0794: "Inside Joke"

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0794: "Inside Joke"

Postby Mike_Bson » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:06 am UTC

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Alt- ''I've looked through a few annotated versions of classic books, and it's shocking how much of what's in there is basically pop-culture references totally lost on us now.''

Never thought about this.Wonder what said people found funny in this way.
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion #974

Postby The Scyphozoa » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:08 am UTC

Needs link, alt-text, and commentary. EDIT: (okay you're getting there)

Anyway, "there's a monk out back with a ladder" is totally going to become a new inside joke in my circle of friends.
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion #974

Postby myrcutio » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:11 am UTC

am i the only one that sees a problem with a possible muslim buying a ham from a possible jew? My observations are based entirely on a TV-educated stereotype of what muslims and jews look like btw.
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion #974

Postby montagfaber » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:13 am UTC

Wow! Terrible! I hope a bunch of high school robotics kids like this kind of joke!

The "joke" is just... everyone has inside jokes with their respective social circles, even back then.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion #974

Postby BlueNight » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:13 am UTC

It's almost like people of the past were REAL PEOPLE who lived life like we do, with the daily mundane outweighing the historicity of the time they were living.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Sean Quixote » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:17 am UTC

Do you bite your thumb at us, sir?

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:20 am UTC

Half of Shakespeare was in-jokes, double entendres, plays within plays with plays on words, and/or self-references. Oh, and sex jokes. "That's a fair thought to lie between a maid's legs!" "Do you think I meant country matters?" Both from Hamlet.

I can just imagine all the complaints about the downfall of society that have been said in ages past. In "Wealth of Nations", people were complaining that education was declining rapidly due to poor standards. I'm sure many playwrights would complain about how the Theatre Industry was churning out mass-produced rubbish that existed only to inflate the egos of the stars involved, or people would complain that the Orchestra Industry had a lack of talent and that all modern songs sounded bland and identical.

Hell, even my Great-Grandfather claimed that Brown v Board of Education was going to be the downfall of American Education.
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Steve the Pocket » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:29 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:I can just imagine all the complaints about the downfall of society that have been said in ages past. In "Wealth of Nations", people were complaining that education was declining rapidly due to poor standards. I'm sure many playwrights would complain about how the Theatre Industry was churning out mass-produced rubbish that existed only to inflate the egos of the stars involved, or people would complain that the Orchestra Industry had a lack of talent and that all modern songs sounded bland and identical.

I was just talking about this the other day, after looking at old music videos on YouTube and the comments that "back then they made REAL music, not the Justin Bieber/Miley Cyrus crap they're churning out nowadays." I realized that most of the popular stuff from our era will fall through the cracks, just like the dregs of the "good old days," but I did find myself wondering what "REAL music" is being produced nowadays that will be regarded as classics, and why I clearly haven't heard any of it.
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Aradae » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:32 am UTC

Les miserables, part 1, book 3, chapter 1, In the year 1817.

My unabridged copy contains 87 annotations for that chapter alone. The whole book is just one giant 19th century French pop culture reference after another.
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby AlsoPenCover » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:32 am UTC

Are you kidding me? Is this news to randall?

The alt text especially.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby atomfullerene » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:34 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:
I can just imagine all the complaints about the downfall of society that have been said in ages past. In "Wealth of Nations", people were complaining that education was declining rapidly due to poor standards. I'm sure many playwrights would complain about how the Theatre Industry was churning out mass-produced rubbish that existed only to inflate the egos of the stars involved, or people would complain that the Orchestra Industry had a lack of talent and that all modern songs sounded bland and identical.


Oh, it's much, much older than that. There are complaints about the decline of culture going all the way back to cuneiform tablets.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:35 am UTC

I wonder just how much of various religious works consists solely of inside jokes
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby baf » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:35 am UTC

This makes me think of Dante in particular. Half the people in Hell seem to be either local politicians or characters in novels Dante liked.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby JohnTheWysard » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:37 am UTC

... and the parrot started shrieking, "AWWWWK! Pieces of nine! Pieces of nine!"

"Shouldn't that be Pieces of Eight?"

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:38 am UTC

Even the story about Sodom and Gomorrah was about what happens when Holy Nomads give up their life of wandering to settle down and build something permanent in those Evil cities.

