chrisvalentine wrote:Speaking as a guy who was a complete chump in high school and a mediocre PUA in college, there's a lot of guys out there who just don't know how to handle women at all.
There we go again.
People aren't meant to be "handled".
Handle talking to them, in case it wasn't obvious. The rest of my post is rambling, I've noticed. Oh well, throw it against the wall, see what sticks.
Most guys that want to become PUAs do it because they hated getting absolutely nowhere with women. Its generally up to the guy to take the initial chances when pursuing any non-platonic relationship. We're expected to start the conversation, we're expected to pursue her, to some degree or another. It may come as a surprise, but that can be terrifying for many people, to put yourself out there like that. Outside of classes or work, we have to somehow start a conversation with a woman we find attractive, we have to keep that conversation going, and we have to try to get her interested in us, all within a short period of time (a few hours, in a best case scenario). Its not the easiest thing in the world, let me tell you.
People start complaining about how the whole process is adversarial, and thats just the nature of the beast (and has been ever since sexual reproduction started). Most women make it hard for guys to get in their pants; as they should. Most guys, on the other hand, want little else but that, but generally don't know how to get it. Its quite frustrating. Myself, I used some of the techniques a few times, and was able to learn from it, to my benefit and the benefit of those around me.
What never ceases to amaze me is how blind many women are to what guys want and then, how many resent the guys for it, even though everyone in the world says it constantly: guys just want sex. So many think its not true of the guys they meet. I have one friend who is stunningly beautiful; she's competed in many beauty pageants and usually placed quite well. She's also smart, with several degrees. Great sense of humor, and capable of being incredibly cynical and sarcastic when the situation calls for it. Yet, repeatedly, she has been burned by guys she's been in relationships with, simply because she couldn't comprehend that most of the guys that she encounters are just trying to get her in her pants. I had to tell her flat out: every straight guy she knew that wasn't a close relative wanted to sleep with her, and it took me hours to convince her of that.
And for all the people who complain about the PUAs techniques, I'm wondering what the guy who doesn't know how to talk to women is supposed to do? Most guys just don't know how to talk to women and aren't interested in just learning by trial and error (particularly since we're going to make the same mistakes over and over again).