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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby VelociraptorEvader » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:21 am UTC

thats great.. so how many of us will become fluent in Hungarian now?
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Notch » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:35 am UTC

It's always bothered me when people talk about high ratios like anything under 1.0 is a horrible crime against the community. By definition, the average UL/DL ratio is exactly 1.0. [*]
Instead, one should talk about how long you keep seeding the torrent after downloading it.

[* I also find it funny that women and men have a different number of average sex partners if one were to trust polls. Sure, it's possible that gay men have way more partners than lesbian women, but somehow I doubt it. ]

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Tephlon » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:55 am UTC

ozur wrote:An example: the Hungarian title for "Alien" translated back to English: The 8th passenger is Death. Which created an awkwardness with the titles of sequels...


Hmm, funny. The Portuguese do this too. I hate this as I get most of my movie news from the net.

What's interesting is that the title for Alien was "O oitavo passageiro" or... "The 8th passenger"... :-)

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby guayec » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:24 am UTC

Damn I feel bad. I usually cancel my torrents after they're complete so I can delete them and download something else... I have only 40 GB of hard drive, you see. :(

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby mrbaggins » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:48 am UTC

Since I have had my own, one person line on to the intertubes, I've been seeding to a 1:1 ratio.

I need to find a decent private tracker. Although, the main thing I'm downloading at the moment is dollhouse, as it isn't released in Australia, and the only site I've found for it (which is also an awesome site I will use in the future) is public, but with good S:L ratios.
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby dizzi12345 » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:49 am UTC

Hungarian subtitles

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby crisfole » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:47 pm UTC

I've been following xkcd for some time now, but I've never commented. Today I wanted to solely so I could say, "GROAN!" :lol: I love it! Keep up the good work.

To everyone else in the discussion: at least be glad your Uni. doesn't block all filesharing software period. Limewire, Napster, BitTorrent, even websites having to do with them are all out by our net.policy. We could probably get around it, but I know the techies and I'd feel bad going behind their backs...

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby greylion » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:56 pm UTC

First of all, the team behind TPB are not awaiting the verdict in jail.
Secondly, even if the trial was in America, how would the jury know if any of them had seeded anything, or uploaded for how long or how much?
One very important point in this case is actually that they haven't seeded or uploaded any torrents; it's only the users who do that.

I'd say this one is way off, barely amusing.


PS:I'm a wholehearted supporter of TPB, but wrongfully portraying even parts of this trial or circumstances will just confuse people.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby rgrossi » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:21 pm UTC

:lol: awesome

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Max2009 » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:23 pm UTC

My rule is to seed for twice as long as it was downloading, uploaded twice the amount of data that downloaded, or until I need the bandwith.
Whichever comes first.
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Taot » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:24 pm UTC

greylion wrote:First of all, the team behind TPB are not awaiting the verdict in jail.
Secondly, even if the trial was in America, how would the jury know if any of them had seeded anything, or uploaded for how long or how much?
One very important point in this case is actually that they haven't seeded or uploaded any torrents; it's only the users who do that.

I'd say this one is way off, barely amusing.
PS:I'm a wholehearted supporter of TPB, but wrongfully portraying even parts of this trial or circumstances will just confuse people.


I'm still kinda unsure if you're troll or not, but sometimes I just try to think positive... ...so,
the people you upload to/download from are called 'peers", hence the sentence "A jury of our peers" can be interpreted as "A jury of common people (like us)" or "A jury of people we seeded to", and thus, by definition, they would be gathered from the people they seeded to. That would be the joke. Which was funny.

I don't really understand why a webcomic about a joke centered on a wordplay would have same moral obligation to present absolutely correct facts... ...but maybe I just got confused by the comic.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Phasma Felis » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:54 pm UTC

greylion wrote:First of all, the team behind TPB are not awaiting the verdict in jail.
Secondly, even if the trial was in America, how would the jury know if any of them had seeded anything, or uploaded for how long or how much?
One very important point in this case is actually that they haven't seeded or uploaded any torrents; it's only the users who do that.

I'd say this one is way off, barely amusing.