Cracked did an article about how Dante's Inferno was a giant retort to all the people who had kicked Dante out of whatever city he was in previously.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Cal Engime » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:51 am UTC

Steve the Pocket wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:I can just imagine all the complaints about the downfall of society that have been said in ages past. In "Wealth of Nations", people were complaining that education was declining rapidly due to poor standards. I'm sure many playwrights would complain about how the Theatre Industry was churning out mass-produced rubbish that existed only to inflate the egos of the stars involved, or people would complain that the Orchestra Industry had a lack of talent and that all modern songs sounded bland and identical.

I was just talking about this the other day, after looking at old music videos on YouTube and the comments that "back then they made REAL music, not the Justin Bieber/Miley Cyrus crap they're churning out nowadays." I realized that most of the popular stuff from our era will fall through the cracks, just like the dregs of the "good old days," but I did find myself wondering what "REAL music" is being produced nowadays that will be regarded as classics, and why I clearly haven't heard any of it.
Allow me to make some suggestions.

"My Old Ways" by Dr. Dog - Like Steely Dan, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, and Abe Vigoda, not one person.
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:17 am UTC

I liked "In the Sun", the others, alright but not my favorites.

You should add Massive Attack and RJD2 to your list.

You've probably heard the ones I linked to, being the theme-songs of House and Mad Men respectively. For RJD2, "Smoke and Mirrors" and my all time favorite, "Ghostwriter". For Mass~, also look for "Dissolved Girl", "Live with Me", and "Angel". The music video for Live with Me is rather, well, let's just say it reminds me of something Darren Aronofsky would do.

Also, Bloodsport by Sneaker Pimps.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby grafpa » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:34 am UTC

Aradae wrote:Les miserables, part 1, book 3, chapter 1, In the year 1817.

My unabridged copy contains 87 annotations for that chapter alone. The whole book is just one giant 19th century French pop culture reference after another.


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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby War_Hero » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:35 am UTC

I like your taste in music.

Anyways I really liked this comic, it reminded me of reading the annotated alice in wonderland.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Pfhorrest » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:40 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:I can just imagine all the complaints about the downfall of society that have been said in ages past


"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." --Socrates (via Plato), 4th century B.C.

And lets not forget:

"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint." -- Hesiod, 7th century B.C.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby punto » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:52 am UTC

did Randall just discover Shakespeare? that's so cute

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Gamer_2k4 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:59 am UTC

You know, Randy, if you don't have something funny to say (and how could you not? It's literally ALL YOU DO), it's perfectly acceptable to not post a comic. There's no reason to think people didn't have inside jokes back in the day? Okay, who said otherwise? Was someone trying to convince you that humor only began recently? "It's okay that you're not funny, Randall...humor is a pretty new invention, after all." Was it something like that?

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Argos » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:22 am UTC

I think we found a new way why this comic is "unsuitable for liberal-arts majors".

So give it a break, all you literature post-grads.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby pbnjstowell » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:31 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:Kids these days, y'know? I mean... those days. No wonder the world is so messed up, if kids like those ended up in charge.


It's the same thing, happening over and over, and it's been going on for centuries!

Maybe all the 'in our day, kids were taught to behave better' is just a bluff to guilt your kids into behaving better... or else we've forgotten how wild we actually were, and so we complain about the next generation.

I guess we all want our kids to be better than we were, so maybe if we tell them we were raised better, they'll turn out at least as good as we did.
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby felix » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:38 am UTC

The cool thing to remember is that when you think of people in "history", think "kids". Consider the median age way back in the olden days. We're talking numbers like 17 rather than the late twenties or early thirties of today's 1st Worldia.

Put another way, they were all a bunch of teenagers. So the teen-joke factor would have been real high. Or bleary, 'cause they were also a bunch of lushes.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby facefive » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:06 am UTC

haha that was awesome...

so if i got this right...

A muslim buying ham from a jew is too much? nah...too much is that there's a monk with a ladder in the back...not one of them monk prayer meditation ladders but an actual ladder trying to use it to get to heaven hahahahahaha

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Cal Engime » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:56 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:I liked "In the Sun", the others, alright but not my favorites.

You should add Massive Attack and RJD2 to your list.

You've probably heard the ones I linked to, being the theme-songs of House and Mad Men respectively. For RJD2, "Smoke and Mirrors" and my all time favorite, "Ghostwriter". For Mass~, also look for "Dissolved Girl", "Live with Me", and "Angel". The music video for Live with Me is rather, well, let's just say it reminds me of something Darren Aronofsky would do.

Also, Bloodsport by Sneaker Pimps.

Oh! Forgot Gained the World by Morcheeba.
Those are all really cool! I think it's a shame that so many people are unaware of this music and just go on thinking that mankind has lost the ability to produce any music other than mass produced pop songs for preteen girls.

