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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Clever-Username » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:57 am UTC

demadaha wrote:
Also, I have a strong dislike, of homeopathy after hearing phrases like "you can just cross out the mass in E=MC^2."*


Oh.... No.... Oh my god.... WHY?!?!?!?!!? Ahhhhhhhhh I want to turn back time and prevent myself from watching that... (if someone makes a paradox comment in response to this I'm going to cry).

How did she become so dense??????? Let's put the mass of the universe in her skull and see if crossing out the mass works well for her then...

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Mr. Burke » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:58 am UTC

demadaha wrote:Inquiry: If increasing the dilution increases the effectiveness of the solution, and a semen dilution would function as illustrated in the comic, wouldn't any semen in the ocean (from say, a couple on the beach), mean that any post-pubescent female in the ocean would get pregnant? Homeopathically speaking of course.

Or

If a semen dilution would function to terminate a pregnancy, as suggested in the comments, would that make the ocean "cure" pregnancy?

You forgot that the ocean is also a heavily diluted solution of birth control pills. Which if these wins is anyone's guess.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Snowdream » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:00 am UTC

I'm on the fence about homeopathic medicines.

I have relatives who are Doctor's (Legit med degree's) who have also taken certification courses in homeopathic medicines. I like the balance they have, as my one aunt who is a Doctor says "Aloe Vera might be nice for a light burn, but sometimes you just need the skin-graft."

Alternative medicine has it's place, but people who are 100% alternative are nuts, and living very dangerous lives.
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The placebo effect scales with cost; more expensive = better

Postby Ghona » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:01 am UTC

Hey now, homeopathy has lots of scientific evidence showing it's much better than a normal sugar pill.


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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby phlip » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:02 am UTC

Killamus wrote:Isn't this rather how humans build up immunities to things such as venoms? By giving someone very, very small doses of snake venom, they will eventually become immune to it? I guess it's true, even the most illogical of things come from logical backgrounds :mrgreen:

At a very high level, yes, homeopathy and vaccination are similar... in that they both involve receiving a dose of something bad for you that's been neutralised somehow so it's no longer bad for you, to cure a similar bad thing. There are, however, plenty of differences:

Firstly, vaccination focuses on what's causing the disease whereas homeopathy focuses on symptoms... eg a flu vaccination helps immunise you against that strain of the flu, and won't help with other things that cause coughing, a blocked nose and a fever... or even other strains of the flu that aren't in that particular shot... but in homeopathy, since, say, arsenic poisoning causes many symptoms, including headaches, diarrhoea and vomiting, homeopathic arsenic is used to treat symptoms including headaches, diarrhoea and vomiting (without worrying about what's actually causing those symptoms). Back in the real world, becoming immune to arsenic, even if that were possible, isn't going to help you fight other problems that have similar symptoms to arsenic.

Secondly, vaccination makes it so that the dose, while based on something bad for you, is actually harmless, by tampering with the viruses in the dose so that they're inert... not able to actually function... but similar enough that the antibodies you get by fighting this inactive virus are also functional at fighting the real thing. Thus, it gets rid of the bad parts and leaves the good parts. Homeopathy makes it so that the dose, while based on something bad for you, is actually harmless, by diluting it so much that there isn't any of it left. Thus, it gets rid of the bad parts and gets rid of the good parts, and gets rid of the all trace of anything resembling the original ingredient.

Thirdly, vaccination focuses on things you can actually become immune to, like viruses... it's like how, once you get chicken pox as a kid, you'll never get it again - once you've gotten it once, your body reacts and you're now immune. A chicken pox vaccine simply triggers the same response so you become immune, without the hassle of actually catching the disease in the first place (thus, as I said in the previous point, getting rid of the bad parts and leaving the good parts). Homeopathy, on the other hand, doesn't seem to... you're not going to become immune to arsenic, no matter how much of it your body is exposed to, even if you could find a way to safely expose yourself to it (a homeopathic solution doesn't count as "safe exposure" because, while safe, it doesn't count as "exposure").

Fourthly, vaccination is used solely as a preventative... giving a flu shot to someone who already has the flu isn't going to cure them... but giving it to someone who hasn't gotten the flu yet will help stop them from getting it. Homeopathy on the other hand, while it might be used as a preventative (I'm not certain either way) is also often used as a cure.

Finally, and most importantly: Science says that vaccination actually works. Science says that homeopathy doesn't work.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Minthulf » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:11 am UTC

Is it me or are the alt texts getting less subtle and funny?

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby internetcommenter » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:21 am UTC

Snowdream wrote:Alternative medicine has it's place, but people who are 100% alternative are nuts, and living very dangerous lives.