PS:I'm a wholehearted supporter of TPB, but wrongfully portraying even parts of this trial or circumstances will just confuse people.

I seriously can't tell if this is epic sarcasm or if you really have no concept whatsoever of "humor".

Either way, pretty funny.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Phasma Felis » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:57 pm UTC

dumbledore wrote:hard to seed when your upload speed is 1/20th of your download speed...

Only if you insist on downloading something new all the time. Download for a couple of days, seed for a couple of weeks, it balances out.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby eviloatmeal » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:59 pm UTC

Noooo... not hard coded subtitles!!! RRRRAAAAAGEE!!!
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby darkspork » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:17 pm UTC

What sentence are they looking at anyway? Jailtime? Fines? Or is it just the website that's on trial? I would check the rest of the interwebs but strolling to any torrent websites (even if I don't download any torrents) at my oppressive college WILL get me thrown out.
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Melchiades » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:19 pm UTC

Haha. The alt text was spot on - especially since I'm hungarian. ((:

also, Stallman is coming here in four days. Seems like our writer's stalking habits are spouting memes right back out.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby poirelli » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:29 pm UTC

Notch wrote:[* I also find it funny that women and men have a different number of average sex partners if one were to trust polls. Sure, it's possible that gay men have way more partners than lesbian women, but somehow I doubt it. ]


Consider a group of 9 women and one man. The man has sex with each woman. The women don't have sex with anyone else.

Average number of sex partners per woman: 1
Average number of sex partners per man: 9
Introduction to statistics: Priceless

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Grasshopper » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:34 pm UTC

trilobyte wrote:Troll time:
When you have finished downloading, you can either close it out ("leeching") or continue to upload it ("seeding") for the other downloaders ("peers").


Incorrect. Continuing to upload it is called "uploading". Leaving it open in your torrent client to be able to be uploaded is "seeding". Seeding involves no data exchange. Uploading/Downloading does.

I'm a SysOp of a torrent site and an Sr. Administrator of another and have to explain the differentiation probably every day. >:[

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Edit: Props to 1337Geek for answering the question 95% correct in the first place :)


Sorry dude, but you're still wrong. Seeding [i]does[i] involve data exchange, except its only metadata, not actual file data. You cannot communicate anything without data exchange.

But you get points for getting it up to 99%. :wink:

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby sethstorm » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:41 pm UTC

How about subtitled Mandarin? Even worse.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby SWGlassPit » Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:17 pm UTC

poirelli wrote:
Notch wrote:[* I also find it funny that women and men have a different number of average sex partners if one were to trust polls. Sure, it's possible that gay men have way more partners than lesbian women, but somehow I doubt it. ]


Consider a group of 9 women and one man. The man has sex with each woman. The women don't have sex with anyone else.

Average number of sex partners per woman: 1
Average number of sex partners per man: 9
Introduction to statistics: Priceless



That would make sense....if the whole population had a ratio of 9 women per men. In reality, it's very close to 1:1, which means that your sample is bogus, and your results don't correlate with the population.
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby jc » Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:34 pm UTC

Taot wrote:I'm still kinda unsure if you're troll or not, but sometimes I just try to think positive... ...so,
the people you upload to/download from are called 'peers", hence the sentence "A jury of our peers" can be interpreted as "A jury of common people (like us)" or "A jury of people we seeded to", and thus, by definition, they would be gathered from the people they seeded to. That would be the joke. Which was funny. ...


Actually, there's another funny/serious part to the joke that has been missed so far. The phrase "jury of our/your/one's peers" is often bandied about in American society, but as "peer" is understood in American speech, this is a mythical jury that has never been part of the US court system. Rather, the phrase dates back to the pre-Revolutionary English legal system. In England, a "peer" is a person that has a peerage, i.e., a noble title (Baron or higher), i.e., a rich and powerful person. Some centuries back, the English nobles managed to impose on their royalty a law saying that a noble man or woman could only be tried by a "jury of peers", i.e., by a jury made up of other rich and powerful people with peerages.