Edit: Speaking of which, whatever happened to the Jonas Brothers? I haven't heard of them since Justin Bieber cornered the market on mass produced pop songs for preteen girls.

Also, I will add to my list

"I'm Not Gonna Cry" by Sharon Jones and the Dap-Kings - No, this was not recorded in 1967.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby tenseiga » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:24 am UTC

oh k. Can someone explain this one to me? I dont understand the 9 silvers or the monk ladder reference.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Zak McKracken » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:36 am UTC

pbnjstowell wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:Kids these days, y'know? I mean... those days. No wonder the world is so messed up, if kids like those ended up in charge.


It's the same thing, happening over and over, and it's been going on for centuries!

Maybe all the 'in our day, kids were taught to behave better' is just a bluff to guilt your kids into behaving better...


I think it's all down to selective memory. When you were a little kid, summers were warmer and winters had more snow but weren't so cold. You went bathing every day in summer and ice-skating or sledding every day in winter. (That's supposing you grew up in a temperate zone ... not sure how people closer to the equator remember the weather during their childhood). When I actually heard about what types of practical jokes my parents (and theirs too!) were playing during their childhood, I felt sooo well-behaved!
During childhood, you also just don't get all any pop-culture references adults make, so to you they don't exist. Historical persons are icons anyway. So unless you study it, I think it's actually normal to imagine people in "historical" times to be constantly serious, toiling under whatever the problem of their time was. Even though it is clear that can't be how it actually was.


Fun game: What type of thing are the guys in the comic referencing? What must that be in order to make the situation actually funny?


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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Cal Engime » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:37 am UTC

tenseiga wrote:oh k. Can someone explain this one to me? I dont understand the 9 silvers or the monk ladder reference.
The point is that they're inside jokes, completely meaningless to anybody but the characters in the comic and their contemporaries.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Perlandria » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:45 am UTC

Is that a topknot, making the Buddha of the kneeling character potentially taking the ham out to sell (assuming that is why they are fussing with a box)?

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby NotAllThere » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:56 am UTC

I liked it. I thought that some of the metaphysical imagery was particularly effective.

My wife and I get funny looks from our kids already about some of the inside jokes that were in when we were only a little younger. There's a difference though between an inside joke and a cultural reference. "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy", isn't an inside joke. When I whisper to my spouse "wobble", and she starts giggling, that's an inside joke. Which I'm NOT going to explain as my son reads this forum and is probably already hideously embarrassed. :mrgreen:
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby jacog » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:59 am UTC

But... Who shot J.R. ?

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby ledahulevogyre » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:28 am UTC

I don't see what is so "shocking" about this.
Isn't it obvious ?

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion #974

Postby littlelj » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:19 am UTC

myrcutio wrote:am i the only one that sees a problem with a possible muslim buying a ham from a possible jew? My observations are based entirely on a TV-educated stereotype of what muslims and jews look like btw.

Me too, initially. Then I decided that that was part of the inside joke.

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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Karilyn » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:21 am UTC

Inside joke: "I'm so sorry for you ♪ (^O^) ♥ !"

Inside joke in my family. My mother was talking about how she didn't like how after she got her coffee all set up all right with cream and sugar, and took a sip, waitresses inevitably came along and added more coffee to the 90% full cup, and messed it up. The waitress, overhearing my mom, responds with the above line, in the most incredibly false-sincerity, singsongy voice ever, with a rising pitch. Everyone cracked up at the poor waitress, and it went down in history as one of our inside jokes.

jacog wrote:But... Who shot J.R. ?

An evil time traveling batman from the future?
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby SlyReaper » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:25 am UTC

My guess is this whole comic is itself an inside joke between Randall and his mates. That's why nobody else gets it.
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Mapar » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:34 am UTC

I saw this too while I read through an annotated version of Alice in Wonderland. As Carroll never intended to mass-produce his work, there's a very large amount of jokes between him and his friends.
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Postby eviloatmeal » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:46 am UTC

Now, imagine the memes of today being intergrated into the language of tomorrow.
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Re: ''Inside Joke'' Discussion (#794)

Postby Frankie » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:53 am UTC

Steve the Pocket wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:I can just imagine all the complaints about the downfall of society that have been said in ages past.

I was just talking about this the other day, after looking at old music videos on YouTube and the comments that "back then they made REAL music, not the Justin Bieber/Miley Cyrus crap they're churning out nowadays."


Drat, someone else already posted Socrates & Hesiod.


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