I think you took http://www.xkcd.com/690/ a bit too seriously.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby The Boz » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:34 am UTC

Clever-Username wrote:
demadaha wrote:
Also, I have a strong dislike, of homeopathy after hearing phrases like "you can just cross out the mass in E=MC^2."*


Oh.... No.... Oh my god.... WHY?!?!?!?!!? Ahhhhhhhhh I want to turn back time and prevent myself from watching that... (if someone makes a paradox comment in response to this I'm going to cry).

How did she become so dense??????? Let's put the mass of the universe in her skull and see if crossing out the mass works well for her then...

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Snowdream » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:40 am UTC

internetcommenter wrote:
Snowdream wrote:Alternative medicine has it's place, but people who are 100% alternative are nuts, and living very dangerous lives.

I think you took http://www.xkcd.com/690/ a bit too seriously.


That's what happen when your life is dedicated to compromising >.<

by the way - what definitions are we using for 'homeopathic?'

I mean, does putting aloe-vera on to treat a sun-burn count as 'homeopathic?' Or what about drinking specific tea's to wake a person up, or put a person to sleep, to relax, for good health, etc...

Does eating a specific diet (More lettuce for more fiber) qualify as homeopathic?

Or are we counting homeopathic as: "Try this pill made of the finest sand found on earth, and it will cure your cancer!"
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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Kalos » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:41 am UTC

2 for 2 comics of Randall making fun of something while proving his complete inability to understand it.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby BlueNight » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:42 am UTC

I just finished dog-sitting for a week. Both of my sister's dogs have bad hips, but the alternative medicines have "worked really well", better than the pain medication they were on. A few days before she got back, I spilled most of the remaining homeopathic joint-fix, and had to go buy some more magic water for her dogs.
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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby xenny » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:16 am UTC

Today's comic really had me chuckling to myself. Wish I hadn't read the mouseover though - I've no real interest (or belief) in homeopathy but I guess I found that comment a bit disrespectful. That aside, I've been particularly enjoying the recent pages.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby elrunethe2nd » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:33 am UTC

Oh man this comic pissed me off. Rather than being, you know, relevant, interesting, important or you know, decent, it is 'Randall Attacks Obscure Medicine!'.
We have women up for stoning, over-the-counter pills you can buy which can kill you and more problems to report on than ever and this webcomic attacks one of the more harmless questionable medicines out there.

xenny wrote:I've no real interest (or belief) in homeopathy but I guess I found that comment a bit disrespectful.

Exactly. Go and declare all religions a sham first, and leave the small-time snake oil dealers alone.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Mauersegler » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:34 am UTC

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby SvenV » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:35 am UTC

1. Homoeopathy is a sham (though perhaps, like placebos, a useful sham on rare occasions)

2. As others have said here, the comic has it backwards. Homoeopathy would use diluted cyanide as an antidote to Death, for example. (Disclaimer: not a real example. Do not try this.) Wikipedia would explain it to you... "Hahnemann came to believe that all effective drugs produce symptoms in healthy individuals similar to those of the diseases that they treat." You take a diluted form of something that would normally worsen your existing condition. It's a cargo-cult-style understanding of things like vaccination.

It is worth noting that some homoeopathic products subvert the original concept, presumably in an attempt to surpass the placebo effect and retain a greater number of customers.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Madtentacle » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:37 am UTC

demadaha wrote:Also, I have a strong dislike, of homeopathy after hearing phrases like "you can just cross out the mass in E=MC^2."*


*disclaimer: Following this link may result in nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach and diarrhea. Do not view if you have faith in humanity, have a weak heart or are pregnant**. Additional side effects may include vomiting, violent tendencies, thoughts of suicide and loss of consciousness.


She cannot be real. She must be a troll in disguise. It's like a weird religon in which they twist science so stupid people beleive it is supported by science.
Here are a few quotes:

"So the whole body has an infinitesimal amount of mass, but what is the remainder? (nods sheepishly) ...Energy! So I am energy. You are energy."

"Guess what the definition of disease is. It's not mass(!). We have transformed our energy state into something different. That is what disease is. So we should be able to re-transform our energy into a previous better state...Right? and what we do is we use light, we can use sound, we can use homeopathy"

also, in the video descr. it says; "Chemistry background helpful." :shock:

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Bruenor » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:38 am UTC

Snowdream wrote:I have relatives who are Doctor's (Legit med degree's) who have also taken certification courses in homeopathic medicines. I like the balance they have, as my one aunt who is a Doctor says "Aloe Vera might be nice for a light burn, but sometimes you just need the skin-graft."