After the Revolution, the US eliminated both royalty and royal titles, so there was no peerage system here. But somehow the phrase "jury of peers" lived on, with the addition of a possessive pronoun, and a change of definition for "peer". If US law had included such a concept, it would have probably meant "trial by a group of rich and powerful people", as it did in the UK. But all the phrase is in the US is a bit of social propaganda to make the legal system sound more fair and balanced than it actually is. Anyone expecting such a jury at their trial is in for a bit of a surprise.

Myself, I keep wondering if when I start a torrent, my computer is really exchanging data with the computers owned by a lot of English UCTs (q.v.) ;-)

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Nemphael » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:54 pm UTC

Aah, should've been "convicted by a jury of my peers"! That'd be art. Maybe not.

As for subtitles, I'm watching TSCC with french subtitles. I'll never forget the meaning of... DAMNIT, can't even remember the work. Darn. Yarn. Ooh, fluffy~

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby fenrir_darkwolf » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:58 pm UTC

The idea of the actual trial is ridiculous! Don't they know pirace reduces global warming?
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Malach » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:35 pm UTC

darkspork wrote:What sentence are they looking at anyway? Jailtime? Fines? Or is it just the website that's on trial? I would check the rest of the interwebs but strolling to any torrent websites (even if I don't download any torrents) at my oppressive college WILL get me thrown out.


Difficult to say (haven't been following the live broadcast of the event, but.. ) unless the judge is corrupt or hasn't been paying attention, they should get off scot free. The prosecuting side has been very clumsy , to say the least, in making their case. In fact, many are not even sure what case they've been making, as it seems to fluctuate from day to day.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby dennisw » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:50 pm UTC

Grasshopper wrote:
trilobyte wrote:Troll time:
When you have finished downloading, you can either close it out ("leeching") or continue to upload it ("seeding") for the other downloaders ("peers").


Incorrect. Continuing to upload it is called "uploading". Leaving it open in your torrent client to be able to be uploaded is "seeding". Seeding involves no data exchange. Uploading/Downloading does.

I'm a SysOp of a torrent site and an Sr. Administrator of another and have to explain the differentiation probably every day. >:[

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Edit: Props to 1337Geek for answering the question 95% correct in the first place :)


Sorry dude, but you're still wrong. Seeding does involve data exchange, except it's only metadata, not actual file data. You cannot communicate anything without data exchange.

But you get points for getting it up to 99%. :wink:


Thus one needs to use protection. :wink:

Also, fix'd.

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poirelli wrote:
Notch wrote:[* I also find it funny that women and men have a different number of average sex partners if one were to trust polls. Sure, it's possible that gay men have way more partners than lesbian women, but somehow I doubt it. ]


Consider a group of 9 women and one man. The man has sex with each woman. The women don't have sex with anyone else.

Average number of sex partners per woman: 1
Average number of sex partners per man: 9
Introduction to statistics: Priceless



That would make sense....if the whole population had a ratio of 9 women per men. In reality, it's very close to 1:1, which means that your sample is bogus, and your results don't correlate with the population.

It's an illustration.
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby vslayer » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:55 pm UTC

i have 128k upload on a good day, but my radio dish is constantly getting screwed up by the weather. i seed as much as i can with the less popular torrents(the smaller ones are sitting at a ratio of about 15 at the moment) but anything with over 1000 peers i will simply stop as soon as ive downloaded it as i cant even browse the internet if i leave utorrent running.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Steroid » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:50 pm UTC

My seeding rule:

-Ratio greater than 1
-One other seed and one other peer
-Three days since my dl completed

If two of those are true, I close the torrent.

But, sometimes I break my rules. If I've torrented a 200 kB program that has 30 seeds, I'm not waiting the 3 days, that torrent is fine.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Phasma Felis » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:14 pm UTC

Malach wrote:
darkspork wrote:What sentence are they looking at anyway? Jailtime? Fines? Or is it just the website that's on trial? I would check the rest of the interwebs but strolling to any torrent websites (even if I don't download any torrents) at my oppressive college WILL get me thrown out.


