0985: "Percentage Points"

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby savanik » Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:28 pm UTC

KrytenKoro wrote:
Fire Brns wrote:It sounds like a punishing tax wich would not be liked be women. I could be wrong though?

I mean, no politician would ever say "smaller dick => bigger income tax", 'cause they'd be raising the taxes on themselves.

There actually is a correlation between smaller penis and more money. I'll just leave this here.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Wolby » Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:47 pm UTC

KrytenKoro wrote:
Fire Brns wrote:
enigmamf wrote:"A graduated income tax based on penis size" should be popular with women....

It sounds like a punishing tax wich would not be liked be women. I could be wrong though?

Does he support the right for everyone to carry a 3 foot sword around?

"A graduated income tax based on penis size" would mean "bigger dick => bigger income tax".

Sooo...women as a group would like that more than any other model. 'cause of the whole, them not having to pay taxes thing.

I mean, no politician would ever say "smaller dick => bigger income tax", 'cause they'd be raising the taxes on themselves.

Mine is just a quarter-inch version of yours, thank you very much. With more nerve endings. By gadget logic, I should be paying the bigger tax: mine's smaller and more powerful.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby drachefly » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:09 pm UTC

Senator Grayton called for repeal of the 10th amendment.

When Nate Silver's model predicted Senator Grayton had a 10^-150 chance of winning, he replaced it as it was obviously too lenient.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Coyne » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm UTC

Tynach wrote:
Elmach wrote:
Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)

Good point. Hadn't thought of that.

If over 15% of the population supports him after all that though, I'd be rather afraid of that 15%.


No kidding. I'd even be scared to live with the 1%.

You know, even though that's like, 15 times fewer.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Oktalist » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:43 pm UTC

Of course we all expect journalists to be without clue, but it freaks me out how many actual economists say % when they mean pp.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby San Fran Sam » Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:12 pm UTC

enigmamf wrote:"A graduated income tax based on penis size" should be popular with women....


Couple on dinner date.

Him: I'll have you know I am in the 75 percent tax bracket.

Her: Waiter, check please!

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Butorides » Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:33 pm UTC

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby IIAOPSW » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:24 pm UTC

well. He's got my vote.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:58 pm UTC

This ones seems to be about is funny as Family Circus. Also, has anyone else noticed the comics being late in the past few weeks?
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby TheSoberPirate » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:02 pm UTC

enigmamf wrote:"A graduated income tax based on penis size" should be popular with women....

Embryologically, the clitoris derives from the same source as the glans of the penis, so women might not be totally off the hook. I think this is what Wolby is referring to. Though, if I remember correctly, the shaft of the penis is homologous to the labia? I guess all I'm saying is, I'm glad this complex issue is in the careful, thoughtful hands of Senator Grayton.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby dysprog » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:19 pm UTC

Senator Grayton is both Anti-Life and Anti-Choice. He favors mandatory abortions for everyone.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby jpers36 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:20 pm UTC

My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby neoliminal » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:54 pm UTC

Zinho wrote:
neoliminal wrote:I think there will only be a 5 percentage point difference between those people who know what this joke is about and Mormons.

In other news, Senator Grayton was reported to support a lifting of a ban on sanctions against the embargo on illegal pitchers from Cuba, opening the door for new legislation by the President (of Major League Baseball.)


In related news the MLB Cuban Pitchers' Union filed a lawsuit to block any future lifting of the ban. The Judge's ruling of summary judgement against the Union is being appealed.


By the way, is the first line saying that 95% of Mormons will get the joke? Otherwise I'm left imagining some relationship like
| f(get the joke) - f(Mormons) | = 0.05
or something even stranger...


Just handed this update, it has been revealed that Senator Grayton has allegedly had relations with a Cuban Pitcher named "Juan". Senator Grayton was touring nuclear reactor meltdown sites and was not available for comment.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Marscaleb » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:40 pm UTC

The alt-text on this comic made me laugh out loud (the line about tax rates based on penis size.)

(I like to inform comic authors when I laugh at their comic as they have no way to no otherwise.)

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Murphy2112 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:01 pm UTC

dysprog wrote:Senator Grayton is both Anti-Life and Anti-Choice. He favors mandatory abortions for everyone.

I haven't laughed that hard on the internet in a while. Well played, sir or madam.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby bmonk » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:13 pm UTC

Eutychus wrote:
Elmach wrote:
Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)
I think that's the only right way of reading it, but that a lot of people will assume it dropped to 1%.

One of the things I noticed moving to France is that the percentages given on the news for employment and inflation relate not to the rate itself, but to the rate of change of the rate. The actual underlying rate is almost never given.


