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0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:02 am UTC
by ftarp
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Alt-text: "The universe is probably littered with the one-planet graves of cultures which made the sensible economic decision that there's no good reason to go into space--each discovered, studied, and remembered by the ones who made the irrational decision."

...Well that's depressing.

0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:02 am UTC
by SW15243
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Alt Text: "The universe is probably littered with the one-planet graves of cultures which made the sensible economic decision that there's no good reason to go into space--each discovered, studied, and remembered by the ones who made the irrational decision."

EDIT: Added the alt-text

Re: 893: 65 Years

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:03 am UTC
by rwald
I know, an xkcd without a title text? It really says something about the state of the world.

Also, the no-more-people-who-walked-on-other-worlds thing.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:04 am UTC
by sportsracer48
I see a trend.

Re: 0893: "65 Years" Discussion

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:04 am UTC
by duckshirt
Why assume nobody else will? It might not be in NASA's immediate plans but 20-30 years is a long time.

Re: 893: 65 Years

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:04 am UTC
by ftarp
rwald wrote:I know, an xkcd without a title text? It really says something about the state of the world.

Also, the no-more-people-who-walked-on-other-worlds thing.

Yeah, I was mostly going for the second one, there.

Re: 893: 65 Years

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:05 am UTC
by A_of_s_t
rwald wrote:I know, an xkcd without a title text? It really says something about the state of the world.

Also, the no-more-people-who-walked-on-other-worlds thing.

I too am depressed about the lack of alt text.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:06 am UTC
by SW15243
I think the chart is just in reference to people who have already walked on the moon. As in, they'll all be dead pretty quick here.

Re: 0893: 65 Years

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:08 am UTC
by phlip
There's title text now:
"The universe is probably littered with the one-planet graves of cultures which made the sensible economic decision that there's no good reason to go into space--each discovered, studied, and remembered by the ones who made the irrational decision."

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:08 am UTC
by Cal27
Edit: ninja'd

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:13 am UTC
by Doodle77
The fact that NASA has no plans to send anyone to the moon anytime soon doesn't that other nations won't.

Re: 0893: 65 Years

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:13 am UTC
by Cobramaster
May we be continue being irrational and document some graves.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:20 am UTC
by The Scyphozoa
This is marginally more intellectually stimulating than Pop Tart Cat.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:21 am UTC
by duckshirt
SW15243 wrote:I think the chart is just in reference to people who have already walked on the moon. As in, they'll all be dead pretty quick here.

Yeah, but it also seems (pessimistically) implying no one will go to the moon / Mars in the next 30 years...

Re: 0893: 65 Years

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:23 am UTC
by soren121
This strip makes absolutely no sense to me. Can I bother someone to explain it for me, please? :oops:

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:24 am UTC
by SW15243
duckshirt wrote:
SW15243 wrote:I think the chart is just in reference to people who have already walked on the moon. As in, they'll all be dead pretty quick here.

Yeah, but it also seems (pessimistically) implying no one will go to the moon / Mars in the next 30 years...

In this day and age it's 100x easier to send a robot, is the thing. I dunno if we WILL send anyone in the next 30 years.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:25 am UTC
by teucer
Reminds me of this (mp3).

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:25 am UTC
by Comic JK
I think the only think that would stop us is global nuclear war...

In which case those life bars will drop off rather more sharply.

Re: 0893: 65 Years

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 am UTC
by ferrettt55
Well, Soren121, I'll explain it for you tomorrow. Until then, don't think about it too hard. You need a qualified Explanation Assisstant to help you through this.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:35 am UTC
by TheChewanater
Did anyone else think this has something to do with Y2k38 before reading the subtitle?

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:38 am UTC
by JustMe
Unless something changes soon, we're not going anywhere. This is depressingly accurate.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:40 am UTC
by Maxpm
I don't understand the "protected from actuarial tables" part. Could someone please explain?

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:43 am UTC
by snakedriver
Privatization. Just because a bloating, failing government agency is being shut down does not mean we will not reach other worlds again. SpaceX, Blue Frontier and others are already taking bids for commercial sub-orbit flights, how long before there is a Hilton Luna?

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:43 am UTC
by wisnij
Maxpm wrote:I don't understand the "protected from actuarial tables" part. Could someone please explain?

