1072: " Seventies"

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1072: " Seventies"

Postby glasnt » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:01 am UTC

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Alt: Hey, man, the 1670s called. They were like 'Wherefore this demonic inſtrument? By what ſorcery does it produce ſuch ſounds?"


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Re: 1072: Seventies

Postby Djehutynakht » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:02 am UTC

He uſed the Elizabethan "s". That'ſ what really makeſ thiſ comic.

I'm impreſſed.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby nitePhyyre » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:06 am UTC

At first I was like: Ha! They didn't have voicemail in the 70s. Poor guy must have been so lost.
The after a second I was like: No that's not the joke.. what's the joke? HOLY SHIT THAT'S A ROTARY PHONE!

I totally forgot those things exist. Which is weird because I still have one.
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:07 am UTC

Djehutynakht wrote:He uſed the Elizabethan "s". That'ſ what really makeſ thiſ comic.

I'm impreſſed.
ſurely you mean "maketh". Alſo, 'twas written 's' at the end of words.
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby nitePhyyre » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:10 am UTC

Why did the change the shape of the letter depending on where it was? That ſeems needlessly confusing.
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby rhomboidal » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:12 am UTC

Hehe, in the Seventies, their phones were even bigger than their bell-bottoms.

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"Wherefore"Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby anschelsc » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:12 am UTC

The title text used "wherefore" where I think "whence" or even "whence came" would be more appropriate.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:14 am UTC

nitePhyyre wrote:Why did the change the shape of the letter depending on where it was? That ſeems needlessly confusing.
Well, presumably there is a reason we don't do that any more.
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby glasnt » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:14 am UTC

Schrodinger called, maybe.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby TiLt » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:18 am UTC

nitePhyyre wrote:Why did the change the shape of the letter depending on where it was? That ſeems needlessly confusing.

We still do a similar thing. Capital letters at the start of a sentence for example.
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby DieJay » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:22 am UTC

Hah, and here I thought those were actual F's, because back then they lost teeth more easily.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby chrth » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:27 am UTC

Retread of 2009 Called, but the bell bottom art makes it worth it.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Sebastianator » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:28 am UTC

No offense to Randel, but wherefore would be akin to why not what. Like in the Shakespeare quote "Wherefore art thou Romeo?" Juliet is asking why Romeo has to be a Montague.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Eutychus » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:04 am UTC

According to Wikipedia and my memory, push-button phones, although not widespread, were already around in the 1970s.

And according to Three Days of the Condor , so was DTMF signalling, so with a bit of perseverance, the 1970s could in fact leave a message.
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Eternal Density » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:05 am UTC

nitePhyyre wrote:At first I was like: Ha! They didn't have voicemail in the 70s. Poor guy must have been so lost.
The after a second I was like: No that's not the joke.. what's the joke? HOLY SHIT THAT'S A ROTARY PHONE!
OH! Now I realise why this is funny :D
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby asaz989 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:07 am UTC

nitePhyyre wrote:Why did the change the shape of the letter depending on where it was? That ſeems needlessly confusing.


It is needlessly confusing, but lots of languages do it anyway. Just off the top of my head, I can think of Hebrew (נ/ן, for example), modern Greek (sigma has a word-final form), and Arabic (basically every single letter). I think it goes back to handwriting ease - word-final forms are generally very easy to write if you're going to pick up the pen afterwards anyway, and very hard to write if you want to move quickly to the next letter in the word.

(Arabic, by the way, is a particularly extreme example in that after most letters, you actually continue the pen-stroke without even easing up, so there absolutely need to be separate final, initial, medial, and independent forms of every letter.)

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Editer » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:13 am UTC

Waitaminnit. Nearly all phones these days don't display the caller's identity, just their number. So how did the guy know it was the 1970s calling? :?: :?:

ETA: Or maybe the 1970s are in his address book because they've called before. "Hello? ... Really!? ... Oh, yeah, I was just about to send them back anyway, they're too tight across the hips."
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Caffeine » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:01 am UTC

Editer wrote:Waitaminnit. Nearly all phones these days don't display the caller's identity, just their number. So how did the guy know it was the 1970s calling? :?: :?:

ETA: Or maybe the 1970s are in his address book because they've called before. "Hello? ... Really!? ... Oh, yeah, I was just about to send them back anyway, they're too tight across the hips."


If it was the seventies here in Australia, it'd be a 6 digit number (if it was a local call, and not STD) instead of the 8 digit ones we have now.

I still remember our old 6 digit phone number from when I was around 5 years old (early 80's) 694 102. The local caravan park was 691 402 so we would often get wrong numbers. (Edit: Ahah! They still have the same number, just with a few digits prefixed :D http://www.mannumcaravanpark.com.au/ )

Prior to moving to that house, when I was even younger, I still vaguely remember the family property had a wind up phone on a party line. There was a brief period in between the two places where we didn't have a phone at all (or running water, or a bathroom or toilet for that matter) and mum used to run across the road to the phone booth in her dressing gown.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby VectorZero » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:12 am UTC

We had the same problem. We were 232 002, whereas the local vet was 252 002.
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Linux0s » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:17 am UTC

I have a classic Western Electric 500 rotary phone I got at an auction a couple years ago. Thought it might be fun to hook it up as a second phone. Turns out I didn't enjoy the nostalgia quite as much as I thought. Why? Because holy crap are rotary phones ever loud when they ring! That jarring sound is about enough to stop your heart if you happen to be in the same room when the thing "goes off"! Of course in the era of the WE 500 you didn't own your phone, you leased it. Since most people only had 1 phone for that reason, they were meant to be heard throughout the entire house. Boy, the "soothing" ring tones of the modern era really made ya forget...
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby sunman42 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:53 am UTC

I am a geezer who actually remembers the '70's. I bought my first touchtone phone when the Bell System was broken up and individuals could finally own phones --- in 1972. So while there were some touchtone phones around, it's certainly true that there was no voicemail.... and the star and pound sign buttons didn't really do anything yet. Who would have thought that only 40 years later, I'd be sitting here with a cordless phone, punching in a ten-digit phone number and a twelve digit account number, as well as speaking my name and address to a machine.... to get my remnant of the Bell empire to stop selling my Internet usage stats to other companies for marketing purposes, and ending each number with a pound sign?

