0769: "War"

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0769: "War"

Postby LucasBrown » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:39 am UTC

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Alt text: "They offered to make me a green beret, but I liked my regular one. Although it gets kind of squashed under my helmet."

Holy cow! Colors!
Also... Randall seems to be on a streak.
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby link3000 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:40 am UTC

I really liked this comic. And dammit! You beat me to the punch.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Born2killx » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:40 am UTC

There were colors three comics ago. :roll:

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby sourmìlk » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:42 am UTC

Can somebody explain the reference? I feel like I'm rather uncultured for missing it :/
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Orca » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:46 am UTC

Hahah a good one (finally).
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby JordanM » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:48 am UTC

The alt text reference to a beret seems to be referring to the Existentialist.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby sourmìlk » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:51 am UTC

JordanM wrote:The alt text reference to a beret seems to be referring to the Existentialist.


I mean the comic itself. I know about the scone-addict.
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby glasnt » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:55 am UTC

I hope he knows she can't see that message... unless that's actually an iPad.. with a rugged cover...

I doubt either paper or an iPad would survive the conflict.



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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby ELProphet » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:57 am UTC

I'm really not getting the reference to Cordelia...

Off the top of my head, we have Cordelia Chase, from the Buffyverse, but she's not in any wars per se- and certainly not as a sniper or infantrycheerleader.

Cordelia, King Lear's youngest and honest daughter, but again, not a woman who is in an infantry war.

A quick trip to wikipedia then gives:
Queen Cordelia, the queen the play was based on.
Cordelia Flakk, a minor character in the Thursday Next series.
Cordelia Abbott, from The Young and the Restless.
Nancy Callahan's alias in Frank Miller's Sin City series.

Anyone else with an idea?

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby phlip » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:58 am UTC

sourm`ilk wrote:Can somebody explain the reference? I feel like I'm rather uncultured for missing it :/

Does there have to be a reference? It's funny enough without one.

If there is a reference, I missed it...

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby sourmìlk » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:58 am UTC

glasnt wrote:I hope he knows she can't see that message... unless that's actually an iPad.. with a rugged cover...

I doubt either paper or an iPad would survive the conflict.



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Obviously he's sending the letter just before the grenades.
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby atomfullerene » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:06 am UTC

....war never changes

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:06 am UTC

ELProphet wrote:I'm really not getting the reference to Cordelia...

Off the top of my head, we have Cordelia Chase, from the Buffyverse, but she's not in any wars per se- and certainly not as a sniper or infantrycheerleader.
But there is a pretty awesome fanfic where she ends up in the army with a maroon Airborne beret, not that I'd know anything about that as I've never watched the show.

Anyhow, it's been a long time since I've not gotten an xkcd as much as this and the comments thus far haven't helped much.
It's slightly funny on it's own but I feel like I'm missing something big.
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby choginga » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:15 am UTC

It seems to be a reference to Russian female snipers in WWII in general.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby phillipsjk » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:21 am UTC

I got the impression the two characters represent two armies or countries at war. It is not like the mail will go through during a fire-fight.

It is a gentle reminder that the "enemy" has feelings too.
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Mavrisa » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:25 am UTC

sourmìlk wrote:Obviously he's sending the letter just before the grenades.

Or perhaps with the grenade, for all that it would matter. I never saw the movie, but wasn't this sortof the idea behind Mr. and Mrs. Smith?
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby RockoTDF » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:30 am UTC

ELProphet wrote:I'm really not getting the reference to Cordelia...


I think it is just a generic old fashioned name meant to evoke memories of letters like this in literature or old war movies.

I hope that modern humor can't just be reduced to references to other things.
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby lundse » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:34 am UTC

ELProphet wrote:I'm really not getting the reference to Cordelia...


Cordelia is the girl seduced in The Seducer's Diary by Kierkegaard. Which is why it bothers me that I do not get the Existentialist reference someone else mentioned...

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby from canada » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:39 am UTC

Don't worry guys, you can still be part of the "in-crowd" even though you're clearly not intelligent enough to get today's hilarious xkcd reference.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Sissyphus » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:44 am UTC

I don't know about the Kierkegaard reference, or the Existentialist reference, but when I read it I couldn't help but think of Tim O'Briens The Things They Carried, specifically the story Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong, though the girl in that story is a Mary Anne, not a Cordelia.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby HighSpeedFallingObjects » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:35 am UTC

Sissyphus wrote:I don't know about the Kierkegaard reference, or the Existentialist reference, but when I read it I couldn't help but think of Tim O'Briens The Things They Carried, specifically the story Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong, though the girl in that story is a Mary Anne, not a Cordelia.


By the existentialist, I thought they were talking about the existentialist character from previous comics, or the one who wears a black beret and loves scones. Is there a movie or something by the same name?

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby mbrigdan » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:38 am UTC

I thought Randall was taking the saying "Love is a battlefield" literally, but maybe that's too simple.
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby JustDoug » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:46 am UTC

Gamer romance, perhaps?