Reminds me of a line, I believe from Varley's Gaea trilogy, something to the effect that "although the rate of inflation was still rising, the rate of the rate of the rate of inflation was beginning to drop" . . .
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Fritzed » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:19 pm UTC

If he entered the current Republican Presidential race right now, Senator Grayton would probably become the leader with Mitt Romney in second.

They are otherwise almost out of candidates that are "not Mitt Romney"...

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby CatOfGrey » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:33 pm UTC

Regarding the two red-line graphs, courtesy of atrahasis:

Thought #1: I think this might be more interesting as a scatterplot of title words vs. subtext words.

Thought #2: Looks like we've got increasing lengths over time. Can we do a linear model/time series analysis?

Thought #3: Serial correlation and other such quirks might be worth testing. It might also be interesting to know if, after a long title or subtext, future articles have shorter titles or subtexts. Or perhaps a converse, where short titles and subtexts might forecast long ones!?

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Coyne » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:16 pm UTC

CatOfGrey wrote:Regarding the two red-line graphs, courtesy of atrahasis:

Thought #1: I think this might be more interesting as a scatterplot of title words vs. subtext words.

Thought #2: Looks like we've got increasing lengths over time. Can we do a linear model/time series analysis?

Thought #3: Serial correlation and other such quirks might be worth testing. It might also be interesting to know if, after a long title or subtext, future articles have shorter titles or subtexts. Or perhaps a converse, where short titles and subtexts might forecast long ones!?


Yes, time series analysis would be a good thing; to see if we can find out if there's a topological sink.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby UniqueScreenname » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:15 am UTC

Linux0s wrote:The sad thing is Grayton sounds about as sensible as the rest of them.

Amen. I hear he also wants to fight for the rights of convicted killers to carry arms.
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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Oflick » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:18 am UTC

Eutychus wrote:
Elmach wrote:
Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)
I think that's the only right way of reading it, but that a lot of people will assume it dropped to 1%.


That's also how I would interpret it. I would say the way people would misinterpret it would be to think it means he's now polling at 1%. I can't see how anyone could interpret it to mean he's now polling at 19%. Where in the wording could you get the idea he's now at 19%? It said he was down "by 19%", not "to 19%".

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby milN » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:21 pm UTC

Hmm, regarding the alt-text, I think that I might vote for him. I am not living the most morally correct life possible =]

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby ManaUser » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:39 pm UTC

You know he'd sell out and up being a pro-corporate centrist like every other politician.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby bigjeff5 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:00 pm UTC

Oflick wrote:
Eutychus wrote:
Elmach wrote:
Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)
I think that's the only right way of reading it, but that a lot of people will assume it dropped to 1%.


That's also how I would interpret it. I would say the way people would misinterpret it would be to think it means he's now polling at 1%. I can't see how anyone could interpret it to mean he's now polling at 19%. Where in the wording could you get the idea he's now at 19%? It said he was down "by 19%", not "to 19%".


The saddest part is that the misinterpretation is likely the correct interpretation. The journalist almost certainly intends to say percentage points, but only says percent. The drooling masses then misinterpret the misstatement for the same reason the journalist made the mistake in the first place, and reach the correct conclusion of 1%.

Two wrongs certainly can make a right, though as a form of communication it is rather impractical to hope everyone will misinterpret you correctly.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby atrahasis » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:05 pm UTC

KrytenKoro wrote:"A graduated income tax based on penis size" would mean "bigger dick => bigger income tax".

Not necessarily, a larger penis could mean lower tax. The description doesn't say what the relationship is. It could be quadratic, so average penis size pays most/least tax.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby FoolThemAll » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:34 pm UTC

Senator Grayton wants to expand the Americans With Disabilities Act to include all members of Congress.

Senator Grayton wants Creationism and Evolution taught side-by-side with the theory that Gil Gerard used a time machine, went back, and ejaculated into the primordial ooze.

Senator Grayton believes that waterboarding should be a state issue.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby jc » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:23 pm UTC

jpers36 wrote:
tastelikecoke wrote:I don't know for you but for me, some other politicians (or "politicians") are already as interesting as him. Like that guy surrounded by virgin bodyguards.

Qaddafi's dead ...

So he's now surrounded by 72 virgin bodyguards?

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Netreker0 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:59 pm UTC

Laugh now, but the time will tell that the penis size based tax bracket is a stroke of genius. Even the most fervent tea baggers (especially the ones who always seem to bring the biggest cars/guns to the rallies) will be frantically calling the IRS insisting that they were under-taxed.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby ChaosR » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:08 am UTC

Does nobody notice the ambiguity in the items themselves?

