0985: "Percentage Points"

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0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:16 am UTC

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Rollover text: Grayton also proposed making college scholarships available exclusively to sexually active teens, amnesty for illegal immigrants who create room for themselves by killing a citizen, and a graduated income tax based on penis size. He has been endorsed by Tracy Morgan, John Wilkes Booth's ghost, and the Time Cube guy.

Ah, but does he support legalizing gay marriage in schools? (Old joke of mine.)

I foresee this spawning Chuck-Norris-style jokes about Senator Grayton.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby neoliminal » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:20 am UTC

I think there will only be a 5 percentage point difference between those people who know what this joke is about and Mormons.

In other news, Senator Grayton was reported to support a lifting of a ban on sanctions against the embargo on illegal pitchers from Cuba, opening the door for new legislation by the President (of Major League Baseball.)
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby stardek » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:28 am UTC

Dang. I don't feel so smart now. It wasn't until I read the text at the bottom that the truth occurred to me.
A quick search seems to indicate that Senator Grayton isn't really real? I wish he was, life would be a lot more interesting with politicians like him.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Tynach » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:29 am UTC

Dealing with the title text... I know that everyone says nobody is THIS stupid, but with the stupidity I've seen, I just HAVE to ask. Does anyone actually take the Time Cube guy seriously, at all? I really hope not, but... You have to wonder, sometimes...

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Taymon » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:29 am UTC

So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Schadenfreude » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:31 am UTC

Holy Crap that's a lot of alt-text.

Hey, would anyone be willing to make a graph of alt-text length vs Xkcd comic number?
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Tynach » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:32 am UTC

Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Elmach » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:35 am UTC

Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Quicksilver » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:37 am UTC

Schadenfreude wrote:Holy Crap that's a lot of alt-text.

Hey, would anyone be willing to make a graph of alt-text length vs Xkcd comic number?
I can, I'll upload it in this thread.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby americablanco » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:43 am UTC

Meh... seventh grade mathematics. :shrugs:

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Tynach » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:45 am UTC

Elmach wrote:
Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)

Good point. Hadn't thought of that.

If over 15% of the population supports him after all that though, I'd be rather afraid of that 15%.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby enigmamf » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:46 am UTC

"A graduated income tax based on penis size" should be popular with women....

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Eutychus » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:59 am UTC

Elmach wrote:
Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)
I think that's the only right way of reading it, but that a lot of people will assume it dropped to 1%.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby aplarsen » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:11 am UTC

Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.
It's not this at all.

It's this:
Elmach wrote:The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby thewaytodustydeath » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:46 am UTC

Elmach wrote:
Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)


Maybe it's just 2:46 a.m., but isn't 81% of 20% 16.2%?

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Dhes » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:57 am UTC

Elmach wrote:The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)


Isn’t 20 - 19% 16.2??
20 * 0.81 = 16.2

Anyway if he dropped by 19%pp (percentage points) he would be at 1%, if he dropped with 19% he would be at 16.2%.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby BlueLabel » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:59 am UTC

How about that Newt?

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Quicksilver » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:04 am UTC

Quicksilver wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:Holy Crap that's a lot of alt-text.

Hey, would anyone be willing to make a graph of alt-text length vs Xkcd comic number?
I can, I'll upload it in this thread.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby dorian_grey » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:05 am UTC

I'm on the tail end of an all night exam revision session, and I've just gone from reading the Economist to xkcd and it took me a minute to realise this wasn't something one of the varying candidates actually said (the Economist is generally slating everyone running for US president that isn't Obama). If I didn't now have a lecture in three hours, this would be a sure sign to sleep.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Linux0s » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:32 am UTC

The sad thing is Grayton sounds about as sensible as the rest of them.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Sulayman-F » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:57 am UTC

My first thought was "Robin is a Senator?"

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby MDB » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:07 am UTC

Imagine the frustration in the UK where Public Service employees are told that their pension contribution is to go up by 3% only to find they mean 3 percentage points :evil:

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby scarletmanuka » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:12 am UTC

Actually, the situation in the comic doesn't bother me that much. What does annoy me is when journalists go off into a long report about why someone's popularity has gone down, when the changes are less than the margin of error in the poll.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Zinho » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:39 am UTC

neoliminal wrote:I think there will only be a 5 percentage point difference between those people who know what this joke is about and Mormons.

In other news, Senator Grayton was reported to support a lifting of a ban on sanctions against the embargo on illegal pitchers from Cuba, opening the door for new legislation by the President (of Major League Baseball.)


In related news the MLB Cuban Pitchers' Union filed a lawsuit to block any future lifting of the ban. The Judge's ruling of summary judgement against the Union is being appealed.