In any event, I'm sure Ken Burns would approve.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby ConMan » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:53 am UTC

I assumed he just meant "green beret" as in the troop of commandos, so the commanding officers have suggested this guy become a commando but he interpreted it as receiving a new hat. It's like the old joke of the guy who tells the genie "make me a sandwich!" and the next thing he know's he's a pastrami on rye.
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby sje46 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:13 am UTC

choginga wrote:It seems to be a reference to Russian female snipers in WWII in general.

But we didn't fight the USSR in WW2. We fought with them.
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Anomander » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:26 am UTC

ELProphet wrote:I'm really not getting the reference to Cordelia...

Off the top of my head, we have Cordelia Chase, from the Buffyverse, but she's not in any wars per se- and certainly not as a sniper or infantrycheerleader.

Anyone else with an idea?

What popped into my head was Cordelia Naismith from Shards of Honor by Lois McMaster Bujold. Thats certainely both a war and romance reference at least :-)

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Kalos » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:40 am UTC

Way to just rewrite xkcd #101.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Arancaytar » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:02 am UTC

ELProphet wrote:I'm really not getting the reference to Cordelia...

Off the top of my head, we have Cordelia Chase, from the Buffyverse, but she's not in any wars per se- and certainly not as a sniper or infantrycheerleader.

Cordelia, King Lear's youngest and honest daughter, but again, not a woman who is in an infantry war.

A quick trip to wikipedia then gives:
Queen Cordelia, the queen the play was based on.
Cordelia Flakk, a minor character in the Thursday Next series.
Cordelia Abbott, from The Young and the Restless.
Nancy Callahan's alias in Frank Miller's Sin City series.

Anyone else with an idea?


I thought of Cordelia Naismith from Bujold's Vorkosigan series (who actually is a soldier who later marries an enemy) but that's also kind of a stretch. It sounds more like a random name.
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Chrisfs » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:06 am UTC

I think people are looking too hard into this one.
This is simply a humorous recreation of a WWII soldier writing a letter to a 'loved one' from the battlefield. Cordelia is an old fashioned name. Green Berets were the name of an elite special forces unit. Raspberry Beret was a song by Prince.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Kalos » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:08 am UTC

Chrisfs wrote:I think people are looking too hard into this one.
This is simply a humorous recreation of a WWII soldier writing a letter to a 'loved one' from the battlefield. Cordelia is an old fashioned name. Green Berets were the name of an elite special forces unit. Raspberry Beret was a song by Prince.

And it's all just a repeat of a joke that was already dated the first time Randall did it (in a much funnier way).

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby oddtail » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:18 am UTC

RockoTDF wrote:I hope that modern humor can't just be reduced to references to other things.


This, and if there was a reference, I missed it, so I hope there was none. But really, I couldn't agree more. Modern culture is already scarily self-referential.

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choginga wrote:It seems to be a reference to Russian female snipers in WWII in general.

But we didn't fight the USSR in WW2. We fought with them.


I went "huh?" until I remembered that by the time USA joined the war, the Soviet Union had already switched sides... seems today is my Stupid Day.

(incidentally, it never ceases to amaze me how well the "we'll win the war whoever wins, we'll just switch allegiances accordingly, it's not like anyone will react" tactics worked for the Soviets. Now that's a win-win situation)

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby phlip » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:19 am UTC

Kalos wrote:And it's all just a repeat of a joke that was already dated the first time Randall did it (in a much funnier way).

Wait, so if he simply uses a common joke (as in 101) it's "dated", but when he uses a changed joke that's within 2 or 3 degrees of separation of a common joke, it's "just a repeat" that was "much funnier" the first time? Just making sure I'm reading you right here...

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby TheoGB » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:37 am UTC

oddtail wrote:(incidentally, it never ceases to amaze me how well the "we'll win the war whoever wins, we'll just switch allegiances accordingly, it's not like anyone will react" tactics worked for the Soviets. Now that's a win-win situation)


What was the other quote? Something about how France, having already lost the Second World War turned round and won it at the end.



I don't believe there are any references in this comic. It's just a silly piece of humour based on WWI or WWII love letters. Also, he's going to attach the letter to the grenades.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby chef007c » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:46 am UTC

My first impression was that he and Cordelia are playing a game like Call Of Duty online. And the passionate letter is a sign that Cordelia is his girlfriend. Her missed shots gave her position away, like on a game map.

No idea about the alt text though. Maybe it's meant to show someone that knows plenty about playing war, but nothing about military in real life?
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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby Madtentacle » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:48 am UTC

RockoTDF wrote:(incidentally, it never ceases to amaze me how well the "we'll win the war whoever wins, we'll just switch allegiances accordingly, it's not like anyone will react" tactics worked for the Soviets. Now that's a win-win situation)

Hitler attacked the Soviet, and this was probably why the Allies could invade Normandy. My point being, they did not switch allegiances 'cause the other side was winning, but because they were invaded. That being said, Communists and Nazis as allies didn't quite make sense to begin with.