Tax breaks for drunken drivers
=> Car brakes paid by government (taxes) to stop people from driving drunk

The use of unmanned predator drones in the war on Christmas
=> Drones so that soldiers can have a day off when it's the holiday season

College scholarships available exclusively to sexually active teens
=> Only for coeds, asin students, not the porn slang

Graduated income tax based on penis size
=> Bigger dicks (asin jerks, probably meant rich people) should pay more

Amnesty for illegal immigrants who create room for themselves by killing a citizen
=> Not sure about this one yet, probably means kill asin overpower or put out of a job by having a better degree.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Vash » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:54 am UTC

americablanco wrote:Meh... seventh grade mathematics. :shrugs:


Usted no es de los Estados Unidos? Nosotros no tenemos educación de matematica muy buena.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Vash » Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:03 am UTC

Elmach wrote:
Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)


It could also mean that it had a drop of large magnitude that brought it below 19%, but that's an unlikely meaning that would only really be likely if 19% had any special meaning. Maybe if the newsperson is obsessed with the percentage 19%, and constantly talks about things relative to 19%.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Taymon » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:37 am UTC

Elmach wrote:
Tynach wrote:
Taymon wrote:So what's the subtext? Whatever issue spawned this, I must not have followed it too closely.

Basically, 'Plunged by 19%' means that it went down to 1%. However, because of the wording, some people might interpret it as having lost 1%, and that now his popularity is at 19%.


The point is, plunged by 19% could also mean going down to 15.39%. (Out of the people who would have voted for Grayton, 19% of them left. 81% of 20% is 15.39%.)

I understood that part, but some of the earlier comments left me with the impression that the comic was referencing, or was inspired by, some specific event in the news media.

Guess not.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Jamaican Castle » Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:13 am UTC

bigjeff5 wrote:The saddest part is that the misinterpretation is likely the correct interpretation. The journalist almost certainly intends to say percentage points, but only says percent. The drooling masses then misinterpret the misstatement for the same reason the journalist made the mistake in the first place, and reach the correct conclusion of 1%.

Two wrongs certainly can make a right, though as a form of communication it is rather impractical to hope everyone will misinterpret you correctly.


Context can be important here. Losing 19% of your base is a serious loss, to be sure, but losing 95% (19 out of 20 percentage points) is more like the sort of irreparable catastrophe implied by "imploded". Of course, they could clear all this up with a nice graph of his popularity vs. time. (Presupposing that the news outlet in question can be trusted with graphs, which I rather doubt.)

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby TheAbstractor » Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:44 pm UTC

In other news, Senator Grayton also came under fire for proposing reparations by the African-American community to former slaveowners, fighting the child drug epidemic by administering ibogaine to all K-12 public school students and replacing the federal bureaucracy with a system of state-sponsored corporations because he likes saying the word "Quango". Still optimistic of his chances of reelection, Grayton further stated that he will take his oath of office by placing his hand inside the Gom-Jabbar.

Meanwhile in the UK, the Senator's cousin Labour Shadow Secretary Grayton also became the subject of controversy when his recent proposal for provincial devolution included giving neurostimulants and firearms to local zoo animals.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Rasmus » Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:30 pm UTC

Senator "Grayton" is probably modeled after former Congressman Alan Grayson, who also said some crazy shit. Although not that league of crazy.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby minetruly » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:24 am UTC

Today, I overheard a woman talking about her two-year-old, who was big for his age.

Her exact words: "Yes, he's very tall, he's in the 140th percentile."

If anyone cares to guess how she got that figure, I'm all ears.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby meh » Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:51 am UTC

Netreker0 wrote:Laugh now, but the time will tell that the penis size based tax bracket is a stroke of genius. Even the most fervent tea baggers (especially the ones who always seem to bring the biggest cars/guns to the rallies) will be frantically calling the IRS insisting that they were under-taxed.


Best comment.

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby pueben » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:25 pm UTC

Ah! I've been wondering for years now how to properly make that distinction in English (though apparently not enough to look it up). Thank you!

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby Vash » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:56 pm UTC

savanik wrote:I mean, no politician would ever say "smaller dick => bigger income tax", 'cause they'd be raising the taxes on themselves.

There actually is a correlation between smaller penis and more money. I'll just leave this here.[/quote]

Measurement error!

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Re: 0985: "Percentage Points"

Postby webheads » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:40 pm UTC

I'm surprised the anchorperson didn't read the percent sign as an emoticon.


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