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1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:09 am UTC
by rhomboidal
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Title Text: "Anyone who says that they're great at communicating but 'people are bad at listening' is confused about how communication works."

Agreed. It's so hard to communicate Super Mario Bros. walkthroughs to noobs.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:15 am UTC
by Sprocket
This too made me think of Mario.

This is why I hate people who don't synthesize and respond when you say things to them. They are not giving you any notion of if what you said is painting a picture in their head of what you meant to communicate at all.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:18 am UTC
by And Man
I find it kinda funny that you made this comic right after all of the word filters were implemented

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:23 am UTC
by Sizik
And Man wrote:I find it kinda funny that you made this comic right after all of the loaf crumbs were implemented

Pure and utter coincidence, my friend.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:28 am UTC
by phlip
It took me a few goes to figure out what the hell was going on... which seems fitting, given the topic. My reading:
Spoiler:
Panel 1: White-hat guy sees a dangerous hole in the road.
Panels 2-3: WHG tries to tell hair-guy about the hole, but all hair-guy hears is "WHG seems worried about something".
Panels 4: WHG gives up, hair-guy doesn't understand.
Panel 5: WHG rants to hair-girl about hair-guy not understanding, meanwhile hair-girl tells WHG about a hole in the ground.
Panel 6: They part ways, WHG thinks that hair-girl is going to tell hair-guy about the hole too.
Panels 7-11: Hair-girl meets hair-guy, they share stories about WHG, wander off, and fall into the hole WHG tried (and failed) to warn them about.
Panels 11-12: WHG also falls into a different hole, that hair-girl tried to warn him about (which he ignored, thinking they were talking about the same hole).

Meanwhile:
Panels 13-18: Beret guy sees a hole in the road, and goes to find bald guy. Rather than try to tell him about the hole, he drags him over and shows him the hole. They both walk away understanding that the hole is there.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:30 am UTC
by Ameseree
This got me thinking that the best way to tell someone something is to show them, generally speaking though.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:33 am UTC
by And Man
Sizik wrote:
And Man wrote:I find it kinda funny that you made this comic right after all of the loaf crumbs were implemented

Pure and utter coincidence, my friend.


Yeah, I assumed so, but the timing is still pretty good

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:39 am UTC
by reminiscence-tbp
Explaining things properly is extremely difficult. You have to align your brain with what the opponent is thinking and explain concepts based on what they already know or how they like to tackle new ideas.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:40 am UTC
by Alsadius
For those of you who read Mark Rosewater, this reminds me of his "Elegance" column from some years ago - illustrating a concept by showing how not to do it.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:41 am UTC
by reminiscence-tbp
oh shiiiii I got trolled. Seems that you are not allowed to utter a certain word lest zombies hear you and start attacking.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:41 am UTC
by whateveries
WHG "watch out for the hole."
Hair guy "are you refering to my existentialist crisis"
WHG "Sigh"
hair guy "girllookatthatbody"
WHG "forget it, walk forward 20' with your eyes closed, it is all good"
Hair Guy "ok"
WHG meets Girl (is that megan?)
WHG "Hair guy is a douche"
Megan "Yeah, I'd hate to be stuck in a hole with him, speaking of which, watch out for that hole"
WHG "yeah, I know, how'd you, never mind"
etc.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:43 am UTC
by toadpipe
I may be a very critical person. I might be a misanthrope, I judge, I often spew venom. C'est la vie.

But this comic.

Is brilliant. (please pronounce that period!)

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:47 am UTC
by LettersAndNumbers
toadpipe wrote:I may be a very critical person. I might be a misanthrope, I judge, I often spew venom. C'est la vie.

But this comic.

Is brilliant. (please pronounce that period!)


It's brilliant, full stop?

Anyway, I enjoy this comic if only for the timing.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:50 am UTC
by whateveries
LettersAndNumbers wrote:
toadpipe wrote:I may be a very critical person. I might be a misanthrope, I judge, I often spew venom. C'est la vie.

But this comic.

