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1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:07 am UTC
by rhomboidal
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Title Text: "I have never been as self-conscious about my handwriting as when I was inking in the caption for this comic."

Teaching them about bad leading and kerning could very well drive them insane.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:08 am UTC
by zantrua
Teaching them to recognize arial from helvitica is just as bad

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:10 am UTC
by mconor
not sure what Kerning is, but I assume it has something to do with the space in between the 'c' and 'e' in offices? is that correct?

and why would this make someone who knows about Kerning anymore pissed off than anyone else?

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:11 am UTC
by sonoftunk
I know what bad kerning looks like, but I can never figure what good kerning looks like. It's a good thing I don't do it for a living.

Edit: [url]http://type.method.ac/[url]

Case and point, 48/100

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:11 am UTC
by orangustang
Between this and "November", if I didn't know any better, I'd say Randall hates us all.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:14 am UTC
by carega
if you really hate someone, show them xkcd and their lame jokes about kerning.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:15 am UTC
by irishnut
Names for things I already hated, brilliant.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:16 am UTC
by irishnut
carega wrote:if you really hate someone, show them xkcd and their lame jokes about kerning.


aw look at the hungry troll...maybe I should give him my leftovers

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:20 am UTC
by jalohones
carega wrote:if you really hate someone, show them xkcd and their lame jokes about kerning.


If you really hate yourself, spend your time posting to online forums for things you don't like.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:31 am UTC
by drakvl
sonoftunk wrote:I know what bad kerning looks like, but I can never figure what good kerning looks like. It's a good thing I don't do it for a living.

Edit: [url]http://type.method.ac/[url]

Case and point, 48/100


I've definitely had my head in DEs for too long; the first thing I thought of with this was a chain of coupled equations.

Edit (just to brag): 75/100. I blame Toronto!

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:36 am UTC
by madock345
Does this mean that Randall hates all of us?

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:38 am UTC
by PM 2Ring
sonoftunk wrote:I know what bad kerning looks like, but I can never figure what good kerning looks like. It's a good thing I don't do it for a living.

Edit: http://type.method.ac/

Case and point, 48/100


drakvl wrote:I've definitely had my head in DEs for too long; the first thing I thought of with this was a chain of coupled equations.

Edit (just to brag): 75/100. I blame Toronto!

I got a couple of 100 / 100 's; my overall score was 83 / 100.
:)

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:43 am UTC
by RyanW
As usual with comics like this, I'm not sure whether to be proud or ashamed that I got it in the first 10 seconds.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:44 am UTC
by Harold
Looks like someone needs to lem to kem.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:44 am UTC
by Kain
sonoftunk wrote:I know what bad kerning looks like, but I can never figure what good kerning looks like. It's a good thing I don't do it for a living.

Edit: [url]http://type.method.ac/[url]

Case and point, 48/100


79/100 here. I tend to give the initial letter too much free space, apparently...

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:52 am UTC
by Retsam
sonoftunk wrote:I know what bad kerning looks like, but I can never figure what good kerning looks like. It's a good thing I don't do it for a living.

Edit: http://type.method.ac/

Case and point, 48/100

Huh. I was unexpectedly good at that. I think I've just spent too much time reading/playing video games. I got a 96/100 overall on my first try, my lowest was the first word which I got something like a 76. (Mostly cause I gave the capital way too much space as someone mentioned)
That was really strange; I'm just taking it as proof that my right hemisphere isn't entirely dormant... (or would this still be more of a left brain activity?)

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:53 am UTC
by bharvey
The picture in the comic is not about bad kerning; there is no kerning in the picture.

Kerning is the use of negative space to compensate for the shapes of characters that would otherwise look too far apart. The canonical case is something like [imath]L^2[/imath], in which the superscript is kerned to be slightly inside of the L. (The rendering of [imath]L^2[/imath] in this post by my browser is not in fact kerned, but it should be.)

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:56 am UTC
by Retsam
bharvey wrote:The picture in the comic is not about bad kerning; there is no kerning in the picture.

Kerning is the use of negative space to compensate for the shapes of characters that would otherwise look too far apart. The canonical case is something like [imath]L^2[/imath], in which the superscript is kerned to be slightly inside of the L. (The rendering of [imath]L^2[/imath] in this post by my browser is not in fact kerned, but it should be.)

[citation needed]

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:56 am UTC
by Unknownlight
I got a 90/100. I wouldn't usually have ever considered myself being detail-oriented enough to do well at something like this, but I wonder if learning photography has helped me, since it's all about proportions.

@Retsam: A 96? Nicely done!

Re: 1015: "Keming"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:07 am UTC
by jcsalomon
Word of the day: keming. n. Kerning that’s just a bit too tight.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:07 am UTC
by Icalasari
...Where does Randall live so I can beat him to a pulp for his evil ways?

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:13 am UTC
by nmp303
PM 2Ring wrote:
sonoftunk wrote:I know what bad kerning looks like, but I can never figure what good kerning looks like. It's a good thing I don't do it for a living.

