0587: "Crime Scene"

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0587: "Crime Scene"

Postby ComputerAnalysis » Fri May 22, 2009 4:00 am UTC

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Alt-Text: "I think I see a Mandlebrot set! No, that's just blood splatters. Golly."
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Re: Crime Scene

Postby rwald » Fri May 22, 2009 4:01 am UTC

At least Numb3rs tries to integrate the math more naturally into the plot.

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Re: Crime Scene

Postby glasnt » Fri May 22, 2009 4:02 am UTC

Wow, a thread made at the exact minute of the comic being up.


Heh, maybe Randall realised we need more Math jokes :P

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Re: Crime Scene Discussion

Postby ComputerAnalysis » Fri May 22, 2009 4:03 am UTC

My first post ever at that.

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Re: Crime Scene Discussion

Postby sargeras0000 » Fri May 22, 2009 4:03 am UTC

Ah, math. Always a funny subject.

EDIT: And, nice job ComputerAnalysis, for a such a large entrance into the pantheon of non-lurkers.
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Re: Crime Scene Discussion

Postby Diosjenin » Fri May 22, 2009 4:04 am UTC

Isn't two technically considered the fourth Fibonacci number, what with the 0, 1, 1, 2 and all? Or does he mean the third unique Fibonacci number?

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby Sizdian » Fri May 22, 2009 4:04 am UTC

Hrm, Crime Scene Discussion doesn't have quotation marks in the title of this thread...

I SENSE AN IMPOSTOR!

Edit: Oh wait, there they are...still, I say it's a fake!
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Re: Crime Scene Discussion

Postby Troger64 » Fri May 22, 2009 4:04 am UTC

i find it dull
ill check out this "mathnet" so i will like the comic more

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby ComputerAnalysis » Fri May 22, 2009 4:05 am UTC

You don't usually consider zero. It just defined that way to support the recursive definition.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby Jorpho » Fri May 22, 2009 4:09 am UTC

Eee! Square One! They just don't make 'em like that anymore.

Also, here's Joe Howard's filmography at IMDB, if you're curious as to what he's been up to.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0397394/

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby smartdude992 » Fri May 22, 2009 4:11 am UTC

I hate it when I don't get the joke on my own and I have to google it...this is just a reason for me to watch more tv...

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby TheAbstractor » Fri May 22, 2009 4:11 am UTC

Holy crap! Did you just make a "Square One" reference?

XKCD is now officially the greatest comic strip in the universe.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby athelas » Fri May 22, 2009 4:12 am UTC

Yay, a Numb3rs dig!

Of course the show has long degenerated into an ordinary crime drama, with the occasional "I found an algorithm" thrown in. First season was quite fun though.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby smartdude992 » Fri May 22, 2009 4:14 am UTC

TheAbstractor wrote:Holy crap! Did you just make a "Square One" reference?

XKCD is now officially the greatest comic strip in the universe.

I like to think it always has been...

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby Diosjenin » Fri May 22, 2009 4:14 am UTC

Really? I've always heard of it and thought of it as starting with zero (more specifically, F(n+2) = F(n)+F(n+1) where the first seed is 0 and the second is 1). Ah well.

Also: Oh me yarm! Mathnet! I haven't seen that since fifth grade! The only series I even remember anymore is the one where some malicious TV show host gets a wholesome TV show kicked off the air to make room for his own by screwing with the black box ratings.

*sigh* I loved those Fridays.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Fri May 22, 2009 4:17 am UTC

This brings up that one time at one oclock where I killed two people (and their three pets) with five stab wounds while I ate a ham and cheese sandwich on Friday the 13th on 34 Partridge Lane. I waited 55 days to make my next move, where I murdered an 89 year old man at a retirement home using twelve squared shaped rocks I chiseled 233 miles to the west. I hope they don't catch on to me >>
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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby muteKi » Fri May 22, 2009 4:17 am UTC

Oh man, Square One Television was awesome.

