J Thomas wrote:This might be a good time for you to read the Tao Te Ching.
Easily one of the best things you have said in this thread.
The Tao Te Ching is an excellent book. Some of my favorite parts, with my own commentary as relates to this topic:"It is time to keep them in their place by the aid of the nameless Primal Simplicity,
Which alone can curb the desires of men.
When the desires of men are curbed, there will be peace,
And the world will settle down of its own accord."
Hmm, now what does the nameless Primal Simplicity mean? To some, apparently that means using PUA to get your fuck on. Does that curb the desires of men? No, it does not. I know this because I have done this. The problem is the desires - and the answer is not
in trying to satisfy those desires, which PUA is designed to do."One who displays himself does not shine.
One who justifies himself has no glory.
One who boasts of his own ability has no merit.
One who parades his own success will not endure.
In Tao these things are called "unwanted food and extraneous growths""
In this thread, how many times have we seen the boast that "PUA techniques WORK!" or the claim that men who don't use them (men who "don't get it") do not find love or sex? This is boasting of ability. Or in the PUA terminology, a "Demonstration of High Value." The very term demonstrates a mentality of wanting to prove to another person how awesome and desirable a person you are, whether you do it with "social proof" (or having a "wing" to validate your awesomeness so you don't come across as being conceited) or trying to be an "alpha male." How many pro-PUArs in this thread have been justifying themselves and their behaviors? (Why should they feel the need to?) This passage describes the PUA thing to a T. Displaying yourself, so that you get laid and pick up women. Boasting of your own abilities in getting laid and picking up women ("field reports"). Parading of "success" (as measured by frequency and ease of getting laid).
And yet, on all this talk of alpha males and leaders, the Tao says,"The highest type of ruler is one of whose existence the people are barely aware.
Next comes one whom they love and praise.
Next comes on whom they fear.
Next comes one whom they despise and defy."
Where do the majority of people in this thread (i.e., not the PUA-defenders) stand with regards to the ummm alpha males of PUA? Do the people seem to be loving and praising them? Not hardly. How about fearing? Eh. Despising and defying? It seems to me that a true alpha male, i.e. ruler, is not despised and defied nor feared, while the likes of 'Mystery' are. You can't learn to be an alpha male, a leader of men, or a good man, through reading tips on how to get chicks. It just doesn't work that way.
And what of the typical pre-PUA-mastery complaint that women take advantage of or cheat on or break one's heart? The moment in other words in which a guy decides "fuck this talking-to-women-like-human-beings shit, I wanna walk the way of the PUA!" Is the problem here really that women are just mean and not into guys who don't have "game?" Or is it something more specific to the person who has the problem:"When you are lacking in faith,
Others will be unfaithful to you."
I think this is really the case. Most people in this society, men or women, have a lack of faith. In the PUA case, a faith that women are individually worthwhile, a faith that yes one can go without getting laid and it's not a disaster, a faith that you'll get over heartbreak as a matter of course, a faith that there is such a thing as a soulmate, a faith that you can enjoy life even if you have only one
instead of the recommended five
women at a time.
A lack of faith, born by an uncurbed (and indeed, fanned) male desire.
This is what I have personally learned in my years. There is no joy, no pleasure, no pickup, no sex, no girlfriend, as rewarding and giving of joyfulness and contentment as faith. A faith born of negating, not feeding, desire (and aversion). It is within, not without
. It is not
gained by adding notches to your belt
. It is not
gained by getting nor even trying to get a same night lay
with a 10
and overcome her bitch shield
and penetrate her anti-slut-defenses
and make a high demonstration of value
to avoid being an average frustrated chump
Spiritually speaking, this is why PUA fails to give true development of character. Its... how shall we say... approach
to viewing things is entirely wrong. As the Tao says, Racing and hunting madden the mind.
And that's all I have to say.