Difficult to say (haven't been following the live broadcast of the event, but.. ) unless the judge is corrupt or hasn't been paying attention, they should get off scot free. The prosecuting side has been very clumsy , to say the least, in making their case. In fact, many are not even sure what case they've been making, as it seems to fluctuate from day to day.

The defense hasn't been all that compelling, either, as it's relied heavily on the "I'm not responsible" defense.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Mynd Ara » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:15 pm UTC

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence


Sorry, just had to throw that out there. A jury of peers is just an old wives' tale, the Jury is ultimately selected by the prosecution anyways. Sorry if I'm trolling. Emphasis by me.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Phasma Felis » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:34 pm UTC

Actually, there's another funny/serious part to the joke that has been missed so far. The phrase "jury of our/your/one's peers" is often bandied about in American society, but as "peer" is understood in American speech, this is a mythical jury that has never been part of the US court system. Rather, the phrase dates back to the pre-Revolutionary English legal system. In England, a "peer" is a person that has a peerage, i.e., a noble title (Baron or higher), i.e., a rich and powerful person. Some centuries back, the English nobles managed to impose on their royalty a law saying that a noble man or woman could only be tried by a "jury of peers", i.e., by a jury made up of other rich and powerful people with peerages.

After the Revolution, the US eliminated both royalty and royal titles, so there was no peerage system here. But somehow the phrase "jury of peers" lived on, with the addition of a possessive pronoun, and a change of definition for "peer". If US law had included such a concept, it would have probably meant "trial by a group of rich and powerful people", as it did in the UK. But all the phrase is in the US is a bit of social propaganda to make the legal system sound more fair and balanced than it actually is. Anyone expecting such a jury at their trial is in for a bit of a surprise.

You're way off. The Sixth Amendment guarantees an "impartial jury", which in the modern era is interpreted to mean that "the available jurors include a broad spectrum of the population, particularly of race, national origin and gender." "Jury of one's peers" is just a synonym for "impartial jury", and shares nothing but its name with the old peerage system.

Edit: Note that "peers" in the legal sense does not mean either "elite nobles" or "people just like you".

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby theultimateend » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:22 pm UTC

I'm surprised only one person took the morale high ground asshole response to pirating in this thread. I was expecting to pop in here and see a half dozen people reprimanding you all for being worse than child rapists.

I guess that's why xkcd is more interesting than the rest of the internet. Not so predictable.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby promethea » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:40 pm UTC

In the event that Hungarian subtitles are ever actually needed, I would be happy to provide them at no cost. (No, really).

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby '; DROP DATABASE;-- » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:16 am UTC

creaothceann wrote:I'm usually a leecher... it's hard to get even when you have only 10 KB/s upload speed.

'; DROP DATABASE;-- wrote:Something's buggered with my ISP and/or setup. I can download all I want, but the torrent will almost never upload anything. I'll leave it for a week after downloading and still have a ratio of zero. :? Occasionally it sends a few KB.

Maybe your firewall is blocking the ports.
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby almightyze » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:39 am UTC

dr7 wrote:Equal seeding when my upstream connection speed is a fraction of my download isn't fair for me. That's one of the reasons I gave up torrents long ago.


Well, you're (likely) an American. That explains a lot of things about your bandwidth.

'; DROP DATABASE;-- wrote:Something's buggered with my ISP and/or setup. I can download all I want, but the torrent will almost never upload anything. I'll leave it for a week after downloading and still have a ratio of zero. :? Occasionally it sends a few KB.

I suspect they do some funny shit, either intentionally or not, that breaks both that and my website.


Prolly. What's your ISP?

greylion wrote:First of all, the team behind TPB are not awaiting the verdict in jail.


That's the one thing I can agree with him on. The guys are free on bail. It seems ridiculous to portray them as jailed.

Notch wrote:It's always bothered me when people talk about high ratios like anything under 1.0 is a horrible crime against the community. By definition, the average UL/DL ratio is exactly 1.0. [*]
Instead, one should talk about how long you keep seeding the torrent after downloading it.