On another forum we were listing our favorite Sesame Street songs, and I got to thinking about Square One again, since they're both Children's Television Workshop programs and are heavily based on short scenes that cut between each other, and may or may not all be linked together by a common theme.
Actually, Mathnet isn't what sticks out in my mind as much -- MathMan, the Number 9 and Angle Dance songs, Dirk Niblick, David Numberman, Common Multiple Man and a few of the game shows. Great program, taught math skills (i.e., problem-solving) rather than just the mechanics thereof. Cyberchase is nowhere near as awesome because it relies on icky flash animation; though it's not bad I greatly prefer my SNL with math jokes.

(Common multiple man also had the added bonus of demonstrating why showing one's work was a good thing.)

Also, I'm as much reminded of the way that CSI: Miami opens up so I'm going to leave you all with this.
[puts on glasses]
Looks like his number's up.
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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby RicoSuave » Fri May 22, 2009 4:18 am UTC

I just taught the Mandlebrot Set to my College Algebra class a few weeks ago; I'll have to show them this. Thanks Randall!

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby adhair » Fri May 22, 2009 4:23 am UTC

I was recently lamenting the fact that so few of my friends had seen Square 1 TV, and bam, now Randall makes them go look it up.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby alethiophile » Fri May 22, 2009 4:23 am UTC

By the way, isn't it spelled 'mandelbrot'?

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby TunezNZ » Fri May 22, 2009 4:23 am UTC

I agree with this comic
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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby phlip » Fri May 22, 2009 4:30 am UTC

Square One was one of my favourite TV shows as a kid. Yay, nostalgia. Mathman was a fool, and didn't win that game nearly often enough.

Also: I've seen fibbonacci numbers defined as f1 = f2 = 1; or f0 = 0, f1 = 1... and then the recurrence from there. Either way, f3 = 2.

Also also: Law of small numbers.
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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby MiB24601 » Fri May 22, 2009 4:31 am UTC

L.A.P.D.? But Mathnet was transferred to New York!
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I can't believe I immediately thought of that after reading the comic.
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I think I need scotch.
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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby muteKi » Fri May 22, 2009 4:46 am UTC

MiB24601 wrote:L.A.P.D.? But Mathnet was transferred to New York!
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I can't believe I immediately thought of that after reading the comic.
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I think I need scotch.


I thought of that too, but couldn't remember if they went to New York from California or the other way around.
Seems that yeah, you're right.
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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby malec2b » Fri May 22, 2009 4:50 am UTC

Man, Mathnet was something lost in the deep recesses of my mind. Good times, good times. I thought I was the only one who (albeit, vaguely) remembered it.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby DSDM » Fri May 22, 2009 4:54 am UTC

Holy fuck. We used to watch that in my fourth grade math class. And I totally forgot about it until today.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby Kayube » Fri May 22, 2009 4:56 am UTC

"The story you are about to see is a fib. The names are made up, but the problems are real."

I. Loved. That. Show. I wish it was still on, maybe then I'd be more interested in math. Or better yet they should make a college version. It's never too late for educational TV, I say.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby blaisepascal » Fri May 22, 2009 4:57 am UTC

sje46 wrote:This brings up that one time at one oclock where I killed two people (and their three pets) with five stab wounds while I ate a ham and cheese sandwich on Friday the 13th on 34 Partridge Lane. I waited 55 days to make my next move, where I murdered an 89 year old man at a retirement home using twelve squared shaped rocks I chiseled 233 miles to the west. I hope they don't catch on to me >>

You threw them off on Partridge Lane, where the stakeout was happening down the block at 21 Partridge Lane.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby SirOmega » Fri May 22, 2009 4:59 am UTC

I just wanted to post that I loved Square One when I was a kid. I wish they had them all on DVD now... I'd love to be able to show them to my kids when they're in elementary school.

Squaaaaaaare ONE!

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Fri May 22, 2009 4:59 am UTC

blaisepascal wrote:
sje46 wrote:This brings up that one time at one oclock where I killed two people (and their three pets) with five stab wounds while I ate a ham and cheese sandwich on Friday the 13th on 34 Partridge Lane. I waited 55 days to make my next move, where I murdered an 89 year old man at a retirement home using twelve squared shaped rocks I chiseled 233 miles to the west. I hope they don't catch on to me >>

You threw them off on Partridge Lane, where the stakeout was happening down the block at 21 Partridge Lane.