By the way, is the first line saying that 95% of Mormons will get the joke? Otherwise I'm left imagining some relationship like
| f(get the joke) - f(Mormons) | = 0.05
or something even stranger...

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby atrahasis » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:01 am UTC

Schadenfreude wrote:Holy Crap that's a lot of alt-text.

Hey, would anyone be willing to make a graph of alt-text length vs Xkcd comic number?


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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Gefrierbrand » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:15 am UTC

Nice! Let's use these graphs to predict the upcoming comic alt text lengths ;-)
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby sherlip » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:17 am UTC

atrahasis wrote:
Comic 404 is set to -1 as it doesn't exist.


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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Red Hal » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:57 am UTC

From the graph you can clearly see the rapid increase in the number of characters toward the end. It is obvious that Randall intends for the graph to closely follow the "hockey-stick" graph of Global Temperature. However, the increasing trend is at odds with the latter trend; he really needs to do something about that.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby tastelikecoke » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:13 am UTC

stardek wrote:A quick search seems to indicate that Senator Grayton isn't really real? I wish he was, life would be a lot more interesting with politicians like him.

I don't know for you but for me, some other politicians (or "politicians") are already as interesting as him. Like that guy surrounded by virgin bodyguards.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby kryton » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:21 am UTC

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby musashi1600 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:33 am UTC

atrahasis wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:Holy Crap that's a lot of alt-text.

Hey, would anyone be willing to make a graph of alt-text length vs Xkcd comic number?


Comic 404 is set to -1 as it doesn't exist.


The highest spike is 862, right?
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby gervasium » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:47 am UTC

Thing is, if they had said Grayton's support had plunged 19 percentage points, it would have gone to 1%, but since they claimed it plunged 19%, that means the decrease was 19% of the original support, becoming 16%. Given the outrage of Grayton's general ideas, it seems more likely that his support decreased to 1%, but the newscaster didn't know enough about statistics to transmit that information.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby eran_rathan » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:06 pm UTC

Tynach wrote:
Elmach wrote:
Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)

Good point. Hadn't thought of that.

If over 15% of the population supports him after all that though, I'd be rather afraid of that 15%.


that's more people than those who support Congress right now (currently polling at ~9%).

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Diadem » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:48 pm UTC

Ohhh! Time cube!

What a strange coincidence [and with strange I mean: The type that makes us go 'huh' but really isn't strange at all because they are bound to happen millions of times a day all over the planet]. I hadn't thought of Time Cube in ages, but I recently found myself wondering if the US congress is already scoring 1 timecube on the scale of crazy. And now Randall makes a comic about both Time Cube and congress.

And yes, the timecube (Tc) is the official unit of crazy. For most everyday uses millitimecubes (mTc) are used though, because the timecube is impractically large.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Maurog » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:00 pm UTC

Is it bad that I actually remember Gene Ray by name instead of as "Time Cube Guy"?

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby RevengencerAlf » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:16 pm UTC

I think it all just comes down to the fact that people in general, especially media outlets, don't really care for specificity much. Sometimes it's practial (no one is going to waste time specifying that the car running from police is burgundy when "red" will suffice. As a rule, I find that when news outlets are talking about polls they usually mean percentage "points" whether or not they remember to specify.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Fire Brns » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:38 pm UTC

enigmamf wrote:"A graduated income tax based on penis size" should be popular with women....

It sounds like a punishing tax wich would not be liked be women. I could be wrong though?

Does he support the right for everyone to carry a 3 foot sword around?
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Fysicist09 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:52 pm UTC

RevengencerAlf wrote:I think it all just comes down to the fact that people in general, especially media outlets, don't really care for specificity much. Sometimes it's practial (no one is going to waste time specifying that the car running from police is burgundy when "red" will suffice.


I agree with you about the burgundy car involved in a police chase, but most of the time I think it's just a matter of the people not having a goddamn clue.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby KrytenKoro » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:59 pm UTC

Fire Brns wrote:
enigmamf wrote:"A graduated income tax based on penis size" should be popular with women....

It sounds like a punishing tax wich would not be liked be women. I could be wrong though?

Does he support the right for everyone to carry a 3 foot sword around?

"A graduated income tax based on penis size" would mean "bigger dick => bigger income tax".

Sooo...women as a group would like that more than any other model. 'cause of the whole, them not having to pay taxes thing.

I mean, no politician would ever say "smaller dick => bigger income tax", 'cause they'd be raising the taxes on themselves.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby jpers36 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:10 pm UTC

tastelikecoke wrote:I don't know for you but for me, some other politicians (or "politicians") are already as interesting as him. Like that guy surrounded by virgin bodyguards.


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