I understand your argument. A lot of people are pretty bitchy about it, and some trackers persecute and block/ban anyone with significantly low ratios. At the same time, there's a good reason why people argue about that shit: The foundation of a good torrent requires a decent amount seeders. When a leecher does a hit-and-run (i.e., close after download), it not only robs other leechers of a chance to download at a decent speed, but it also forces seeders to stick around longer, and it reduces the health of a torrent overall. The only thing worse than people bitching about low ratios is people bitching about how nobody is seeding the damn torrent.
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Kaijyuu » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:28 am UTC

Kinda a weak comic; the pun felt forced.

Alt text was good though.
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby Kanonfutter » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:14 am UTC

I think it was really funny. I am a sucker for play on words.

In fact, I did not recall the filesharing definition of peer (I very rarely torrent, both up and down), but it was already funny by assuming everybody fileshared.

As for getting things correct: This is a comic. Exaggeration is funny, so it adds to the joke. Try to imagine them sitting around a computer having the conversation. The joke would hit rock bottom faster than you could say "legal complications"

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby RABBIDpanda » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:38 am UTC

almightyze wrote:
greylion wrote:First of all, the team behind TPB are not awaiting the verdict in jail.

That's the one thing I can agree with him on. The guys are free on bail. It seems ridiculous to portray them as jailed.

Fie upon XKCD for sinking to such ridiculous depths! I, too, prefer the naturalism of women leaping forth from the face of an Etch-a-Sketch.

The jail just works to reinforce the idea that these people are facing trial for those unfamiliar with the situation. It's the same way that comics use motion lines to show speed. I've never seen anything move so fast that it left a cloud of short black dashes behind it, but when I see that in a comic I know it's a symbol for that.

SWGlassPit wrote:That would make sense....if the whole population had a ratio of 9 women per men. In reality, it's very close to 1:1, which means that your sample is bogus, and your results don't correlate with the population.

What it really all comes down to is that the statistic you're referring to is biased towards western cultures. The most common sexual selection practice there is male-approaches-female. If we assume that pairing isn't strictly uniform (due to attractivness, sluttiness, what have you), then a single female has several options to choose from. If we make the fair assumption that every woman isn't strictly monogamous, the statistic that women have more sexual partners than men begins to seem plausible.

But THEN you need to start looking at the fact that people have done tremendous amounts of research about how many people lie about sexual activity, even on anonymous surveys. RIP original point of this thread. We barely knew ye.

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby numen » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:48 am UTC

Subtitles in Hungarian?
Sounds great, haha, I would really like it!!!
I may have to seed a bit less to have Hungarian subtitles automatically! :D

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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby ZLVT » Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:30 pm UTC

edem wrote:
hthall wrote:We find you guilty of closing your torrents as soon as they finish. Your sentence is unremovable Hungarian subtitles on everything.

Bah, Hungarian subtitles are nothing. Not very annoying. Make it Hungarian dub, and now you're somewhere - for the last couple of years, Hungarian dubs s*ck hard. I should know, I'm a Hungarian, and I rather watch a movie with the original English dub...
And btw, Hungarian language is actually easier to read than English. At least, when we write a t, we always pronounce it as a t (like in 'it'), unlike English people (take 'nation' for example...) :P

...not that I'm complaining. ;)


Hungarian dubs have always sucked :( Not that I mind, I prefer to watch things int their original languages.
you get used ot English spelling after a while, you can correctly pronounce most words even if you havn't seen them before.
Also, we /do/ have a magyar thread in the languages section.
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Re: "Pirate Bay" Discussion

Postby quantumboy » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:45 pm UTC

numen wrote:Subtitles in Hungarian?
Sounds great, haha, I would really like it!!!
I may have to seed a bit less to have Hungarian subtitles automatically! :D

Határozottan javítana számomra a filmek érthetőségén:)


Only if top quality subtitles are used. Sometimes I have to search half the internet to find a well-timed grammatically correct Hungarian subtitle which is really the translation of the film and not just a summary.

Mindenestre támogatom az ötletet. Bizonyára megjelennének hamar a felirateltávolító szoftverek, melyek a felirattalan verziókból vonnák ki az információt. :)


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