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0689: "First Design"

Postby eviloatmeal » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:06 am UTC

http://xkcd.com/689/

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Title text: "Pool on the roof must've sprung a leak."

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby stardek » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:08 am UTC

I love that movie :)

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby scottgoblue314 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:08 am UTC

What is it pushing in the last panel?

Also, brilliant.

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby helo darqness » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:08 am UTC

I get it some kind of Rube Goldberg contraption.

But thats it. Is this some kind of inside joke again?

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby eviloatmeal » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:09 am UTC

No, it's a robot soccer match.
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby SummerGlauFan » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:10 am UTC

I thought it might have been some kind of robot fighting competition.
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby scottgoblue314 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:11 am UTC

helo darqness wrote:I get it some kind of Rube Goldberg contraption.

But thats it. Is this some kind of inside joke again?


Not a Rube Goldberg, just Robowars. It isn't complicated like a Rube Goldberg.

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Omegaton » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:11 am UTC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRST

Had to look it up myself...

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby helo darqness » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:12 am UTC

scottgoblue314 wrote:
helo darqness wrote:I get it some kind of Rube Goldberg contraption.

But thats it. Is this some kind of inside joke again?


Not a Rube Goldberg, just Robowars. It isn't complicated like a Rube Goldberg.


Ah, haven't watched TV in over a year.

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby miggit999 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:13 am UTC

That's a much better design than anything my team's come up with so far :P
And its robotics! and FIRST! Yay! He actually drew this year's game! *babbles*

And to explain, its a high school robotics competition from an organization called For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology (FIRST) http://www.usfirst.org/ There's a new game each year, and this one just came out (its a soccer match obviously).
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby PCChris » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:13 am UTC

Omegaton: You beat me to clarifying the acronym. I was going to point it out as the title of this thread isn't capitalized.

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Peregrine » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:15 am UTC

I personally prefer the EMP-device/Faraday cage combination.
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Kaldra » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:16 am UTC

I'm reminded of one of the early episodes of Pokemon when Pikachu beats Onix by zapping the sprinkler system :D
I like it!

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby ajosmer » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:17 am UTC

Heh, I love this! Unfortunately, having already had a quiz on the rules for this year's game in robotics, I have a couple of issues to point out:

1) Nothing may intentionally detach from the robot ("intentionally" is determined by the referees, not the teams).
2) That is WAY above the height limit for the robot at ANY point in the match (60" during most of the match, and 90" during the last 20 second Finale).
3) There are no bumps or towers on the field.

Other than that, I would totally steal that idea...

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Kanerop » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:18 am UTC

It's this year's FIRST FRC game. Like people have said, it's basically robot soccer, with the field divided into thirds by big trapezoidal speed bump sort of things.

On a side note, looks like I'll have to try and waterproof the electronics this year.

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby jkirow » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:20 am UTC

Long time reader here, I had to register to give kudos for actually acknowledging the FIRST competitions!! High school was definitely more fun with a robot to tinker with, even if I spent more of my time messing with the programming than actually in the shop working on the parts.

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby organman » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:20 am UTC

I fear that this may not be graciously professional. :(

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby slavik262E » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:21 am UTC

I get home from a FIRST robotics meeting to find this. Nicely done, Randall.

For those of you who still have no idea what's going on, FIRST robotics is a high school robotics competition. Teams have 6 weeks to build a robot essentially from scratch to play a new game every year. Software is run on a 400 MHz PowerPC processor running VxWorks, the same OS used on the Apache gunship. Programming can be done in C++ and Java, and for those of you who prefer to draw flowcharts instead of actually code, LabVIEW.

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Storm » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:22 am UTC

Hahah great comics this week :) and a fantastic one for my birthday! Thanks Randall!
I really like the thinking outside the box idea. Lets just hope it does short the other robot!
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby etotheix » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:27 am UTC

I suspect all of those on XKCD who are FIRSTers or FIRST alumni will quickly fill this thread. :D

Awesome comic!

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Quordlepleen » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:28 am UTC

I remember some good times back in high school and working on my school's First robotics team. We always would joke about pulling some stunt like this to mess with the other teams. Unfortunately the rules for the competition where always fairly well thought out so as to prevent that sort of thing. Plus the idea of good sportsmanship was pretty heavily promoted and so such actions would probably be frowned upon.