There is zero evidence for homoeopathy. Homeopathy is, at best, a very expensive placebo, and at worst, practitioners lying to and preying on vulnerable patients for their money, with no regard to their wellbeing. However, aloe vera isn't homoeopathy, that's herbal/alternative medicine. Herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years, then we tested it all, and the stuff that worked became "medicine". And the rest of it is just tea, soup and pot-pourri.

elrunethe2nd wrote:We have women up for stoning, over-the-counter pills you can buy which can kill you and more problems to report on than ever and this webcomic attacks one of the more harmless questionable medicines out there..


Homeopathy is FAR from harmless. Not only does it take money away from people that can rarely afford it, practitioners often convince patients to ignore modern medicine and exclusively use "water" to cure all their problems, with obvious consequences.

Edit: terrible spelling.
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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Ph0X » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:44 am UTC

I, for one, loved this comic.
Unlike all the others who criticize you for attacking obscure stuff, I would actually like to thank you.

I personally hadn't heard of Homeopathy, and because of this comic, I got to watch two extremely informative videos about the subject (James Randi's and Richard Dawkins').
And to finish it off, I just finished watching that extremely funny video of the girl explaining Homeopathy, and it made my day.

Now, I'm in a good mood and I also can sleep smarter!
What a great night (:

EDIT: Also, except in the alt-text of this comic, in all the rest that I read about the subject, I didn't see anyone talking about Placebo.
To me, it's quite obvious that the whole medicine runs on it, and tbh, except the fact that they suck the money and tax out of people, I believe placebo works to some extent.
Of course, for serious diseases, it's important to get real medication, but sleeping/pain pills are bad for your body anyways, and if you can achieve the same by tricking your mind, then what's the problem (of course, ignoring the price).
But then again, such placebo's wouldn't work unless you spend a shit-load of money on it.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Idhan » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:26 am UTC

OTOH, if homeopathic medicine devotees try to use 30x diluted fertility treatments (or contraceptives -- doesn't make much difference, I guess) as a contraceptive, then perhaps belief in homeopathy is evolutionarily selected for. After all, involuntary pregnancy may be detrimental to happiness, autonomy, and fulfillment in life, but it's probably evolutionarily adaptive vis-à-vis practicing effective contraception.

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Postby 3_of_8 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:32 am UTC

Oh finally...

I really appreciate this comic. I am a strong opponent of homoeopathy and all this other bollocks disguised as "alternative medicine". My anaesthesist performed acupuncture on me during surgery, "against the pain", without telling me before. Ironically, the acupuncture caused more pain than the surgery itself. My orthopaedist then prescribed some homoeopathic pills, against the swelling, 10 € a bottle (about $12.50) - which, of course, I would have had to pay myself. Needless to say, I never filled that prescription.
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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby cmdrfire » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:35 am UTC

Madtentacle wrote:
demadaha wrote:Also, I have a strong dislike, of homeopathy after hearing phrases like "you can just cross out the mass in E=MC^2."*


*disclaimer: Following this link may result in nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach and diarrhea. Do not view if you have faith in humanity, have a weak heart or are pregnant**. Additional side effects may include vomiting, violent tendencies, thoughts of suicide and loss of consciousness.


She cannot be real. She must be a troll in disguise. It's like a weird religon in which they twist science so stupid people beleive it is supported by science.
Here are a few quotes:

"So the whole body has an infinitesimal amount of mass, but what is the remainder? (nods sheepishly) ...Energy! So I am energy. You are energy."

"Guess what the definition of disease is. It's not mass(!). We have transformed our energy state into something different. That is what disease is. So we should be able to re-transform our energy into a previous better state...Right? and what we do is we use light, we can use sound, we can use homeopathy"

also, in the video descr. it says; "Chemistry background helpful." :shock:


Watching that turned my brain into porridge. I had to give up after 4 minutes because it started hurting too much.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Patashu » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:38 am UTC

elrunethe2nd wrote:Oh man this comic pissed me off. Rather than being, you know, relevant, interesting, important or you know, decent, it is 'Randall Attacks Obscure Medicine!'.
We have women up for stoning, over-the-counter pills you can buy which can kill you and more problems to report on than ever and this webcomic attacks one of the more harmless questionable medicines out there.

xenny wrote:I've no real interest (or belief) in homeopathy but I guess I found that comment a bit disrespectful.

Exactly. Go and declare all religions a sham first, and leave the small-time snake oil dealers alone.