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby ijuin » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:09 am UTC

On the other hand, loud phone rings are a good thing if someone in your house is hard of hearing.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Serazahr » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:39 am UTC

Better fix the alt-text. The "this" is using a contemporary 's'.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby MonkeyBoy » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:51 am UTC

If anyone is feeling particularly nostalgic (specifically, two hundred bucks worth of nostalgic), you can get an actual old rotary phone that's been converted into a cell phone here.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Token » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:52 am UTC

Serazahr wrote:Better fix the alt-text. The "this" is using a contemporary 's'.

There was in fact a period where the modern shape (short s) was used at the end of words in print but the long s was used at the beginning or in the middle, so this is not incorrect (though I haven't actually verified that this period included the 1670s).
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Nobani » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:59 am UTC

Token wrote:
Serazahr wrote:Better fix the alt-text. The "this" is using a contemporary 's'.

There was in fact a period where the modern shape (short s) was used at the end of words in print but the long s was used at the beginning or in the middle, so this is not incorrect (though I haven't actually verified that this period included the 1670s).


According to Wikipedia that time was almost the entire time the long s was in use.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Rodion Raskolnikov » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:13 am UTC

Serazahr wrote:Better fix the alt-text. The "this" is using a contemporary 's'.


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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby RAGBRAIvet » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:29 am UTC

The hair and the bell-bottoms go a long way to making this cartoon.
But Randall overlooked the "Burt Reynolds/Tom Selleck" mustache.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby deathweaver516 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:38 am UTC

I love the long s, makes the joke. It is still used on street signs in some towns here in Austria. When the 1670's called I guess they adopted the writing style.

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Re: "Wherefore"Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby scarborogggah » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:42 am UTC

anschelsc wrote:The title text used "wherefore" where I think "whence" or even "whence came" would be more appropriate.


Yeah, as a former theater major I found this jarring. Wherefore means why, as in "Wherefore art thou Romeo?" - Why are you Romeo, and not of some other clan that isn't in a horrible feud with the Capulets? Everyone gets this wrong. :/

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby najodleglejszy » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:56 am UTC

RAGBRAIvet wrote:The hair and the bell-bottoms go a long way to making this cartoon.
But Randall overlooked the "Burt Reynolds/Tom Selleck" mustache.


and this weird lamp with floating yolk/lava/whatever inside. and I'm pretty sure many other things.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby jozwa » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:22 am UTC

I like the art on that phone.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby MSTK » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:32 am UTC

it's funny reading through this topic and seeing people misunderstand the usage of the different forms of the s.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby lorb » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:54 am UTC

I still have such a thing at home, and you can just "dial" whatever number instead of "pressing" it, so he could have left a message.
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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Zamfir » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:18 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Well, presumably there is a reason we don't do that any more.

I think that's really more the result of printing. In the days of handwriting, it was far more natural that letters changed depending on their location relative to other letters. Ligatures were for examples also far more common.

If you write with a flat caligraphy pen, the long s starts to make sense. The s has a diagonal component that doesn't fit nice in most scripts (the z and x are even worse, but they are rarer).

You can solve that by making the s three layers of horizontal lines, but this produces a very heavy letter. Do it wrong, and the three layers merge to become one big block of ink. The other option is to bend the diagonal line to the vertical, which gives the long s. This one fits much nicer in the script, it has style elements of an f or l or j.

At a guess, I suspect that the last letter of a word allows a bit more room, both physical but also stylistical, and this brought the short s back.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby rhhardin » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:05 am UTC

They used to put messages to the future in books, or betamax tapes.

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby pkcommando » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:18 am UTC

Editer wrote:Waitaminnit. Nearly all phones these days don't display the caller's identity, just their number. So how did the guy know it was the 1970s calling? :?: :?:

ETA: Or maybe the 1970s are in his address book because they've called before. "Hello? ... Really!? ... Oh, yeah, I was just about to send them back anyway, they're too tight across the hips."

Some also display the location of the number (city and state), at least if you pay for the additional service. Maybe his was a premium version. :D

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby pkcommando » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:19 am UTC

rhhardin wrote:They used to put messages to the future in books, or betamax tapes.

Or letters to be left w/ Western Union.......

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby Dr. Gamera » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:11 pm UTC

In contrast, I see no problem with (translating) "Why this demonic instrument?"

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Re: 1072: " Seventies"

Postby rcox1 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:12 pm UTC

Rockford Files, 1974-1980

"This is Jim Rockford. At the tone, leave your name and message. I'll get back to you. [Beep]"
Followed by a joke message.

Despite what most kids think, we did not live in caves prior to their birth and then magically achieve civilization.

I will also, as a public service, mention Charlie's Angels, 1976-1981 and the car phone.

These were not particularly good shows, but were popular and did educate the populous on these technologies even if they did not use them in day to day life.

It is a funny comic, just needs to be pushed back 10 or 20 years, to a time when technology of any matter did in fact not exist and people could magically solve problems. For example Bewitched 1964-1972.


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