My youngest brother is on the school's team this year and I can't wait to see how well their new robot manages to do in the competition, hopefully the team can make it to nationals again.
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby The Free Man » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:31 am UTC

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P.S. The actual quote is "The pool on the roof must have a leak."

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby oxy » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:32 am UTC

wish my school did this...

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby pyroman » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:33 am UTC

At first i thought that this was for the Trinity Robotics competition where the objective is to build an autonomous robot that can navigate a maze, find a candle and in someway shape or form extinguish it. I was a little disappointed when i realized it was some other robotics competition (FIRST? not sure because my school wouldn't give us to money to do that one). This would have been a much more creative solution to the Trinity competition.
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby lu6cifer » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:35 am UTC

Hello everybody!
I feel kind of ashamed, being a part of this year's FRC, and not understanding the comic upon first sight...

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby '; DROP DATABASE;-- » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:36 am UTC

Nice. I tended to come up with similar wacky designs for Robot Wars - a spike hammer injecting water/napalm into whatever it pierces, or a transmitter to jam the enemy's remote - but I figured they probably have rules against that sort of thing.

Homer Simpson did once win such a contest by destroying the remote though. :p
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Zyphyr » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:42 am UTC

Waaayy better than my design team's designs. This one is so going to win at Georgia.
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pyroman wrote:At first i thought that this was for the Trinity Robotics competition where the objective is to build an autonomous robot that can navigate a maze, find a candle and in someway shape or form extinguish it. I was a little disappointed when i realized it was some other robotics competition (FIRST? not sure because my school wouldn't give us to money to do that one). This would have been a much more creative solution to the Trinity competition.

Hahaha that's amusing. I've done Trinity as well.

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Cryopyre » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:49 am UTC

Haha, he even pretty accurately depicts the field in the last panel (save the trusses that extend into midfield).

Our team's design is a little crazy this year. I don't know if it will work, may have to collaborate tomorrow.
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Brace » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:50 am UTC

When I did this my idea was just like a bucket and then the robot could just stay underneath the thing that drops the balls and catch them all
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Zapheres » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:53 am UTC

I didn't get it at first sight! So disappointing...

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby azrathud » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:57 am UTC

I love how my interests merge. :) This is awesome.
I am glad to have joined FIRST this year.

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby ILikeFood » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:00 am UTC

Brilliant. We had some ideas like this after a team member almost lost a finger in a scissor lift prototype. If it works on us, why not on rival teams? :D

Randall, are you a mentor?

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby artichoke » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:05 am UTC

This has to be one of my favorite strips now for mentioning FRC. I'll have to show this to my team!

Good luck to the other teams out there; this game is definitely going to take a lot of ingenuity because of its restrictions.. no sprinkler system for us!
Also just finished building a bump today, and I have to say, it's even worse than expected!

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby menace101 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:08 am UTC

A few friends on FIRST and I have just shared quite a few moments of utter happiness in seeing this comic. Randall, thank you for making my day. Proud 3rd year veteran of FIRST!

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby lingomaniac88 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:11 am UTC

Great comic. Especially since FIRST was one of the most awesome things I did in high school.

And apparently the comic is a big hit on Chief Delphi.

So, which teams would like to volunteer and send this robot to their regional?
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby Danny89 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:17 am UTC

Been a long time reader of the strip but I had to register on the forums just to comment on this comic
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby ohaus » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:21 am UTC

As a member of FRC team 329 and a fan of xkcd, this completely blew my mind.

I mean, he even got the field design for this year's game(mostly) right and everything.

I'm definitely telling my teammates about this at today's meeting.

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby admalledd » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:28 am UTC

Yay for FIRST!
so Randall just added the next rule to the team updates: water proofing...

I'm the lead programmer, and i have a lot of work to do! i plan on programming the robot in python ;) so that our code looks like VXworks->C++->BOOST++threading->python->image recognition code in python.

sadly at this time i have been unable to port the soul module to PowerPC architecture... anyone willing to help?

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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby lingomaniac88 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:50 am UTC

admalledd wrote:so Randall just added the next rule to the team updates: water proofing...


Congratulations, Randall. You just turned Breakaway into the elusive water game. Well done.
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Re: "First Design" Discussion

Postby sje46 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:04 am UTC

Apparently the first three FIRST competitions were held in gymnasia at local high schools (in my state, NH), and the fourth one (and every one since then) at Disney World. That's kinda...a jump.
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