1103: "Nine"

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby zombie_monkey » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:48 am UTC

flicky1991 wrote:
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RJFerret wrote:Just one spin of the dial for me regardless of duration, analog for the win!

Yes, and I'm amazed everyone in here has buttons. I can't remember when I last saw a microwave with buttons. Even the modern high-tech microwave at my parents' has a dial (with a digital display showing the time).

Same here. It must be a geographical thing.

Yeah, same here. Maybe it's an American thing. And even when I've seen microwaves with buttons, they've never been digit buttons, but buttons for adjusting things like power settings. The timer is always set with a dial. But most microwaves have a that set with a dial also.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Replica616 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:57 am UTC

Come to think of it, I only ever press two buttons on my microwave. The one that opens the door and "Start/+30 seconds". I only ever use times in multiples of 30 seconds and in doing so completely ignore the other buttons, numbers and dial.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Replica616 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:57 am UTC

Come to think of it, I only ever press two buttons on my microwave. The one that opens the door and "Start/+30 seconds". I only ever use times in multiples of 30 seconds and in doing so completely ignore the other buttons, numbers and dial.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby The Cat » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:44 pm UTC

I always enter something like 1:87. The fact that the microwave cheerfully counts down from such a value without questioning or complaining is one of the ways it fails the Turing test.


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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby sam_i_am » Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:40 pm UTC

Ever since the 0 button on my previous microwave wore out(nearly 10 years ago now) I haven't been using it that much, entering numbers like "3:45" for popcorn and stuff.

Although when you're cooking less than 30 seconds, you can normally notice the difference between 2 or 3 seconds.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby keithl » Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:48 pm UTC

Ah, but how many of you MODIFY your microwave oven?

My late friend Neldon Wagner modified his microwave so the turntable always made a multiple of complete 360 degree turns, even after the microwaves shut off. So when he put in his coffee cup handle-out, it ended handle-out. I asked him to create a microwave setting for "AOL CD" (anyone remember those?) which would stop the turntable and turn out the inside light so you could see the disk's light show, then keep the fan running afterwards to exhaust the burnt plastic smell, but he said this was silly.

BTW, what is the microwave setting for crisp salad? After 30 seconds, the lettuce just gets mushy, and it takes at least 5 minutes for it to get crispy again. And then it is smelly and black. How do gourmet restaurants like Mcdonald's do it?

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Jackpot777 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:54 pm UTC

RebeccaRGB wrote:My mom uses repdigits (1:11, 2:22, 3:33, 11:11, etc.) for microwave times all the time, and I think it's weird. So I'll use times like 4:22, 6:33, 11:55, etc. because I find myself copying my mom's weirdness against my will, and I might as well put a spin on it.


I do that. If you're cooking something that says "three and a half minutes", it's quicker to hit "3" three times than bother with the "0". If a cold cup of tea or coffee needs reheating, 33 or 44 seconds does the trick.

I also do this, because it hasn't killed me (yet). And I don't think we're in the minority...

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...although, in my case, it goes in for 5'55".

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Jackpot777 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:56 pm UTC

keithl wrote:Ah, but how many of you MODIFY your microwave oven?

My late friend Neldon Wagner modified his microwave so the turntable always made a multiple of complete 360 degree turns, even after the microwaves shut off. So when he put in his coffee cup handle-out, it ended handle-out. I asked him to create a microwave setting for "AOL CD" (anyone remember those?) which would stop the turntable and turn out the inside light so you could see the disk's light show, then keep the fan running afterwards to exhaust the burnt plastic smell, but he said this was silly.

BTW, what is the microwave setting for crisp salad? After 30 seconds, the lettuce just gets mushy, and it takes at least 5 minutes for it to get crispy again. And then it is smelly and black. How do gourmet restaurants like Mcdonald's do it?


Probably a lower power setting.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby password » Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:59 pm UTC

I always try to minimize the number of button pushes as well as the number of different buttons that I push. Given that, 99 seconds is one of the most common times I use (along with 66 s, 33 s, and 11 s).

That said, my new microwave has a button that adds one minute and starts with a single click (no need to press start), so now that's the button I use most often nowadays, for times of 1-4 minutes. Judging from their dirtiness level, the least-used numbers in my oven are 6, 7, and 8. But the least-used buttons overall are those that say "pizza" and stuff like that, because I just don't trust them.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby mattcoz » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:18 pm UTC

Mine automatically starts when I press a digit, so pressing 2 starts it for 2 minutes. For 1:30 I press 1 then the +30 button, or just the +30 button 3 times. The 9 button will continue to be neglected in my household.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby rmsgrey » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:21 pm UTC

Our microwave growing up had a 12 second period of revolution for the turntable, so 96 or 84 seconds got used for things with a handle...

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Wesley Foxx » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:38 pm UTC

I'm kind of amazed how many people only see/have/use analogue. I've never even seen one let alone used one. The ancient one that resides in the mini kitchen behind me here has the 10-second, 1 minute, 10 minute button thing, the one at our previous house had the standard number pad, as does our current one, though this one just adds 30 seconds at standard power each time you press the start button and adds 30 second increments at a nice pace if you hold it, so I've never had to press anything but the start button on it.

