Alvin Maker books. I know one other person who's vaguely heard of the book. It ain't all that mainstream


Ender's Game sells far better than Alvin Maker, doesn't it? :roll:

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Postby Istrom » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:49 am UTC

Wow, readingthe forum has made me rush out to fetch the book.

I didn't put the book down for six hours until I finished it.

That book is so incredulously awesome, and the comic made me laugh after I got it, the pun was so intense.

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Postby nameless » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:57 am UTC

Well, I signed up because of this comic. I knew right away that it was Ender's Game and I loved it! Now all my friends love xkcd :)

Honestly, you guys need to read more books....
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Postby Aglet » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:12 am UTC

cmacis wrote:Imagine if the Dr device was down, either the one in Ender's Game or Children of the Mind.


I never understood the progression. In Ender's Game, Dr. Device was invented about eighty years before and was this beam that probably moved at the speed of light. In Children of the Mind, it was this gigantic car-sized missile that moved pretty fast, but standard operating procedure meant that it spent at least a good fifteen minutes in open space where anybody with a BB gun could shoot it down. Hardly a logical evolution of the weapon.
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Postby Akira » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:05 pm UTC

*hasn't read Children of the Mind yet*

You're right, though, that's not a logical progression.I wonder what the explanation is?
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Postby cmacis » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:59 pm UTC

Cost? Must draw myself away from forums and back to Ender's Game. He's still playing buggers with his brother.

So glad that the people here will get the joke.
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Postby cmacis » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:26 pm UTC

It's so obvious now. When it wasn't in a nicely packaged form the target had to be so close to the ship. With a planet size body this is a problem. So release it on a bomb and run away very quickly.
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Postby Pathway » Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:13 am UTC

Aglet wrote:
cmacis wrote:Imagine if the Dr device was down, either the one in Ender's Game or Children of the Mind.


I never understood the progression. In Ender's Game, Dr. Device was invented about eighty years before and was this beam that probably moved at the speed of light. In Children of the Mind, it was this gigantic car-sized missile that moved pretty fast, but standard operating procedure meant that it spent at least a good fifteen minutes in open space where anybody with a BB gun could shoot it down. Hardly a logical evolution of the weapon.


It wasn't a beam moving at light speed. In Ender's Shadow, Bean tells the ships on the final run down to the homeworld of the Buggers, "Don't launch it. Set it off inside your ship. God be with you." (The crew of that ship knew already that they were doomed, and the only way to win was to destroy the planet, consuming them all.)

It was made unwieldy for social reasons, not military ones. The xenocide of the buggers was universally regretted; in Children of the Mind, they made the Little Doctor enormously hard to arm and very easy to deactivate. No one wanted it to be easy to destroy a planet again.

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Postby cmacis » Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:55 am UTC

"There are instructions all over the thing on how to disarm it. Now setting it off, that's hard."

Great how it took the speaker for the dead to persuade everyone that the xenocide was so bad.
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Postby Hench » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:22 pm UTC

The Little Doctor's progression seems to be a kind of plot-hole between Ender's Game, Children of the Mind, and Ender's Shadow.

In Ender's Game, it was never specifically mentioned if the Dr. was a missile or beam. At the time, though, all evidence pointed to it being a beam, so it was moot. With Children, however, the device is described very specifically as being a missile. Whether OSC always intended it to be a missile is unknown. In Ender's Shadow, released after Children but set during Ender's Game, the device was again specifically described as a missile. So by that token, it is implied that during Ender's Game the device was a missile. As far as I know, OSC has never said anything about it.

So, obviously these all don't mesh. One could just assume that canonically the device was always a missile, since Ender's Shadow was quite specific and was released after the first series' end and since it was never specifically stated either way in Ender's Game.

I prefer to think it was always a missile and that young Ender didn't really care either way so never noticed or thought too hard about it, but that just could be my years of accepting Star Trek inconsistencies and excusing them away talking.

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Postby Ace_NoOne » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:42 pm UTC

I've just finished the book, and felt the overwhelming urge to thank everyone here for bullying me into reading it - which hereby I do.

Now let's hope the other books from the series (pl.) are similarly brilliant... (Amazon.de makes me wait 2-3 weeks for Speaker for the Dead - $#@%!)

PS: Yeah, the pun is horrible, and doesn't really make any sense whatsoever - in short: Brilliant!

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Postby Senefen » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:50 am UTC

In Children of the Mind, it was this gigantic car-sized missile that moved pretty fast, but standard operating procedure meant that it spent at least a good fifteen minutes in open space where anybody with a BB gun could shoot it down. Hardly a logical evolution of the weapon.

I think after the xenocide mankind pretty much wanted to avoid the DR device at all costs in a same way as the atom bomb.
They'd rather use a weapon that can cause the same amount of damage but does not have the emotional connection with the xenocide of an innocent species.
Plus they dont have any aliens around to steal technology from, mankind seems to make little progress technologically in the years after the bugger wars, they dont properly understand their new technology and so would have trouble advancing it.

Slightly off topic has anyone else notised the anime series bokurano? Coming out this season. The plot seems to be pretty similar to Ender's game...
Wish they would hurry up on the Ender's game movie.

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Postby Eccentricity » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:17 am UTC

I loved this comic once I got it. I hadn't read Ender's Game in several years, so I read this and couldn't remember enough of the book to get it. So I reached over and pulled out my copy to read it; I had nothing else to do that day. An hour later, I laughed hard and loud whilst hitting myself in the head for having missed the pun. Well done, Randall Munroe.

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Postby smocc » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:11 pm UTC

Wow, I just reread Ender's Game yesterday and I certainly didn't remember it being so amazing. Of course when I last read it I hadn't been through high school or middle school.

On a side note, I've met and had dinner with Orson Scott Card. I think we may still get Christmas cards from his family. He enjoys making custom scenarios in Civilization.
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Postby bbctol » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:24 pm UTC

smocc wrote:Wow, I just reread Ender's Game yesterday and I certainly didn't remember it being so amazing. Of course when I last read it I hadn't been through high school or middle school.

On a side note, I've met and had dinner with Orson Scott Card. I think we may still get Christmas cards from his family. He enjoys making custom scenarios in Civilization.

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Postby william » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:12 pm UTC

Hench wrote:In Ender's Game, it was never specifically mentioned if the Dr. was a missile or beam. At the time, though, all evidence pointed to it being a beam, so it was moot.

Actually, in one conversation between Mazer and Ender it was specifically mentioned as not a missile.
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Postby ... » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:07 pm UTC

I had two problems with Enders Game. One: I realized that the battle games at the end were real. Ender didn't, it never even crossed his mind. Two: I have a better way to destroy the Buggers. Throw rocks at them. There is basically no way to stop an asteroid speeding toward your planet at relitivistic speeds; the queens would die and the humans would win. Other than that, I liked it.

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