There are plenty of people who stake their credibility on and use alternative medicines, but a comic like this won't convince anyone who wasn't already convinced.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby cynicalbastard » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:40 am UTC

I'd like ro second
Bruenor wrote:Homeopathy is FAR from harmless. Not only just it take money away from people that can rarely afford, practitioners often convince patients to ignore modern medicine and exclusively use "water" to cure all their problems, with obvious consequences.


with the addition that some believers in homeopathy also try to keep their kids away from real medicine, prefering to take them to their favourite homeopath.
This is not harmless fun anymore, more like attempted murder.
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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby snowyowl » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:41 am UTC

Patashu wrote:There are plenty of people who stake their credibility on and use alternative medicines, but a comic like this won't convince anyone who wasn't already convinced.

It's not worthless though. A few people like Ph0x up there hadn't heard of homeopathy, and now they are convinced. To me, that counts as progress.
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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Invertin » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:50 am UTC

demadaha wrote:Also, I have a strong dislike, of homeopathy after hearing phrases like "you can just cross out the mass in E=MC^2."*

We all agree that 1 + 1 = 2, right? So if we just cross out the first 1, and the + sign, now 1 = 2. I am a genius.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby matko5 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:54 am UTC

Patashu wrote:There are plenty of people who stake their credibility on and use alternative medicines, but a comic like this won't convince anyone who wasn't already convinced.


Thus, we laugh at the fools.
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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Mystyk » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:31 am UTC

Brings a whole new meaning to "succussion"...

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Switch31 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:41 am UTC

This one was kinda funny, but also definitely kinda gross.
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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby radtea » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:41 am UTC

To the clown who implied there's something wrong with being disrespectful toward people's contra-evidence beliefs: what? Seriously. You've said "it seems disrespectful" as if you think that's a bad thing. What exactly do you think is wrong with it?

I can see that mocking contra-evidence beliefs might piss off the people who have them, which might tend to make them cling to them more fervently, but other than that I can't for the life of me think of anything that might be the least bit problematic with the practice.

Children and bullies are concerned with "respect". Grown-ups are content to be left alone, ignored or mocked, and anyone who lives their life based on evidence and reason is very, very used to getting mocked. Curiously enough I have never heard anyone tell religious nutjobs who don't believe in evolution or the germ theory of disease (which is, after all, only a theory) that they should show those of us who live by evidence and reason more respect.
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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Ephemeron » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:51 am UTC

The alt text in today's comic seems just as abusive as the last one, but aimed at a much more deserving target. Well done, Randall.

Ephemeron (in another thread) wrote:I won't participate in this debate, but all I say is it's a shame Randall didn't pick on a more deserving target, such as homeopaths, astrologists, 2012-doomsdayers, etc... Then we'd be having a laugh in this thread.


Do you think he listened? Okay, you know what I'm thinking. Randall, get out of my head!

On that subject, I have also been using the word 'homeopath' as an insult in the real world, as a word for someone who acts stupid, particularly one who fusses over negligible quantities of something. I hope it will catch on. It is a distant dream that the insult will eventually be shortened to 'ho' and/or 'homo', replacing their current definitions.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby uncivlengr » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:01 pm UTC

Come on, we've all seen James Randi do a presentation on how homeopathy works, but Randall managed to botch it? Homeopaths using diluted semen as birth control would have been a much funnier premise for the comic, and more importantly, not completely backwards.

Snowdream wrote:by the way - what definitions are we using for 'homeopathic?'

I mean, does putting aloe-vera on to treat a sun-burn count as 'homeopathic?' Or what about drinking specific tea's to wake a person up, or put a person to sleep, to relax, for good health, etc...

Does eating a specific diet (More lettuce for more fiber) qualify as homeopathic?

Or are we counting homeopathic as: "Try this pill made of the finest sand found on earth, and it will cure your cancer!"
You're confusing naturopathy with homeopathy. The things you described, like aloe-vera and specialty teas, don't fall under any definition of homeopathy.
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Postby Patashu » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:40 pm UTC

radtea wrote:I can see that mocking contra-evidence beliefs might piss off the people who have them, which might tend to make them cling to them more fervently, but other than that I can't for the life of me think of anything that might be the least bit problematic with the practice.


Perhaps the fact that the more you mock, the less opportunity you get to incite rational inquiry as to how homeopathy is claimed to work and how it couldn't possibly, or showing its effect in trials, or whatever. Honey, vinegar, etc.