Except for "popcorn" and "less time" to shave off the extra 20 seconds or so since the machine steadfastly refuses to accept the standard microwave bag of popcorn is 3 ounces, not 3.5

God help you if you had a MINI bag of popcorn.

Edit: Oh wait, the old one also had the "add minute" button which was all you had to press 99% of the time because who buys microwave meals for use at home? I have a kitchen, if I am home and have food I will just use the toaster oven.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Felis cattus diabolicus » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:18 pm UTC

RebeccaRGB wrote:My mom uses repdigits (1:11, 2:22, 3:33, 11:11, etc.) for microwave times all the time, and I think it's weird. So I'll use times like 4:22, 6:33, 11:55, etc. because I find myself copying my mom's weirdness against my will, and I might as well put a spin on it.

Inb4 somebody using only prime numbers.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby typo » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:21 pm UTC

rmsgrey wrote:Our microwave growing up had a 12 second period of revolution for the turntable, so 96 or 84 seconds got used for things with a handle...

Where I work the turntable goes round in ten seconds (handy) but keeps rotating for another four seconds after the counter reaches zero and the radar shuts off (annoying) while the beeper beeps. I usually use it to heat something in a coffee mug, so my time settings generally end in "6". Between 36 and 66, depending on how long the coffee has been cooling.

Our previous unit had a button marked "one-touch reheat" that actually required another touch (the Start button) to work. I think it sensed steam or something.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby teelo » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:28 pm UTC

My microwave uses a knob. Yeah.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby bmonk » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:32 pm UTC

mikrit wrote:The poor number 9 is underused as the leading digit of almost any measurement.

Unfair! Cancel Benford's law!

Then, in honor of fairness, it should be used the most often as the trailing digit, as is only right.

Microwaves without the ability to change the second digit should be arbitrarily set to use :_9 seconds as their setting.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby HarvesteR » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:49 pm UTC

I bought a microwave with a knob instead of buttons, largely because of this.

Not kidding.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby speising » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:03 pm UTC

i finally created an account, just to say that i am of the firm conviction that the only sensible microwave UI consists of exactly 2 (two) analog knobs. i need only a twirl of the timer knob to set and start any arbitrary time. sure, its not exact to the second, but that is not a problem if you don't have aspergers.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby FrederikVds » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:11 pm UTC

I think I have the only microwave oven that makes sense. It has four buttons: two to adjust the power, start and stop. When you press start, it starts going for 10 seconds or so. When you press it again, it adds 20 seconds. It keeps doing this with exponentially longer times for each press. The time difference between two presses is just large enough to not be trivial, but small enough to be precise enough for any kind of food. So when you want to cook something, you just bash the start button until roughly the right time is on the display. While you're setting the time, it's already going, for maximum efficiency. It's all I need from a microwave oven. It frees me from having to think about trivial decisions like the last digit. All microwave ovens should be like this.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Gigs » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:28 pm UTC

Related trivia: The "weird" values of standard resistors were chosen so that the error gaps would be minimized given the tolerances of the resistors.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby password » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:31 pm UTC

I never use the power settings, but I guess they are OK to have.

When I lived in Europe, the microwave had a knob for the time and I thought that was great.

Really, all you need is the knob for the time. You don't even need a power off button: you just turn the knob to zero, or even open the door.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Essah » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:55 pm UTC

I swear this has got to be one of the few times in the history of online discussion boards that microwave timings have been discussed to such an extend... I am impressed.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Eutychus » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:57 pm UTC

This comic makes much more sense now that I've discovered the text underneath the panel.

Well, a bit more sense, anyway.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby SomeGuyNamedDavid » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:59 pm UTC

FormicaArchonis wrote:
Dopefish wrote:but that poor 1 second button must be incredably underused now that I think about it.

Not surprising. How many things go from under- to overcooked in less than ten seconds?

BUTTER. Oh, the odd serieses (series-es? series's?) of single-digit microwave times I've had to enter to get butter soft enough to spread without being melted all over the microwave...

Have to flip the butter between micro-microwavings too, or else it'll only be right on one side.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Felis cattus diabolicus » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:01 pm UTC

HarvesteR wrote:I bought a microwave with a knob instead of buttons, largely because of this.

I have a knob microwave too, though with no reason.

What drives me crazy is that it goes straight from 0, 1, 2, … up to 10, then switches the timescale so it looks like: … - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 - 50 - 60.
How the hell is that done? Bending of the spacetime?
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby speising » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:04 pm UTC

Felis cattus diabolicus wrote:
HarvesteR wrote:I bought a microwave with a knob instead of buttons, largely because of this.

I have a knob microwave too, though with no reason.

