0845: "Modern History"

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0845: "Modern History"

Postby ddxxdd » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:09 am UTC

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Alt text: "During the week, I research my character by living in his house and raising his children."

I hope he re-enacted all of the soldier's combat training, as well.
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby edbdqt » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:13 am UTC

no "and having sex with his wife" in the Alt text? Seems only logical.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby solarion » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:36 am UTC

Okay, I liked this, but then the alt-text made me go :?

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Dasafrak » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:39 am UTC

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Mazuku » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:54 am UTC

Is this Legalised Stalking?
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Scuttlemutt » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:01 am UTC

If the guy on the right is playing the role of the guy on the left, then who is going to play the role of the guy on the right?

If that even makes sense.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby WizenedEE » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:06 am UTC

Scuttlemutt wrote:If the guy on the right is playing the role of the guy on the left, then who is going to play the role of the guy on the right?

If that even makes sense.


I don't think he's part of the "war" so nobody needs to reenact him.

I agree with solarion.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Linux0s » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:08 am UTC

I like the equipment on the reenactor. The gun looks plastic, the pack looks like it's been drawn on and the stuff on the helmet glued on. Lots of nice subtlety here.
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby jpk » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:02 am UTC

solarion wrote:Okay, I liked this, but then the alt-text made me go :?


Oh, please. The alt text is where he gets a chance to put the knife in. It's meant to make you a little uncomfortable. That's the point.

If comedy doesn't cut a little, you're probably not learning anything from it - it's a waste of your time.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby rattusprat » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:26 am UTC

WizenedEE wrote:
Scuttlemutt wrote:If the guy on the right is playing the role of the guy on the left, then who is going to play the role of the guy on the right?

If that even makes sense.


I don't think he's part of the "war" so nobody needs to reenact him.


Otherwise you would end up with a whole "Synecdoche, New York" situation.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby rpgamer » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:31 am UTC

Scuttlemutt wrote:If the guy on the right is playing the role of the guy on the left, then who is going to play the role of the guy on the right?

If that even makes sense.

Equipment for reenacting the reenactor:

Baseball cap
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Eebster the Great » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:23 am UTC

Why does xkcd.com still link to xkcd.com/844 and why does the "Next" button not bring me to xkcd.com/845 ?

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby The Boz » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:32 am UTC

Someone watched Tropic Thunder or Rain of Madness recently?
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby ron_mega » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:35 am UTC

Hey, they are both left-handed!

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Hamsvlekiss » Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:16 am UTC

No, the first guy is left-handed. He's just imitating him :D

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby solarion » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:20 am UTC

jpk wrote:
solarion wrote:Okay, I liked this, but then the alt-text made me go :?


Oh, please. The alt text is where he gets a chance to put the knife in. It's meant to make you a little uncomfortable. That's the point.

If comedy doesn't cut a little, you're probably not learning anything from it - it's a waste of your time.


Well...hm.

I don't think I'd say the alt-text was a bad thing. I think I'd compare it to a Todd Solondz movie (which I will disclaimer I haven't seen; this is based on accounts of people's moviewatching I've picked up in passing); it's worthwhile but you sort of feel queasy and horrible.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby ARandomDude » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:49 am UTC

Uncertainty Principle anyone?

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby jozwa » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:17 am UTC

I had no idea what this was all about so the "alt" text just made me lol at the sheer randomness of it all.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Dave » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:44 am UTC

I liked this, a lot.

The concept of reenacting something that is currently happening is excellent!

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Zucan » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:56 am UTC

I had just read the following article over the weekend:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18973_why-modern-war-fps-games-all-look-same-5Bchart5D.html
It made the comic even funnier for me! :lol:

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Arancaytar » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:59 am UTC

This sounds like a dangerous hobby.
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Lostdreams » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:34 pm UTC

solarion wrote:Okay, I liked this, but then the alt-text made me go :?


Agreed. It made a funny joke very quickly unfunny. The stress and waiting military families do is not funny. Even if you don't agree with war, it's still doesn't belong at the butt of a joke alt-text or not.
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby michaelyw » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:57 pm UTC

Lostdreams wrote:
solarion wrote:Okay, I liked this, but then the alt-text made me go :?
Agreed. It made a funny joke very quickly unfunny. The stress and waiting military families do is not funny. Even if you don't agree with war, it's still doesn't belong at the butt of a joke alt-text or not.

The stalker concept is mildly funny but the alt-text takes it to a different place - one that isn't funny: "I'm in your kitchen, drinking your beer. I'm in your bed, fucking your wife. I'm in your daughter's room, setting up her webcam." Etc.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby meatyochre » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:18 pm UTC

Lostdreams wrote:
solarion wrote:Okay, I liked this, but then the alt-text made me go :?


Agreed. It made a funny joke very quickly unfunny. The stress and waiting military families do is not funny. Even if you don't agree with war, it's still doesn't belong at the butt of a joke alt-text or not.

Everyone's offended by different things and that's uncontrollable and totally fine.