Is brilliant. (please pronounce that period!)


It's brilliant, full stop?

Anyway, I enjoy this comic if only for the timing.


I think he meant "that" but why is a mystery.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:01 am UTC
by freded21
And Man wrote:I find it kinda funny that you made this comic right after all of the loaf crumbs were implemented

Loaf crumbs?

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:08 am UTC
by Ameseree
freded21 wrote:
And Man wrote:I find it kinda funny that you made this comic right after all of the loaf crumbs were implemented

Loaf crumbs?

I think they mean all the miss-communication
For more details I'm pointing you to the "general" section with the "madness" thread

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:11 am UTC
by Adacore
I find it interesting that the message the comic is trying to convey is actually better communicated in text than in pictorial form.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:21 am UTC
by toadpipe
whateveries wrote:
LettersAndNumbers wrote:
toadpipe wrote:I may be a very critical person. I might be a misanthrope, I judge, I often spew venom. C'est la vie.

But this comic.

Is brilliant. (please pronounce that period!)


It's brilliant, full stop?

Anyway, I enjoy this comic if only for the timing.


I think he meant "that" but why is a mystery.



Sadly the comic only mentions listening. Sometimes I think reading is a blah blarg hobbldy fumble patch myankle...

To hell with it, yes.

FULL STOP.

Telegraph fo' life mah crackas!

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:33 am UTC
by Princess Marzipan
Alsadius wrote:For those of you who read Mark Rosewater, this reminds me of his "Elegance" column from some years ago - illustrating a concept by showing how not to do it.
I forgot Mod Madness breaks links. The word "Witchcraft" in that link needs to be replaced with the one word name of the CCG put out by Wizards of the Coast. There is no way to make it clickable. :D

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:44 am UTC
by HonoreDB
Princess Marzipan wrote:There is no way to make it clickable. :D


Here. Technique from Vaniver.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:53 am UTC
by Princess Marzipan
*facepalm*

And that piece specifically advises awareness of available tools. A hearty tsk to me!

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:54 am UTC
by gormster
Oh, hang on. Word filters.

Er, I mean, "O​h, hang on. W​ord f​ilters."

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:02 am UTC
by Eutychus
Where did beret guy and the guy he warns come from? There's a hole at either end!

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:08 am UTC
by kylos
Wait, I'm confused. Why did hair guy shave his head before walking into the pit?

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:10 am UTC
by glasnt
That's why you should always leave a note.

Hi joee.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:28 am UTC
by pbnjstowell
Is it just late, or are you guys making less sense than normal on purpose?

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:42 am UTC
by myoilu
I think it's funny that his comic is almost impossible to explain to someone without showing them. or is that the point?

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:48 am UTC
by coredumperror
I think the alt text on this comic was easily the most ironic I've ever seen, because I have NO idea what the comic was trying to communicate. Does that make me a poor listener?

Reading phlip's spoiler makes it much clearer, but I think Adacore really hit the nail on the hed*.

*I had to misspell it because the forum is intentionally screwing up our communications. That's pretty clever.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:51 am UTC
by Istaro
So this comic is showing, not telling, the idea of "show not tell"?

Actual human beings can use language, though, so we can say things like "watch out, there's a hole in the ground over there" instead of using ambiguous pictoral speech bubbles. Broken aesop?

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:54 am UTC
by Djehutynakht
And now one must contemplate the further nuance of this comic's effectiveness at conveying the message to us.

I had to concentrate a bit.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:13 am UTC
by davxkcd
Where did beret guy and the guy he warns come from? There's a hole at either end!

Maybe they don't actually live in a 2d world?

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:31 am UTC
by BAReFOOt
I’m just saying
that I’m good at logic,
but people are fuckin’ retards.

I c­a­n prove it too.
Unfortunately, that also guarantees
that they will never get it.

;)

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:43 am UTC
by Kanonfutter
It is refreshing with a strip once in a while that you actually have to sit down and read instead of just skimming. Makes the humor last longer.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:46 am UTC
by BAReFOOt
coredumperror wrote:hed*.
*I had to misspell it because the forum is intentionally screwing up our communications. That's pretty clever.