What drives me crazy is that it goes straight from 0, 1, 2, … up to 10, then switches the timescale so it looks like: … - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 - 50 - 60.
How the hell is that done? Bending of the spacetime?


i had one like that too. i always thought of it as a kind of logarithmic scale.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby flicky1991 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:07 pm UTC

Felis cattus diabolicus wrote:How the hell is that done? Bending of the spacetime?

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby hetas » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:24 pm UTC

I hate that lcd-display-keypad-or-press-multiple-times-to-increment-value-beebs-on-keypress-crap. My microwave-oven has two large rotary-dials. One sets the power other sets the timer. Rotate and your done.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Lode » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:24 pm UTC

Microwaves with buttons have a horrible user interface imho.

I prefer one dial for time, one for watts.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby da Doctah » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:16 pm UTC

Felis cattus diabolicus wrote:What drives me crazy is that it goes straight from 0, 1, 2, … up to 10, then switches the timescale so it looks like: … - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 - 50 - 60.
How the hell is that done? Bending of the spacetime?

Count yourself lucky it's not marked in binary multiples.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby db3124mint » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:25 pm UTC

I frequently use the 9 button because instead of hitting 1-3-0 for 1 minute and 30 secs, I use 9-0 for 90 seconds so I don't have to waste energy hitting an extra button.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby x86 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:17 pm UTC

Felis cattus diabolicus wrote:What drives me crazy is that it goes straight from 0, 1, 2, … up to 10, then switches the timescale so it looks like: … - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 - 50 - 60.
How the hell is that done? Bending of the spacetime?


Mine is even better. Rotating the knob, on each "notch" it increments by :10 up to 5:00 Minutes. Then it starts incrementing by :30, e.g. 5:00, 5:30, 6:00 etc.

Then, from 10:00 Minutes on, it increments in whole Minutes, e.g. 10:00, 11:00 etc.

Then from 30 Minutes on, it even increments in 5 Minute steps, e.g. 30:00, 35:00 etc. up to 95:00, which is maximum. If I turn it one more notch to the right, it starts with :10 again. The other way round, it also goes from 0:10 to 95:00 when just turning it one notch to the left immediately after selecting the power.

Yes, spacetime is kind of bended. ;)

PS: Regarding my alarm clock, I can only set it to times like 07:42 or 06:23. Somewhat limits me, but minutes can only be 23 or 42. Can't do anything about it... ;)

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Felis cattus diabolicus » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:30 pm UTC

x86 wrote:PS: Regarding my alarm clock, I can only set it to times like 07:42 or 06:23. Somewhat limits me, but minutes can only be 23 or 42. Can't do anything about it... ;)

It's kinda broken. It should also permit 4, 8, 15 and 16.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby radicalbit » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:59 pm UTC

password wrote:Really, all you need is the knob for the time. You don't even need a power off button: you just turn the knob to zero, or even open the door.


It makes too much sense. And weren't older microwaves generally knob-based as well? I have to imagine the "ooh! buttons! fun!" phase hit the microwave industry, and they never managed to reevaluate.

The buttons also tend to have very load beeps.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby bmonk » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:10 pm UTC

x86 wrote:
Felis cattus diabolicus wrote:What drives me crazy is that it goes straight from 0, 1, 2, … up to 10, then switches the timescale so it looks like: … - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 - 50 - 60.
How the hell is that done? Bending of the spacetime?


. . .

Yes, spacetime is kind of bended. ;)


Not so much bended as stair-stepped? It keeps going the same direction, but in quantum jumps of unequal value.

Just be glad they didn't use the spectrum of, say, Gold+14 to get the size of jumps.
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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby jonadab » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:22 pm UTC

Just one spin of the dial for me regardless of duration, analog for the win!

Yes, and I'm amazed everyone in here has buttons. I can't remember when I last saw a microwave with buttons. Even the modern high-tech microwave at my parents' has a dial (with a digital display showing the time).

Same here. It must be a geographical thing.


Must be.

I live in the Midwest, and I've only ever seen one microwave that had a dial. This was at least fifteen years ago, and the microwave in question must have been at least fifteen years old at the time. It was so low-power you couldn't use it for microwave popcorn. (The wattage was so low, the kernels eventually started to smoke, but most of them never popped. At best you could get maybe a third of a bag of unpleasantly burned-tasting popcorn with a whole lot of kernels in it.)

Where do you people live who have dial microwaves? Europe?

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby Daggertrout » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:34 pm UTC

My microwave, hitting the Start button without entering a time automatically sets it off for one minute.

I absolutely loath the ones where the 1-6 keys will start it for that many minutes when pressed without first hitting the "cook time" button.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby AvatarIII » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:38 pm UTC

Yeah, I'm in the UK, but my microwave was really cheap, it's 900 W and cost about £40 about 6 years ago, it doesn't have a door button either, you just pull to open. no screen either, just really low tech. You can get more expensive ones with digital dials, but dials are pretty common all around.

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Re: 1103: "Nine"

Postby flicky1991 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:00 pm UTC

jonadab wrote:Where do you people live who have dial microwaves? Europe?

Yep, I'm British. I've only seen microwaves with buttons on American TV shows.
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