Great strip. I've always preferred my humor as controversial topics that get one's readership to pay fucking attention. Even if they offended me, too (which this one didn't happen to do).
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Halrandir » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:20 pm UTC

Hmm, at first the alt-text didn't bother me; I took it to mean the reenactor approached his character study like a method actor, except here instead of researching by living like the soldier would have lived, he was researching by living that person's actual life. (Another scenario of this would be someone who is portraying President Obama researching his role by living in the White House and establishing foreign policy.) I didn't get the ick factor of the alt-text till I came in here. I have to assume Randall wasn't attempting to mock, trivialize, or upset anyone with family members in the armed forces by saying the reenactor was replacing the soldier in his own home, but that is unfortunately a very easy interpretation to make.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby pegasos989 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:42 pm UTC

I don't think that Randall tried to mock anyone (and I have great difficulties in grasping how that could be interpreted as such). The stalker thing I get... Though personally I interpreted it being a bit grim statement about nothing (not even the family) feeling as real, meaningful, etc. as they should... I'm sure you've all heard plenty of expressions about living someone else's life.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby squig » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:47 pm UTC

People who are professional soldiers shouldn't have families, it's just selfish.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Lostdreams » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:51 pm UTC

Halrandir wrote:Hmm, at first the alt-text didn't bother me; I took it to mean the reenactor approached his character study like a method actor, except here instead of researching by living like the soldier would have lived, he was researching by living that person's actual life. (Another scenario of this would be someone who is portraying President Obama researching his role by living in the White House and establishing foreign policy.) I didn't get the ick factor of the alt-text till I came in here. I have to assume Randall wasn't attempting to mock, trivialize, or upset anyone with family members in the armed forces by saying the reenactor was replacing the soldier in his own home, but that is unfortunately a very easy interpretation to make.


But to reenact the soldier he wouldn't be at the soldier's house, he'd be away at war. Either way it represents the same sadness but the way it's displayed here

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it adds a tone of disrespect as well. As I said before: It's not the kind of thing you want to make a joke about.
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby clintp » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:53 pm UTC

I agree with the others.

Comic: Funny
Alt text: Tasteless and just not funny. Really. I like morbid, black, cruel humor. This wasn't any of those and just kinda pathetic.

Way to fuck it up.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Lostdreams » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:53 pm UTC

squig wrote:People who are professional soldiers shouldn't have families, it's just selfish.


That's a great idea, they'll defend your rights while you strip theirs away.
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby squig » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:00 pm UTC

Lostdreams wrote:
squig wrote:People who are professional soldiers shouldn't have families, it's just selfish.


That's a great idea, they'll defend your rights while you strip theirs away.

I didn't suggest they shouldn't have the right to have families.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby musicgeek » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:15 pm UTC

I don't think Randall is making fun of/belittling/making cheap jokes at the expense of soldiers. Rather, he's making fun of reenactors - how bizarre is it that there are large numbers of people who dress in authentic uniforms, use authentic reproduction weapons, and "play soldier,' reenacting some of the world's most horrific battlefield encounters for entertainment or as a hobby? I understand fascination with the historical periods, etc., but I think that Randall's merely carrying the idea to the logical (and ridiculous) extreme - how would we feel about people pursuing the same pasttime in a contemporary setting?

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Username4242 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:08 pm UTC

I'm thinking that many of you are far too easily offended.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby TaCktiX29 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:15 pm UTC

I registered to agree with the general consensus: the comic was funny and poked at people who take Call of Duty and such a bit too seriously. The alt-text went in a completely different, and very offensive direction. I am currently in the armed services, and while I don't have a family at present I have plenty of friends who do. Not being around your family for six+ months is hard, and one of the difficulties is the uncertainty of whether things will still work when the member gets back home. The alt-text speaks to that fear in an unintentionally cruel way.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby SirMustapha » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:38 pm UTC

jpk wrote:If comedy doesn't cut a little, you're probably not learning anything from it - it's a waste of your time.


*drumroll*
And now it's time to...

What did we learn from xkcd today?

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby michaelyw » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:20 pm UTC

musicgeek wrote:I don't think Randall is making fun of/belittling/making cheap jokes at the expense of soldiers. Rather, he's making fun of reenactors - how bizarre is it that there are large numbers of people who dress in authentic uniforms, use authentic reproduction weapons, and "play soldier,' reenacting some of the world's most horrific battlefield encounters for entertainment or as a hobby? I understand fascination with the historical periods, etc., but I think that Randall's merely carrying the idea to the logical (and ridiculous) extreme - how would we feel about people pursuing the same pasttime in a contemporary setting?

My friends might be the exception, but they're both reenactors AND present day professional soldiers.

The technology available to the modern soldier is impressive. I'm not talking just about the gadgets, the weapons, and communications gear. I'm talking about Gore-tex. I'm talking about Thinsulate. For the few people I know who do reenacting, they do it to appreciate and understand what the WWII veterans went through using the original gear. It's a whole different experience.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Gears » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:48 pm UTC

squig wrote:People who are professional soldiers shouldn't have families, it's just selfish.
Fuck you.
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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby SirMustapha » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:50 pm UTC

Also LOL U GUIS I don't get offended and that makes me COOL AND AWESOME and way better than you.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby ravenzomg » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:24 pm UTC

I like the concept behind the comic, but the dialogue seems unnecessarily long. "Will you please stop imitating everything I do" seems like a real shoe-in phrase to get the concept across, when the punchline that's it's "real-time" war reënactment clarifies it perfectly already. I still hope to see Randall take a cue from Kristian Nygård and others: Less is More in dialogue. =] The concept behind the alt-text is terrifying, but I won't touch it.

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Re: 0845: "Modern History"

Postby Odal » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:26 pm UTC

I thought it was funny. In fact the only part I laughed at was the alt text. I'm also in the military.

People in the military chose the life they're in when they decided to have a family and be in the military. It doesn't just happen. So there's no sympathy from me for people like this.

And Randall's just poking fun at a reality. If it bothers you maybe you shouldn't represent that reality. If you don't then you shouldn't be offended. Seriously... people just look for reasons to get upset.


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