With it: h­e­a­d.
Without it: head.

At least it doesn’t try to replace as­sas­sin­ate by “buttbuttinate”. ;)

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:51 am UTC
by coredumperror
BAReFOOt wrote:
coredumperror wrote:hed*.
*I had to misspell it because the forum is intentionally screwing up our communications. That's pretty clever.


With it: h­e­a­d.
Without it: neck.

At least it doesn’t try to replace as­sas­sin­ate by “buttbuttinate”. ;)


Yeah, when I first saw that my post apparently said "hit the nail on the neck" I laughed at the irony of me complaining about the comic failing to communicate to me, only to me apparently fail to communicate in my own post. Thankfully, it wasn't actually my fault.

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:16 am UTC
by muntoo
hahahahahha lik tis if yuuuuuuuu lik ahahahahahahhaha
ITs sO ...TruEEEEE~!!!!eeee1!!!!!! u no how ppl... dont no how... to cmunicaaaaaatttteeee??!??? srsly... whts teir prblm???? huuuuhhHHH????
lik3 itssss sssooooo esy... 2 form coherent, logical, and thoughtful msgs... u nooooo???? AHAHAHAHAH thyr mooooooo... moooooo.. .mooooroooonsssss....... lolololololololol........
lik y cant evry1 b frendssssss!????? wrldpce issss SOOOO obvias!!!!! nnndddd WHHHHYYYYY dus evry1 hve 2 b soooo,,, MEEEAAAANNN....????????????? hahahaha lololol dont wory evrythnll b alriteeeeee a OKKKK ahahahahahahaa!!!111
Spoiler:
PPPPPSSSSS!!!! U RULE CUS U ClACKED THIS !!11 1!!!!!! loo00ooooo00olll!!!1
PPS I WANT ATTENTITOOONN!!

--

Ahem. Sorry.

EDIT: What the hell? I wrote "I WANT ATTENTITOOONN!!" and it says "HULK WANT ATTENTITOOONN!!".

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:18 am UTC
by da Doctah
phlip wrote:It took me a few goes to figure out what the hell was going on... which seems fitting, given the topic. My reading:


I got little bits and pieces of your description, along with various people either getting or not getting that "someone should mark this place as dangerous".

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:28 am UTC
by vsigma
ok. i might be showing my age here on this one..


but before reading the alt-text - the first thing that came to my mind was Lode Runner...

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:52 am UTC
by AvatarIII
This confused me because hair-guy seems to lose his hair in panel 9... I c.a.n not work out if it's still supposed to be the same guy or if the girl moves on and talks to bald-guy between panels.

edit: for some reason, "c.a.n" is being changed to "will" and "c.a.n't" to "won't" every time I post, that's annoying. "c.a.n" c.a.n not always be replaced with will!!

Re: 1028: "Communication"

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:10 am UTC
by Kibate
"Anyone who says that they're great at communicating but 'people are bad at listening' is confused about how communication works."

Well, i think its more like "I am great at explaining, people are just bad at listening"

Because whoever of you tried to explain your parents how something PC related works knows what I am talking about.
Spoiler:
I say:
Me(over phone): "First do A, then do B and finally C to get the desired results"
*an hour later*
Parent: "I can't do it, i did it like you explained but it doesn't work"
Me: "Okay, from the beginning, click A"
Parent: "What's A?"
Me: "....okay, A is that big red button that says >A<"
Parent: "Ah, i get it now"
*several hours later*
Parent: "It still doesn't work, maybe i should call the hotline"
Me: "You don't have to do that, they will tell you exactly what i am doing."
Me: "Okay, so you did A, right?"
Parent: "Right."
Me: "And then B, right?"
Parent: "Right."
Me: "And then C?"
Parent: "Right."
Parent: "Wait a minute..." "I was suppose to do ABC? i did ACB."
WHY?!!!
And believe me, this kind of stuff happens every single freaking time.