Edit: http://type.method.ac/

Case and point, 48/100


drakvl wrote:I've definitely had my head in DEs for too long; the first thing I thought of with this was a chain of coupled equations.

Edit (just to brag): 75/100. I blame Toronto!

I got a couple of 100 / 100 's; my overall score was 83 / 100.
:)

Ok, I'll brag as well, but only because my score is so close to yours: 84 / 100 overall. There was four of them that I got 100 / 100 for, but in each case I could still see some blue lines, so I guess that I there's still room for improvement.


Also, blast you, Unknownlight and Retsam! I was beginning to think that I will have the highest mentioned score for once :-)

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:15 am UTC
by clockworkbookreader
Bad Kerning: now I have a phrase for something that has always REALLY irritated me.

not that I'm not guilty as sin of it when I write, but I make no claims for consistency.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:15 am UTC
by Brooks
It's a good comic, but look at the terrible kerning between the T and the E in "HATE".

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:18 am UTC
by Eutychus
87/100. At least there were no examples in comic sans ms...

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:20 am UTC
by Linux0s
After you teach them about "bad kerning" you can develop them into a "font snob" too.

Sooner or later they will come across Comic Sans at display size and their heads will explode.

Ahh damnit! Ninja'd...

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:21 am UTC
by Pfhorrest
From an old "computer terms glossary" I downloaded off the net some decades ago:

kern, v. 1. To pack type together as tightly as the kernels on an ear of corn. 2. In parts of Brooklyn and Queens, N.Y., a small, metal object used as part of the monetary system.

modem, adj. Up-to-date, new-fangled, as in "Thoroughly Modem Millie." An unfortunate byproduct of kerning.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:22 am UTC
by jpk
The irony of this is that nobody who was whinging and moaning over the last two days about a post defending the merits of an archaic and nearly obsolete technology which happened to produce a better aesthetic output than the modern substitute will cough up even a whimper about a comic claiming that failure to reproduce the precise spacing preferred by hand-set type somehow causes physical pain.

The best part is, none of the fawning hipster toadies will get the joke. They'll just chime in about how they, too, fall over in a foaming seizure when they see type set according to something other than 18th century standards.

(Yeah, I begin to see SirMustapha's point some days...)

(EDIT: I see the fun has begun!)

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:24 am UTC
by rjsteg
OK...OK...I must be slow or tired today.

I don't get it.

Randy --pleasehelpapoorsoul

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:25 am UTC
by magtak
100/100 first attempt, I guess that's why after creating a PSD without math, and I return to correct it's geometry it's more or less correct :)

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:26 am UTC
by Fire Brns
My first thought was that kerning was that poor job of shading letters so you can't tell if they are poking out of the sign or sunk in. Good to see we are using excel '97 for our webcomic graphics.

On I side note I always hate when I see letters spaced horribly but not in the hipster way mentioned above. Now I have the word for it.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:33 am UTC
by nmp303
rjsteg wrote:OK...OK...I must be slow or tired today.

I don't get it.

Randy --pleasehelpapoorsoul

Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerning

If you're slow, Wikipedia might bring you up to speed. If you're tired, maybe it'll help you fall asleep instead. Win-win, no?

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:35 am UTC
by Linux0s
94/100 (I do work in the printing industry)

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:47 am UTC
by NSI
A few days ago Patrick Rothfuss posted some book covers in a part of his yearly fund raising. There was one book, "Nightshifted" ( http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_1005-227x300.jpg ), that looked liked it was titled, "NIGHTSHIF TED". Luckily this copy was an ARC, so one hopes that the kerning will be adjusted by the time it is released.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:48 am UTC
by akrolsmir
80/100. I'm now wondering what average is and if this is better than that (probably not).

100/100 was actually pretty lenient for a perfect score.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:59 am UTC
by mattman00000
If you don't know what kerning is, google it. The word kerning is kerned wider than the other text on the page

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:04 am UTC
by severach
Does it bother anyone else that there is no kerning in "CITY OFFICES"?

Does it bother me that noone else has pointed this out yet? (ninjaed)

Does Randall not know what kerning is or is steamy guy just preparing for the real torture to come.

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:04 am UTC
by OUTofPRINT
92/100. Odd, since I have never been good at any kind of art, design, or really anything relating to aesthetics. I should probably drop out of my computer science program and become a professional kerner. It's always bothered me when the spacing in words looked wrong. Now I shall make it my duty to correct this issue wherever it shall be found!

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:06 am UTC
by Dinoguy1000
I got a 98/100... which surprised me considerably, since I've played that game before (some time ago, probably when it first came up on Hacker News), and as I recall, only got 70-something then. The fact that I don't do any work that even remotely deals with kerning or printing, and that I'm not a font/print snob (hipster?) only makes it more surprising...

Re: 1015: "Kerning"

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:12 am UTC
by RobyMcAndrew
I have similar issues with lip-sync. I feel better now that I have shared that.