21? Who said anything about 21? Heh heh. I don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby ryu planeswalker » Fri May 22, 2009 5:06 am UTC

Diosjenin wrote:Really? I've always heard of it and thought of it as starting with zero (more specifically, F(n+2) = F(n)+F(n+1) where the first seed is 0 and the second is 1). Ah well.

Also: Oh me yarm! Mathnet! I haven't seen that since fifth grade! The only series I even remember anymore is the one where some malicious TV show host gets a wholesome TV show kicked off the air to make room for his own by screwing with the black box ratings.

*sigh* I loved those Fridays.


Don't forget about the "clue" episode with the former Judge and the billiard Balls.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby Jourdy289 » Fri May 22, 2009 5:09 am UTC

Teehee!
That was... interesting!
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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby Kaijyuu » Fri May 22, 2009 5:17 am UTC

I recognized both mathmatical terms.... but not from any math class.
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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby BlueNight » Fri May 22, 2009 5:21 am UTC

"Probability, don'cha mess with me,
Help me make the most of a chance;
Might be win or lose, still I've got to choose,
Long as there's a ghost of a chance..."

"Thaaaaat's...
Innnnn........
Finity, you can count forever, there'll always be one more!
That's infinity, count from dusk 'til dawn,
You'll never count inifinity,
You'll just count on,
And on,
And on,
And on..."

And the song that inspired a lifelong delight with this artist's works:

"Everywhere I see them there, I stop and stare at patterns;
I don't care, I must declare I've got a flair for patterns;
On my hair, the clothes I wear, my savoir-faire is patterns;
All I see is petterns, the patterns that repeat!"

Oh, now I find myself wishing TMBG had done even a single song for Square One. Wondering what glories could have been...
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Re: Crime Scene Discussion

Postby participation » Fri May 22, 2009 5:49 am UTC

Diosjenin wrote:Isn't two technically considered the fourth Fibonacci number, what with the 0, 1, 1, 2 and all?


Tell that to the parrot.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby Flewellyn » Fri May 22, 2009 5:56 am UTC

*whips calculator out of shoulder holster*

MATHEMATICIANS! FREEZE!

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby Red Hal » Fri May 22, 2009 6:11 am UTC

Mathematics is just applied Philosophy. I notice no-one's followed up sje's meme yet. A little too close to the bone this time?

I have never seen mathnet, but I don't have to to appreciate the humour. I particularly liked today's comic, but then perhaps I'm just being nostalgic..
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Re: Crime Scene Discussion

Postby Goplat » Fri May 22, 2009 6:36 am UTC

Diosjenin wrote:Isn't two technically considered the fourth Fibonacci number, what with the 0, 1, 1, 2 and all? Or does he mean the third unique Fibonacci number?
If you extend the sequence backwards as well as forwards, you get
13, -8, 5, -3, 2, -1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13...
Clearly, 0 should be the zeroth fibonacci number, so that we can get the nifty identity |fib(n)| = |fib(-n)|. From this numbering, 2 is the third.

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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby SD-Knex » Fri May 22, 2009 6:57 am UTC

I bet this murder was staged by the Black Hat Couple intentionally without any mathematical curiosities in order to vex George Frankly.

alethiophile wrote:By the way, isn't it spelled 'mandelbrot'?


Yes, even "Mandelbrot".
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Re: "Crime Scene" Discussion

Postby tim314 » Fri May 22, 2009 7:01 am UTC

I've heard the Fibonacci sequence given starting with either 0 or 1. But in the Mathnet episode with the parrot, it kept repeating "One, one, two, three" (and later "Five, Eureka!"), so it makes sense that Randall would use that version. (I can't believe I still remember that.)

The latest addition to the list of "Things that make me feel old" . . . PBS stopped airing new episodes of Square One fifteen years ago.


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