It's "proJECted from actuarial tables".

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:44 am UTC
by toastar
Um....

I personally don't consider the moon a world.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:46 am UTC
by Maxpm
wisnij wrote:
Maxpm wrote:I don't understand the "protected from actuarial tables" part. Could someone please explain?

It's "proJECted from actuarial tables".


Oooh. That makes a lot more sense. Sorry for the confusion.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:50 am UTC
by arbivark
another world is the only soap i ever watched (ok a few eps of passions.)
astronauts are not a statically typical population. they probably get better medical care and mostly have active social lives.
if the singularity is near, the data for post-2020 could change significantly; past performance is no guarantee of future results.
actuarial tables is bobby's cousin.

Re: 0893: "65 Years" Discussion

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:51 am UTC
by Arancaytar
Depressing.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:54 am UTC
by suso
The universe is also littered with people who are too impatient to wait for their society to catch up with their dreams.

We'll get there, unfortunately probably not in our lifetimes. But imagine the disappointment of Kepler and Galileo that they couldn't reach the moon in their lifetime.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:55 am UTC
by mania
toastar wrote:Um....

I personally don't consider the moon a world.


This one troubles me too. I generally think.. world = planet.

Looking it up on wiktionary didn't help.

.. although I suppose reference.com is probably right in it's definition of "heavenly body". Still doesn't sit the best with me =/.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:56 am UTC
by KitsuneKnight
The alt text:
The universe is probably littered with the one-planet graves of cultures which made the sensible economic decision that there's no good reason to go into space--each discovered, studied, and remembered by the ones who made the irrational decision.



Now that's fairly depressing.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:58 am UTC
by ARandomDude
The universe is probably littered with the one-planet graves of cultures which made the sensible economic decision that there's no good reason to go into space--each discovered, studied, and remembered by the ones who made the irrational decision.




I think it was the sensible decision on Firefly. Or did Randall forget about that.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:59 am UTC
by A_of_s_t
I guess this thread is the winner.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:06 am UTC
by SW15243
A_of_s_t wrote:I guess this thread is the winner.

I shall celebrate my so-called victory with quiet dignity.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:09 am UTC
by riddler
The universe is probably littered with the one-planet graves of cultures which made the sensible economic decision that there's no good reason to go into space--each discovered, studied, and remembered by the ones who made the irrational decision.


I think the Universe is probably littered with one-planet graves of several different cultures. The dinosaurs were around before us and most are now extinct. Just because humans are smarter than dinosaurs, doesn't mean that we'll last longer. In fact, it appears our intelligence will destroy us much faster, even if we did get a lot further. It won't be enough.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:20 am UTC
by VectorZero
:(

That's quite the depressing graph. Hope he's wrong.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:25 am UTC
by Ro─Łer
The most likely candidate to add to this table is China.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:30 am UTC
by CorruptUser
There's a 5% chance that all of the people who walked on the moon will be dead by 2022? I'll need to check the math on that. (Actuary here). Oh, it's not mathematically sound to use a normal approximation with only 9 people.

Ok, an 80 yr old male has a roughly 27% chance of living another 11 years, and a 76 yr old male has a 41% chance, 5 of them are roughly 80 and 4 roughly 76. The chance of all of them being dead by 2022 is thus .025 or 2.5%. Sorry, the 5% mark is at least to 2023.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:33 am UTC
by SW15243
CorruptUser wrote:There's a 5% chance that all of the people who walked on the moon will be dead by 2022? I'll need to check the math on that. (Actuary here). Oh, it's not mathematically sound to use a normal approximation with only 9 people.

I thought that '5th percentile' meant that the so-called 'weakest' 5 percent of them would be dead by 2022...?
Granted, I'm an English major, but still.

Re: 0893: "65 Years"

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:37 am UTC
by jpk
The alt text reminds me of a quote I've seen attributed to Jerry Pournelle (unless memory fails me):
"I always knew I'd see the first men walk on the moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last"

Guess what, kids - it's getting harder and harder to make that trip. In a week or so, depending on the length of the current delay, the US will have no capability to launch manned space flights. Not that the shuttle was ever going to make it to the moon, but right now we're moving steadily away from the idea.

Is it any comfort to suppose that we may have found the answer to the Fermi paradox?