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Re: War. Who is Cordelia?

Postby dragon and tiger » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:50 am UTC

:wink: Cordelia is also a character wrote by Kierkegaard, from the Diary of the Seducer (part of the work Either/Or), which explores -unsurprisingly- de nature of seduction and features a number letters . Perhaps this would explain the beret reference.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby peteispo » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:52 am UTC

oddtail wrote:I went "huh?" until I remembered that by the time USA joined the war, the Soviet Union had already switched sides... seems today is my Stupid Day.


What? Have you been reading American history books again?
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I think you've confused USSR with Italy, who did indeed change sides half-way through, having started out supporting the Germans (who's politics more closely match Mussolini's Fascism)...

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby pegasos989 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:27 am UTC

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choginga wrote:It seems to be a reference to Russian female snipers in WWII in general.

But we didn't fight the USSR in WW2. We fought with them.


I'm finnish, you insensitive clod. We fought against the soviets (which had the side effect of making us allied with the nazis).



Now, I don't know what is this thing about USSR switching sides. They never did that and it was clear from the beginning that they were going to fight against the nazis. Hell, I don't know how much you americans are actually taught non-american history, but when hitler rose to power, the communists were perhaps his main opposition. He actually went pretty far in order to get them outlawed. (Which he succeeded at) And for the first year or so of it's existance, the famous french resistance consisted pretty much of the communist youth (they went and shot german officers, germany responded by executing 50 young commies, a hundred more joined the cause... and that happened in a loop). When it came to actual war, soviets were far, far, far more important player than the USA (not that USA wasn't useful tie-breaker at the west and especially with all the resources USA had as it was far enough to not be bombed to the ground as most of Europe was). One way to look at this is the casuality table. It is not a perfect indicator but the "USA casualities: 400 000, soviet casualities: 10 000 000" does mean something.


Now, what you might be thinking of is that Germany and USSR had kind of a temporary non aggression treaty for a while. Molotov-Ribbentrop -pact The idea was that the germany and soviets could first concentrate on getting their shit together and expand a little before they would clash. Hitler did break that pact, however.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby sween64 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:47 am UTC

I came in here just for the sake of it, not because I thought I "missed" a reference. I think there is no cultural, literary reference and I like it that way. A fantastic comic.

Even if there was an intentional reference by Mr Munroe it was either too obscure or not presented well.

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Re: "War" discussion (#769)

Postby darthdavid » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:59 am UTC

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sje46 wrote:
choginga wrote:It seems to be a reference to Russian female snipers in WWII in general.

But we didn't fight the USSR in WW2. We fought with them.


I'm finnish, you insensitive clod. We fought against the soviets (which had the side effect of making us allied with the nazis).



Now, I don't know what is this thing about USSR switching sides. They never did that and it was clear from the beginning that they were going to fight against the nazis. Hell, I don't know how much you americans are actually taught non-american history, but when hitler rose to power, the communists were perhaps his main opposition. He actually went pretty far in order to get them outlawed. (Which he succeeded at) And for the first year or so of it's existance, the famous french resistance consisted pretty much of the communist youth (they went and shot german officers, germany responded by executing 50 young commies, a hundred more joined the cause... and that happened in a loop). When it came to actual war, soviets were far, far, far more important player than the USA (not that USA wasn't useful tie-breaker at the west and especially with all the resources USA had as it was far enough to not be bombed to the ground as most of Europe was). One way to look at this is the casuality table. It is not a perfect indicator but the "USA casualities: 400 000, soviet casualities: 10 000 000" does mean something.


Now, what you might be thinking of is that Germany and USSR had kind of a temporary non aggression treaty for a while. Molotov-Ribbentrop -pact The idea was that the germany and soviets could first concentrate on getting their shit together and expand a little before they would clash. Hitler did break that pact, however.

Actually, while both sides fully intended to turn on each other the Nazis and the Soviets did cooperate during the invasion of Poland. Germany invaded and while it was pretty clear that they we're going to win (especially with the allies talking big, but not walking the walk) the Polish army did acquit itself fairly well in the face of superior equipment, numbers and tactics and was preparing to firm up their defenses and make the Nazis work for it at least, at which point 800k Soviet soldiers showed up and gave them a(n) (un)healthy dose of surprise-buttsecks, compounded by the fact that the Poles had moved pretty much their entire army to their western border to try and stand up against the Germans. In fact, up until Barbarossa the USSR occupied slightly more Polish territory than Germany (which makes the post-war allied abandonment of Poland to the USSR even more despicable).

And while I won't deny that the USSR played the biggest role of any nation in defeating the Nazis, and would have almost certainly won in the end with or without help, it's important to remember that a significant amount of the equipment they used in their fight was lend-leased (which was doubly important because the influx of American made materiel let the Soviet factories focus on making the things they were best at making and allocate their resources in the best manner possible (and given Germany's lack of a heavy bomber their factories were pretty much unassailable once the Soviets had basically packed up their entire industrial base and schlepped it to the other side of the Urals...).


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