A joke like the one in the comic can be funny, but as a source of inquiry it's picking at the lowest of all hanging fruits. Anyone who already practices homeopathy or takes homeopathic medicine knows that they're being diluted. It'd be like telling a young earth creationist that they're wrong because the universe is actually billions of years old - they'll be all like, "Nuh-uh!" and nothing has been gained. Instead, a better approach is "Come, look at these fossil layers we've unearthed. Let's have a chat about them." or an equivalent.

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Now that's a coincidence ...

Postby headcrowny » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:50 pm UTC

I ended the last week with homeopathy and xkcd starts it with same. It's a cosmic coincidence.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Singulaire » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:57 pm UTC

I'm thinking it's like this:
Couple fails to get pregenant, so they decide to apply homeopathy. Since the normal method failed to work, they figure the man's spermatozoa are contraceptive, so they dilute it to cure, erm, contraception...
That sounded better in my head.
If the man's sperm is acidic, it might work (well, it won't, but if I manage to make one person think about acidic sperm, that makes it all worthwhile).

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Re: "Homeopathy" Discussion

Postby SirMustapha » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:01 pm UTC

scottgoblue314 wrote:Wait wait wait if homeopaths believe that the dilution cures the symptoms exhibited by healthy individuals who are administered the concentration, wouldn't homeopaths use dilute semen as a means of terminating pregnancy?


And do you think Randall would know/care about something like that? Remember, kids: Randall is not actually worried about inaccuracies, he is a pedant. There is a subtle difference there.

homeopaths would never read a comic as erudite as xkcd and thus won't learn the error of their ways no matter how obvious you make it.


And music teachers would never listen to an artist as erudite as Lady Gaga. Assholes, you!

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby Kendo_Bunny » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:25 pm UTC

Snowdream wrote:I'm on the fence about homeopathic medicines.

I have relatives who are Doctor's (Legit med degree's) who have also taken certification courses in homeopathic medicines. I like the balance they have, as my one aunt who is a Doctor says "Aloe Vera might be nice for a light burn, but sometimes you just need the skin-graft."

Alternative medicine has it's place, but people who are 100% alternative are nuts, and living very dangerous lives.


That's not homeopathy, that's naturopathy. Herbal medicine actually has active ingredients, and can actually have an effect. Because of that, people need to be careful to write down any herbal supplements they're taking, because they may have interactions with other pills (for example, milk thistle can help increase liver efficiency - which can prevent the birth control pill from being metabolized properly). Things with active ingredients affect the body in some way when they're ingested, which homeopathic remedies don't.

I actually work in a health food store, so I've read plenty of books on the subjects of homeopathy and naturopathy. I have never and will never recommend a homeopathic remedy to anyone. I will suggest herbs based on what people tell me, but I let them know that they are not as powerful as prescription drugs and may interfere with prescription drugs. If anyone wants to start on a new herb, I tell them to talk to their doctors.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby jacog » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:33 pm UTC

Patashu wrote:It'd be like telling a young earth creationist that they're wrong because the universe is actually billions of years old - they'll be all like, "Nuh-uh!" and nothing has been gained. Instead, a better approach is "Come, look at these fossil layers we've unearthed. Let's have a chat about them." or an equivalent.


Hehe, you haven't spoken to too many creationists then. ;) I invite you to go over to http://www.answersingenesis.org and have a look there. They have all kinds of "scientific explainations" that "prove" the earth is 6000 years old. Anything you show them will be met with some form of pseudo-science answer.

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Re: "Dilution" Discussion

Postby SomeRandomPyro » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:41 pm UTC

Patashu wrote:
radtea wrote:I can see that mocking contra-evidence beliefs might piss off the people who have them, which might tend to make them cling to them more fervently, but other than that I can't for the life of me think of anything that might be the least bit problematic with the practice.


Perhaps the fact that the more you mock, the less opportunity you get to incite rational inquiry as to how homeopathy is claimed to work and how it couldn't possibly, or showing its effect in trials, or whatever. Honey, vinegar, etc.


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Re: "Dilution" discussion

Postby cream wobbly » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:44 pm UTC

helo darqness wrote:Im reminded of Tim Minchin's brilliant beat poem on skepticism-religious/homeopathic bullshit:

http://podblack.com/2008/12/little-kitt ... ins-storm/


Another bit from it; more relevant I think:

Science adjusts its beliefs based on what’s observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.
If you show me
That, say, homeopathy works,
Then I will change my mind
I’ll spin on a fucking dime
I’ll be embarrassed as hell,
But I will run through the streets yelling
It’s a miracle! Take physics and bin it!
Water has memory!
And while its memory of a long lost drop of onion juice is infinite
It somehow forgets all the poo it’s had in it!


“Poo”. Quite. Committed to memory for quothing.


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